China tops the world in number of new Navy ship launched in 2012

[cinoti]

Type 071 LST , the fourth hull was enlisted into PLAN.
Besides LSTs , China is building its new 40000 tonne class amphibious assault ships.

054 As in anti-pirate mission

Conventional subs in rescue mission

New equipment were test on research platforms.

New weapons were used on older platforms to enhance performance

 

[cinoti]

054As
during 2012, China lauched 15 hulls that surpassed 1K tonne displacement, including, two supply ship, three 054A missile frigates, seven 056 fast speed light frigates,
one 052C DDG and two 052D DDGs.

The seventh hull of type 056 under sea trial

 

[Armand2REP]

So many phantom ships and the worlds oceans still don't see them.

 

[Impluseblade]

Good morning, Anand.

So many phantom ships and the worlds oceans still don't see them.

 

[satish007]

So many phantom ships and the worlds oceans still don't see them.

Anand, you need to renew knowledage, don't just focus on Chinese women, these ships call stealth ships and France is providing nuclear power for Chinese first nuclear AV.

 

[Armand2REP]

Good morning, Anand.

who is that? should i call you ku-li?

 

[Ray]

Given the long coastline, superpower ambitions and unquenchable territorial quest, it is not surprising that China is producing ships at breakneck speed.

In fact, the production rate require greater acceleration to keep up to the national aim.

 

[DivineHeretic]

Given the long coastline, superpower ambitions and unquenchable territorial quest, it is not surprising that China is producing ships at breakneck speed.

In fact, the production rate require greater acceleration to keep up to the national aim.

True that, but what is important to consider is that the the PLAN is not just replacing its antiquated fleet with new platforms, but in the process is also enhancing its capability manifold. The most important development IMHO is that of the LHDs that PLAN is preparing to induct. This indicates that the PLAN has now enough confidence in the AAW capability of the Plan surface fleet and that of the airwing of plan. Simultaneously the the subsurface fleet must be going upgradation as well.
Very troubling if you are in SCS,i'd like to think.
Whats your take on this new found confidence of the policy plannery of PLAN? Is there something they are hiding?

 

[Ray]

True that, but what is important to consider is that the the PLAN is not just replacing its antiquated fleet with new platforms, but in the process is also enhancing its capability manifold. The most important development IMHO is that of the LHDs that PLAN is preparing to induct. This indicates that the PLAN has now enough confidence in the AAW capability of the Plan surface fleet and that of the airwing of plan. Simultaneously the the subsurface fleet must be going upgradation as well.
Very troubling if you are in SCS,i'd like to think.
Whats your take on this new found confidence of the policy plannery of PLAN? Is there something they are hiding?

The replacement of the old tubs adds to the urgency to refurbish the Navy with new ones and also add more to translate their national aim.

 

[DivineHeretic]

Is it possible that they are moving from a strategy of sea denial to one of sea control? Maybe not now, but sometime in the near future they will amass sufficient capability

 

[Armand2REP]

True that, but what is important to consider is that the the PLAN is not just replacing its antiquated fleet with new platforms, but in the process is also enhancing its capability manifold. The most important development IMHO is that of the LHDs that PLAN is preparing to induct. This indicates that the PLAN has now enough confidence in the AAW capability of the Plan surface fleet and that of the airwing of plan. Simultaneously the the subsurface fleet must be going upgradation as well.
Very troubling if you are in SCS,i'd like to think.
Whats your take on this new found confidence of the policy plannery of PLAN? Is there something they are hiding?

I can't vouch for PLAN's confidence in its AAW, but I do know that it is highly inadequate to face the threat of sea skimming missiles. Even Russian ships armed with the venerable S-300 Rif have an impressive suite of point defence SAMs. Peter the Great has 500 SAMs on it, 402 not counting the S-300. Why is that? Because it sucks engaging sea skimming targets. Buk-M1 is better at it, but still not up to the challenge of today's current threats. PLAN ships have 1st gen Crotale which as we found out, does not do well even against Exocet requiring us to upgrade to NG in the late 90s. They cloned Goalkeeper which was fine for its day, but it isn't going to keep up with highly maneuverable missiles or mass attack. If a PLAN fleet engaged a Brahmos equipped squadron, they would be decimated.

 

[ice berg]

I can't vouch for PLAN's confidence in its AAW, but I do know that it is highly inadequate to face the threat of sea skimming missiles. Even Russian ships armed with the venerable S-300 Rif have an impressive suite of point defence SAMs. Peter the Great has 500 SAMs on it, 402 not counting the S-300. Why is that? Because it sucks engaging sea skimming targets. Buk-M1 is better at it, but still not up to the challenge of today's current threats. PLAN ships have 1st gen Crotale which as we found out, does not do well even against Exocet requiring us to upgrade to NG in the late 90s. They cloned Goalkeeper which was fine for its day, but it isn't going to keep up with highly maneuverable missiles or mass attack. If a PLAN fleet engaged a Brahmos equipped squadron, they would be decimated.

Try not to misread people with your fantasies. PLAN has HQ-16 to defend against sea skimming missiles. As well as CIWS and FL-3000N.

China never had access to the Goalkeeper to begin with. Judging a platform solely on the look is plain stupid. Then again you have never been bright to begin with.
Even trolling is an art. You are doing a rather bad job at that.

 

[badguy2000]

Given the long coastline, superpower ambitions and unquenchable territorial quest, it is not surprising that China is producing ships at breakneck speed.

In fact, the production rate require greater acceleration to keep up to the national aim.

well, many countries have superpower ambitions too,but only CHina has both ambitions and enough industry capacity,except USA>

 

[DivineHeretic]

The problem for PLAN IMHO is that due to the presence of three very formidable naval powers in close proximity to the chinese mainland, coupled with the fact that two of the opponents alone has more MPAs than the PlAAF/PLAN, they are effectively boxed into a small area over which they can exert true dominance,despite having an impressive armada. Another problem that the PLAN faces is that the USN, Japanese navy fleet can if they really commit their surveillance aircraft, track the PLAN sub fleet as they enter and exit their home ports, so in theory they could track the position of the sub fleet....not a great position to be in.
They really need the control over the SCS and the contested islands.

 

[Armand2REP]

Try not to misread people with your fantasies. PLAN has HQ-16 to defend against sea skimming missiles. As well as CIWS and FL-3000N.

Don't fool yourself, HQ-16 has already been addressed. It is a license produced Buk. FL-3000N is just a single track launch mount. It isn't fire and forget like RAM.

China never had access to the Goalkeeper to begin with. Judging a platform solely on the look is plain stupid. Then again you have never been bright to begin with.

Of course China had access to Goalkeeper technology. We sold it to you in the version called SAMOS which we evaluated and rejected. The prototype pics of 730 reveal Sagem and Thales kit directing it.

Even trolling is an art. You are doing a rather bad job at that.

Glad to hear it. Trolling is what you do, not I.

 

[ice berg]

Don't fool yourself, HQ-16 has already been addressed. It is a license produced Buk. FL-3000N is just a single track launch mount. It isn't fire and forget like RAM.



Of course China had access to Goalkeeper technology. We sold it to you in the version called SAMOS which we evaluated and rejected. The prototype pics of 730 reveal Sagem and Thales kit directing it.



Glad to hear it. Trolling is what you do, not I.

HQ-16 is licenced Buk? Only in your fantasy. Dont read too much wiki sources.

The HQ-16 SAM project is a joint Sino-Russia development based on the Buk-M1 system started in 2005 to address the PLA's low-to-medium air defense needs. It is generally referred as a "General Purpose, Third Generation, Low-Mid Attitude, Guided Missile system" in China with a possible code name of Project 0910. The product version, HQ-16A, has a set of improved radars compare to its Russian counter part, an all digital electronic fire control system with a semi-active radar-homing seeker.

The first HQ-16 entered service on January 29th 2008 when the first Type 054A II-class Frigate Xuzhou was commissioned. In naval service, it has a 1x32-cell VLS configuration and guided by a set of four Russian based MR090 Front Dome SAM Fire control radar operating at C/X-band



Until you provide any source for your fantasies, I will treat it as the gabbage it is.

The FL-3000N ('Feibao') short range air defence system was first displayed at the 2008 Zhuhai Air Show and has been developed by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC). It is a ship self-defence weapon designed particularly to counter saturation attacks. The system employs both passive Radio Frequency (RF) and Imaging Infra-Red (IIR) guidance and is a fire and forget weapon.
http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Naval-Weapon-Systems/FL-3000N-China.html

Only a troll will come with baseless claims with no sources. That is you, Arnand.

 

[ice berg]

The problem for PLAN IMHO is that due to the presence of three very formidable naval powers in close proximity to the chinese mainland, coupled with the fact that two of the opponents alone has more MPAs than the PlAAF/PLAN, they are effectively boxed into a small area over which they can exert true dominance,despite having an impressive armada. Another problem that the PLAN faces is that the USN, Japanese navy fleet can if they really commit their surveillance aircraft, track the PLAN sub fleet as they enter and exit their home ports, so in theory they could track the position of the sub fleet....not a great position to be in.
They really need the control over the SCS and the contested islands.

There are two areas PLAN is working on. AAW and ASW. Now that AAW is reaching a certain stage the focus will switch to ASW. They are already starting to induct more MPAs. It will be harder in future for Japan or USN to track chinese subs in chinese water. China will need probably at least 20-30 years to reach a certain parity with Japan in conventional subs. You notice Japan just recently expanded their sub fleet.

 

[cinoti]

New Supply and Replenishment Ship

two new hulls launched in 2012

 

[Armand2REP]

HQ-16 is licenced Buk? Only in your fantasy. Dont read too much wiki sources.

The HQ-16 SAM project is a joint Sino-Russia development based on the Buk-M1 system started in 2005 to address the PLA's low-to-medium air defense needs. It is generally referred as a "General Purpose, Third Generation, Low-Mid Attitude, Guided Missile system" in China with a possible code name of Project 0910. The product version, HQ-16A, has a set of improved radars compare to its Russian counter part, an all digital electronic fire control system with a semi-active radar-homing seeker.

The first HQ-16 entered service on January 29th 2008 when the first Type 054A II-class Frigate Xuzhou was commissioned. In naval service, it has a 1x32-cell VLS configuration and guided by a set of four Russian based MR090 Front Dome SAM Fire control radar operating at C/X-band

There is Fregat radar and Shtil missiles... if it looks like a Russian, drinks like a Russian and confirmed by Russia... it ain't Chinese.

Until you provide any source for your fantasies, I will treat it as the gabbage it is.

And I will treat you like the cabbage you are.

 

[desicanuk]

well, many countries have superpower ambitions too,but only CHina has both ambitions and enough industry capacity,except USA>

Nothing wrong to have superpower ambitions.It is healthy.However a country with fascist tendencies reminiscent of pre-1939 Germany is dangerous business.PRC leadership has chosen the path that will inevitably lead to the third world war.PRC with allies Pakistan,and North Korea against Japan allied with India,Vietnam etc.I hope I am wrong.