China universities 'must shun Western values'

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  1. Ray

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    It is too late for the Communist to wake up and asl universities to shun western values.

    The Chinese, especially the young Chinese, have been enmeshed in the western values that are more free wheeling than the Oriental norms which are more society and family loyalty and respect oriented and hence more strait-laced. Further, add to that the Communist regimen, it can be real suffocating.

    There will come a time when it will be the Communist Party that will have to change.

    the Chinese society has already been turned on its head. Too late to revert it to the earlier ways.
     
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    China media: Anger over MH370 'accident' declaration

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    Papers say many families are angry over Malaysia's announcement

    Papers say the families of the passengers of the missing flight MH370 are angry and want Malaysia to "honour its promise" of finding the plane.

    No trace of the Beijing-bound aircraft has been found since it disappeared on 8 March 2014.

    The Malaysian government on Thursday officially declared the disappearance of the flight an accident and said there were no survivors.

    Officials say that the recovery operation is ongoing but that the 239 people, including 153 Chinese nationals, onboard are now presumed dead.

    The declaration on Thursday should allow compensation payments to relatives of the victims.

    Most Chinese-language dailies have reported Malaysia's announcement, while focussing on the compensation procedure.

    The English-language dailies, however, have taken note of the "angry" responses from the families of the victims.

    According to the Global Times, the family members "were angry about the declaration, requesting the Malaysian Embassy staff [in Beijing] at the scene to provide more facts".

    Making no mention of the anger, the People's Daily says that China has put in efforts to find the plane, and stresses that the "search for the countrymen will continue".

    "In the vast ocean of misty waters, the country will continue to put in 100% efforts even if there was just a glimmer of hope," says the descriptive editorial.

    The flagship paper under the Communist Party adds that the incident has proved that China is a "responsible nation on the rise".

    "Declaring the incident as an accident does not mean the search has been called off. China will continue to co-operate with other countries to search and investigate… More than 150 countrymen are still missing, we have not forgotten them," says the paper.

    Echoing similar sentiments, the Xinhua news agency states that "the quest for the missing plane should not stop".

    Urging the Malaysian government to "honour its promises" to continue the hunt for the wreckage, the state-run media adds that the families of the passengers and crew members on board the plane "still deserve an answer".

    "Even Malaysia Airlines, which suffered a series of setbacks and boycotts after the accident, needs to strive to prove that its planes are still safe," says the news agency.

    'No grumbling' in classrooms
    Elsewhere, teachers have been sternly warned against "badmouthing" state leaders in front of the students.

    Yuan Guiren, the education minister, said on Thursday that teachers should "defend the political, legal and moral systems," the Xinhua reports.

    "We must forbid materials that spread Western values from entering our classrooms. We must also not allow any speech attacking the leaders, smearing socialism, and going against the constitution and law in the classrooms," the minister warns.

    He adds that teachers "should not grumble, air their grievances and spread their negative emotions among their students".

    Earlier media reports suggested that some university professors were "being scornful of China".

    Backing the minister, a commentary in the Liberation Daily highlights that political parties have also "infiltrated" the "the so-called free and independent universities in the West".

    "In some schools, the lecture halls are not treated as venues to spread knowledge. Instead, they have become the place for teachers to grumble," it comments.

    BBC News - China media: Anger over MH370 'accident' declaration
     
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    I remember twenty years ago when Chinese economic boom gained speed, Europeans feared that the world will be Chinese. People saw in their mind everybody wearing Mao cap and jacket. It turned out that it was the other way round: Chinese wamted to be like Europeans, no room for Mao attire. Is it now once again changing?
     
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    I don't think that the Chinese can change from their new found identity of chasing western values and norms and way of life.

    It is too late.

    All this call by the Communist leaders is an indication of growing fear that they are losing their iron fisted control over the Chinese populace.

    Their fear speaks.
     
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    its the opposite, the current chinese are even more nationalism than before, and most approve CCP, because CCP did bring economic changes. I could see CCP has political change in the future if majority of chinese reach middle class, demand more political freedom. But right now, talking to chinese here in US, and other place on forum, they approve CCP.
     
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    The Chinese approve the CCP because of their psyche honed in their culture by the Philosophy of Legalism.

    But the Chinese are no longer confined to the ideas in China any more, as they might have been in earlier times.

    They have been exposed to the forbidden fruit of capitalism and free thought, and more importantly, the importance of free-wheeling individualism (as in the West) over the orthodox Oriental mindset of the Society above Individual.

    The economic inequality also rankles the common Chinese, especially those who come from the poorer regions of the North and the West.

    China is in a political, economic and social churn and each one wants his piece of the apple pie.

    Xi's campaign against corruption and hitting those at high places is a way the CCP is distracting the populace from brooding over the inequalities they face and give them hope that some sincere action is being done to those who have made hay while the sun shone and took away the piece of the apple pie that should have been shared.

    if there were no issue and all believed in the CCP, then why should the Education Minister want the Chinese to shun 'western values'?

    Obviously, the 'western values' are replacing the 'Chinese values' alarmingly fast to cause the CCP to get worried.

    I would be surprised if the Minister was a loon, talking through his hat.
     
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    Well Chinese lost most of their cultural values during cultural revolution of Mao Zedong. If you compare them with Taiwanese, Hongkongers, you will notice a great difference.
     
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    most chinese today care more about making money, materialism rather than political freedom, they only care political freedom after majority are in good economic shape.

    china never lost culture values, they still embrace all the traditional chinese holiday, academic driven, etc etc all they embrace is materialism.
     
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    Legalism is saving the CCP.

    Celebrating Chinese holidays and festival is a part of having a good time.

    The West celebrates Christmas, which is actually a pagan festival.

    Pagan Roots? 5 Surprising Facts About Christmas
     
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    Not all, the most pervasive, well-known, prominent authentic Chinese value that Chinese everywhere around the World practices until now is "materialism" or to be more exact pursuit of wealth and status. This is not a Western idea, this is an authentic Chinese value.

    I know this because I know a lot of ethnic Chinese and they all share the same thirst for wealth and status. Like if you want to court an ethnic Chinese girl. The first thing that her family will look for in you is the wealth of your family or your personal wealth. They will ask your degree, where you are studying or working, your car, your address, they are so obsessed with wealth.
     
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    Isn't that a universal "value"? Don't tell me that in Malaysia a lower middle-class struggler can aspire to court an educated corporate female!

    In India also, a person who isn't doing well in life won't get good girls. Of course, in India there are other factors also like community, language, etc. - but even if all other factors match, the guy will be rejected outright if he is not well-settled.

    I would call this a universal phenomenon.
     
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    @asianobserve.......As a former Malaysian who grew up in a predominantly Chinese environment - I can second your opinion.
    The Chinese have only one religion - its called money, wealth, status, and power. But to be fair the more Western educated Chinese are not so one dimensional.

    The worst part of Chinese culture that I observed is the lack of ethics or morals. Their best side is their competitiveness and ability to outwork anyone.
     
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    Ethnic Chinese seem to place more emphasis on wealth than ethnic Malays. That's based on my experience.
     
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    The article did not specify what "Western values" does the Chinese Education Minister refer to. But if the Chinese Education Minister refer to the pursuit for "individual freedom" then I think he should also reconsider the current Chinese political system, which is a Western idea. Is he also considering of returning to the monarchic system of imperial times?
     
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    Communism as an ideology came from the West. So-called "Western values" are universal values.
     
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    Lol name one country citizen doesn't want wealth As for ethnic every developing country is like that
     
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    A few questions, please.

    1. What is materialism? I'm not sure I have a concrete definition for that. So for example, if you reject a girl because she's ugly (instead of wealth), would that be materialism too?

    2. You said that ethnic chinis seem to place more emphasis on wealth. With what unit are you measuring this "materialism" so as to compare it with other ethnic groups?

    3. Also how do countries like Qatar, Dubai, S. Korea, Amerika etc compare using those measurements you made for "materialism"?
    Can you post the values of those countries wrt "materialism" in the unit you used earlier? Thanks.

    I guess that's why they call it "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" or something like that.
     
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    Materialism is giving more emphasis on material possession.


    Yes.


    Chinese are a different breed when it comes to pursuit of wealth.


    Chinese communist system was originally intended to be an implementation of Marxism. The only part injected there by Mao was reversing the flow of the revolutionary movement. The original MArxist theory invisions the spread of communist revolution from cities or urban areas (industrial areas) to the countryside. Mao, due to necessity (he was kept out of major Chinese urban centers by Chiang for so long) came up with his own reverse flow of revolutionary movement - from the countryside to the cities. This is the only major thing added to the original Marxist idea.

    China now is a hybrid of Marxist political control and Wild West Capitalism, both are Western ideas/concepts.
     
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    There is a difference between wanting wealth for progress and GREED that makes it an obsession without any morals and fellow feeling or societal concerns.
     
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    Tell that to Wall Street and all the scammers in developing world
     

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