China to be surrounded by US stealth jets by 2017

[ice berg]

Europe cannot really do much since their Navies are not large enough to make forays into Asia.

Further, when the US is adequate to contain the situation, why should they act, more so, since their economy is not in the pinkest?

The issue with the US is not to attack China, but just to contain it.

The US has the control of the Pacific and also the waters around China, as was observed with the various naval exercises to include one with their erstwhile enemy, Vietnam!

Now with Japan biting at the bit and converting from pacifism to activism, things are hotting up in so far as the competition for supremacy is concerned.

Not a pleasant situation,but nonetheless a reality!

You still dont get it, do you? The rise of China is closely correlated with the economic growth.
How do you contain China by stationing fighters around her?

Chinas clout is based on her economy, not her military strength. No amount of fighters stationed there will change this fact.

 

[JBH22]

You still dont get it, do you? The rise of China is closely correlated with the economic growth.
How do you contain China by stationing fighters around her?

Chinas clout is based on her economy, not her military strength. No amount of fighters stationed there will change this fact.

Well China on its own to become a superpower need to have allies for that you need a story to sell to people so that they can aspire to join you.

Instead USA is using media and spreading hysteria among China neighbours about its "aggressiveness" thereby creating a coalition of non-friendly if not hostile states.

US is not there to stop you from growing but to contain your growth remember how they cornered USSR by demonising it.

 

[cinoti]

Well China on its own to become a superpower need to have allies for that you need a story to sell to people so that they can aspire to join you.

Instead USA is using media and spreading hysteria among China neighbours about its "aggressiveness" thereby creating a coalition of non-friendly if not hostile states.

US is not there to stop you from growing but to contain your growth remember how they cornered USSR by demonising it.

You won't understand the loneliness of being No.2. as the Russians pertinently put, our allies are our army, navy, air force, and second artillery.

 

[JBH22]

You won't understand the loneliness of being No.2. as the Russians pertinently put, our allies are our army, navy, air force, and second artillery.

You cannot survive on strength of arms at the end of day you will need allies.

 

[cinoti]

You cannot survive on strength of arms at the end of day you will need allies.

Allies will be made into, not need into.

 

[JBH22]

Allies will be made into, not need into.

Allies dependent on you will suck your money and most importantly they switch allegiance quickly

See USSR it pumped billions to buy the allegiance of puppet regimes but in the end it did not serve any purpose.

 

[cinoti]

Allies dependent on you will suck your money and most importantly they switch allegiance quickly

See USSR it pumped billions to buy the allegiance of puppet regimes but in the end it did not serve any purpose.

Very true indeed. in a jungle, you have scavengers to share your meal, but you barely find co-hunters to hunt with you except your own kind.
Once America weakens its current allies will bite back like the former east blocks did to ussr.

 

[JBH22]

Very true indeed. in a jungle, you have scavengers to share your meal, but you barely find co-hunters to hunt with you except your own kind.
Once America weakens its current allies will bite back like the former east blocks did to ussr.

It all depends if you USA crumble note that unlike USSR,the west works in close cooperation ranging from economic to military.

In addition US allies encompass most developed economy like Japan,South Korea,EU and if the Chinese become Number 1 what can it do if it cannot project its power outside its own territory.

 

[cinoti]

It all depends if you USA crumble note that unlike USSR,the west works in close cooperation ranging from economic to military.

In addition US allies encompass most developed economy like Japan,South Korea,EU and if the Chinese become Number 1 what can it do if it cannot project its power outside its own territory.

Well tell me, does india have allies? or simply be made into an ally of some stronger countries? if you think through this question, you won't be so confused as you are now.

 

[JBH22]

Well tell me, does india have allies? or simply be made into an ally of some stronger countries? if you think through this question, you won't be so confused as you are now.

India is not in the same yard that China is trying to play our economy,army doesn't match but your country is aiming for global power status.

A deserving place for China given that this nation worked hard to reach this position but its a fact that you cannot claim to be global power while at same time being isolated at the international level.

You have the west closely cooperating at all levels with whom can China stack up?
Is it Pakistan,Sri lanka or Bangladesh all of them are leechers who need only economic and military aid..

 

[ice berg]

Well China on its own to become a superpower need to have allies for that you need a story to sell to people so that they can aspire to join you.

Instead USA is using media and spreading hysteria among China neighbours about its "aggressiveness" thereby creating a coalition of non-friendly if not hostile states.

US is not there to stop you from growing but to contain your growth remember how they cornered USSR by demonising it.

You are not answering the question. How do you "contain" China by creating a military alliance when the strength of China is solely economy based?
China is not yet a military superpower by a long shot.

And a comparison of China vs USSR is complete irrelevant. USSR was a military superpower, China is not.

The strategy used against USSR may be useless against China.

FDI is still coming to China regardless of how many stealth fighters US is stationing. That is my point.

 

[JBH22]

You are not answering the question. How do you "contain" China by creating a military alliance when the strength of China is solely economy based?
China is not yet a military superpower by a long shot.

And a comparison of China vs USSR is complete irrelevant. USSR was a military superpower, China is not.

The strategy used against USSR may be useless against China.

FDI is still coming to China regardless of how many stealth fighters US is stationing. That is my point.

I never alluded that China growth is going to be shot down or whatever.

China is making great strides to become a fully developed state and credit has to be given

Containment of China by forging alliances will be keep china spreading its forces and most importantly a hostile neighbourhood is not good for business.

 

[Ray]

You still dont get it, do you? The rise of China is closely correlated with the economic growth.
How do you contain China by stationing fighters around her?

Chinas clout is based on her economy, not her military strength. No amount of fighters stationed there will change this fact.

Of course not military strength.

That is so obvious.

China's military is eons away from matching the US.

You still have not got that?

 

[hello_10]

all would follow this trend, true.........
sir, I dont think China would wish to bring down US's economy until 2015 at least, with whatever capabilities they have, as right now their Export to GDP level is very high, around 28%. they are trying to build home demands for the products they export to US+EU, and also to shift a part of this export business to Africa, and also to Asia+South America which requires at least 2-3 years more. hence, any trouble in external market would badly affect those who are more dependent on external demands and China is on top position in this regard. my last reply was just to state that a war is war, regardless how much $1.1trillions holding may affect a $15.5trillion economy :thumb:



sir, when I been to Australia+EU in 2002, it was said that Chinese products are cheap, in terms of price and quality both. but now there are only Chinese products in market, whether cheap or expansive. you may buy a similar type of Chinese TV for the price around $400 which would cost at least $1,200+ if you wish a Japanese ones, just little compromise of quality is required now. the concept that an inferior race like Chinese can't have high techs is gone and now China has covered a big market of world and switching to export business of High Tech products also, and they do have Price based Competitive Advantage in this regard. and if China will ever be successful in what they want to achieve in world, owing high tech products and most powerful military etc, then it would suddenly broke down CAD of US+EU. as, how will they maintain earning through export this way? have a look, right now energy is the biggest exporting item of US to maintain CAD, did you ever think this in 90s?????

there can't be friendship between Lions and Goats, and we only have to wait for few years to find out, who are Lions and who are goats..... even on the religious ground, dont we know, how Buddhists of Tibet burn themselves as they dont want to lose their Tibetan Culture to Chinese? while we also have news about continuous drone attacks on Afghans and parallel efforts to convert them into Christianity??? China and US/West can only be enemies of each others



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in fact, we hope soon US will compete its friends like Saudi Arabia in Oil/Gas Export business to maintain food supply for its civilians :thumb:

U.S. oil production to jump 25 percent by 2014

U.S. crude oil production is expected to rise by the largest amount on record in 2013, the Energy Information Administration said on Tuesday, and is set to soar by almost a quarter over the next two years.

The EIA, the independent statistical arm of the Department of Energy, said U.S. crude oil production would grow by 900,000 barrels per day (bpd) in 2013 to 7.3 million bpd. The agency's forecast in the monthly Short-Term Energy Outlook is 300,000 bpd higher than its estimate in December.

While the rate of increase is seen slowing slightly in 2014 to 600,000 bpd, the total jump in U.S. oil production to 7.9 million bpd would be up 23 percent from the 6.4 million bpd pumped domestically in 2012.

The rapid increase underscores how improvements in horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technology -- commonly referred to as 'fracking' -- have transformed the United States energy market in the last five years, allowing producers to tap shale oil from tight rock formations.

The latest forecast from the EIA is the first to include 2014.

If the agency's projections prove accurate, U.S. crude oil production will have risen by a massive 40 percent between 2011 and 2014. It will be almost 50 percent higher than at the beginning of the decade, bolstering the argument of those who say North America could be energy independent by the end of the decade. :us:

Adam Sieminski, administrator of the EIA, said that as output in North Dakota's Bakken formation and Texas's Eagle Ford fields has risen sharply over the past 12 months, U.S. producers were becoming even more prolific

"The learning curve in the Bakken and Eagle Ford fields, which is where the biggest part of this increase is coming from, has been pretty steep," Sieminski said.

While he cautioned that the long-term outlook beyond 2020 suggested production from shale fields in the United States may plateau, he said it was possible analysts were still underestimating the potential of U.S. shale oil output in the short-term.

The EIA said in the forecast that the rise in U.S. output would contribute to a well supplied market over the next two years. The agency said that international Brent crude oil prices would fall slightly in 2013 to around $105 (65.42 pounds) a barrel on average from just under $112 last year, before falling to $99 a barrel in 2014.

U.S. benchmark West Texas Intermediate is seen averaging $89 a barrel in 2013 and $91 a barrel in 2014.

GLOBAL SUPPLY AND DEMAND

Global oil demand is forecast to rise by 900,000 bpd in 2013 to 90.1 million bpd led by fast-developing countries like China and India and is seen rising by a further 1.4 million bpd in 2014, the EIA said.

Indeed, in 2014, developing countries are seen making up more than 50 percent of total global oil demand for the first time, surpassing the consumption of countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

World oil supply is seen surpassing demand growth over the next two years, however, forcing the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) to curb production, the EIA said.

Non-OPEC production is forecast to increase by 1.4 million bpd in 2013 and by 1.3 million bpd in 2014, the EIA said, though the agency warned there are "considerable risks" to the forecast due to the rapid pace of the evolution of the North American oil industry and geopolitical threats to supplies.

The EIA said OPEC would continue to pump more than 30 million bpd to help meet demand, but said it would likely curtail production by about 600,000 bpd this year led by group kingpin Saudi Arabia, to help balance the market and support prices.

(Reporting By David Sheppard and Joshua Schneyer; Editing by Maureen Bavdek, Grant McCool and Bob Burgdorfer)

U.S. oil production to jump 25 percent by 2014 - EIA | Reuters

Industry lobbies U.S. for more natural-gas exports

The U.S. Energy Department is considering whether to approve requests from 15 companies to begin exporting LNG to countries that don't have free-trade agreements with the United States, such as China, Japan, India and Germany.

Industry lobbies U.S. for more natural-gas exports - Philly.com