China to be surrounded by US stealth jets by 2017

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  1. Ray

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    China to be surrounded by US stealth jets by 2017

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    The United States’ presence in the Asia-Pacific is about to be much more impressive: by 2017, the US is expected to have all but surrounded China, its number one economic rival, with fleets of the most advanced stealth warplanes in the world.

    According to recent reports from some of the Pentagon’s top-brass, Uncle Sam will be essentially surrounding the United States’ top competitor in only five years’ time. By 2017, the Air Force’s F-22s and B-2s, as well as a fleet of the Marine Corps’ F-35, will all be deployed east.

    News of the long-term plan stems from a report by Wired’s David Axe this week, who notes that several recent interviews with Defense Department officials suggest that the Obama administration’s “strategic pivot” plan in Asia announced earlier this year hasn’t been ignored just yet.

    In June, the Pentagon revealed plans to restructure the US military so that 60 percent of its warships would be in the Asia-Pacific by 2020. At the time, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the decision was not meant to intimidate China, but was rather a common sense response to make sure America’s resources were divvied out where they might be most needed.

    “Some view the increased emphasis by the United States on Asia-Pacific as a challenge to China, I reject that view entirely,” Panetta said this summer.
    As recently as November, the secretary said of Asia, “We’re going to continue to invest in the region,” but that “It’s going to take a lot of work and a lot of focus.” Now only weeks later, the pieces are already being put in place.

    Speaking of the B-2 bombers last month, 8th Air Force Commander Maj. Gen. Stephen Wilson told Air Force Magazine that fleets “will rotate to forward operating locations all over the world in small numbers for a few weeks at a time,” with those operations “beginning with a short Pacific deployment” in early 2013.

    That news takes on a whole new light following an address from Sec. Panetta at the National Press Club in Washington last week, where he announced “new deployments of F-22s … to Japan” and confirmed that the Pentagon is “laying the groundwork” for F-35s to be in Japan by 2017.

    “[W]e still have to maintain our global leadership and presence by building innovative partnerships and partner capacity across the globe and using these innovative rotational deployments as a way to do exercises and training with other countries, developing their capabilities so that they can help provide for their own security,” Panetta said.

    Writing for Wired’s Danger Room, Axe says, “When the deployments are complete in 2017, Air Force F-22s and B-2s and Marine Corps F-35s could all be within striking range of America’s biggest economic rival at the same time.”

    “With Beijing now testing its own radar-evading jet fighters — two different models, to be exact — the clock is counting down to a stealth warplane showdown over the Western Pacific,” he says.

    When the Pentagon first discussed its “strategic pivot” earlier this year, Sen. Joe Lieberman, (I-Connecticut) dismissed rumors of an eventual skirmish, saying, "China and the US are so tied together economically and another Cold War is not in the interest of either that ultimately common sense will prevail."

    Regardless, the Obama administration’s current plan will position more than half of the United States Navy to the Asia-Pacific region by the end of the decade.

    “Increased US involvement in this region will benefit China as it advances our shared security and prosperity for the future,” claimed Panetta.

    China to be surrounded by US stealth jets by 2017 — RT

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    It appears that the US is not taking China's aggressive moves in the South China Sea lightly where they have tried to browbeat most of the nation, to include Japan.

    The basing of the aircrafts in Japan is an indicator that things will not be taken lightly, and what is more ominous is that the new PM of Japan, Abe, is a hawk and is not the type that can get intimidated with sabre rattling.

    With the density of the US Navy, Marines and the USAF, the US is putting their money where their mouth is.

    China will have to re-look her aggressive attitude in the South China Sea.

    Notwithstanding the claims of Panetta, the US is surely tightening the noose around China.
     
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    not at all, China still has holes -- India who has not stealth yet unless she turn to F35 and forget T50.
     
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    India has no claim to the SCS and is not involved in the spat China has with the littoral countries.

    It is the nations around the SCS who are worried about China's intentions and the US finds it in their strategic interest to contain China.

    Good luck to all those involved in the dispute.
     
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    There is no way Shinzo Abe survives for long, judging by the usual tenure of Japanese premiers.

    At some point in the future, Chinese demographics will probably force its hand in a conflict. Nothing says stability like 50-100 million extra men!
     
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    isnt j-20 now suppose to enter service by 2015?
     
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    does not matter, 2015, American will owe Chinese too much money, they stop printing money and start to flight and fight.
     
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    The Chinese money is locked up in US Treasury Bonds.

    The US is known to freeze these assets whenever they find themselves in a tight corner.
     
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    so I prefer US will be surrounded by angry Chinese debtee. if they F35/ F22/AV appear anywhere, we will detain them. how dare their Stealth close China?
     
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    look at that
    2012-12-20 · An Argentinian navy ship detained for 10 weeks in Ghana because of a dispute with a US-based "vulture fund" has finally set sail from west

    in 2017, if any US fleet pass IOR , India bhai feel free to get them, we will share them.
     
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    Our beloved brigadier strikes again, I see.

    How do you freeze Treasury Bonds again?:rolleyes:
     
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    By freezing redemption, as simple as that!
     
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    Is the article telling us that US stealth jets will be stationed in Russia, India, Mongolia, etc, countries that share longest border with China, by 2017?

    I somehow fail to see this becoming reality.
     
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    The closest that indicates something on deployment is

    “will rotate to forward operating locations all over the world in small numbers for a few weeks at a time,” with those operations “beginning with a short Pacific deployment” in early 2013.

    whatever that means!
     
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    Sir, the biggest holder of US Treasury Bonds is not China but the US Treasury. Fact: the US govt buys its own debt. Is that what you meant by US freezing assets?
     
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    yes its Japan and China, almost equal but his reply was mainly meant to say that in any real war scenario, its foolish to think that US's Treasury Bonds holding by China, around $1.1trillions, would play any role to stop US :wave:

    US won't lose its military bases in that certain region, and strengthening Japan against China is only meant to keep China within that region only. CHina too may have over 4-5 Aircraft Carriers by 2020+ and US won't lose that region in any case until China/PLA is unstoppable.....

    no matter how much China rise, even if its economy may double to US by 2020, say, but US+EU mustn't accept Chinese Rule on world in any case, and this is the best they can do to keep Chinese Military within limits. we expect the best US's military arms to be located on Japan+Korea in future by end of this decade :usa: :china:
     
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    U.S. Debt - How Much China Owns

    China and U.S. Debt

    The largest portion of U.S. debt, 68 cents for every dollar or about $10 trillion, is owned by individual investors, corporations, state and local governments and, yes, even foreign governments such as China that hold Treasury bills, notes and bonds.

    Foreign governments hold about 46 percent of all U.S. debt held by the public, more than $4.5 trillion. The largest foreign holder of U.S. debt is China, which owns more about $1.2 trillion in bills, notes and bonds, according to the Treasury.

    In total, China owns about 8 percent of publicly held U.S. debt. Of all the holders of U.S. debt China is the third-largest, behind only the Social Security Trust Fund's holdings of nearly $3 trillion and the Federal Reserve's nearly $2 trillion holdings in Treasury investments, purchased as part of its quantitative easing program to boost the economy.
    Criticism of China Owning U.S. Debt

    To put China's ownership of U.S. debt in perspective, its holding of $1.2 trillion is even larger than the amount owned by American households. U.S. citizens hold only about $959 billion in U.S. debt, according to the Federal Reserve.

    Other large foreign holders of U.S. debt include Japan, which owns $912 billion; the United Kingdom, which owns $347 billion; Brazil, which holds $211 billion; Taiwan, which holds $153 billion; and Hong Kong, which owns $122 billion.


    See also: Debt Ceiling History

    Some Republicans have expressed concern over the amount of U.S. debt owned by China. Republican U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann, a 2012 presidential hopeful, joked that when it came to the debt "Hu's your daddy," a reference to Chinese President Hu Jintao.

    Despite such joking, the truth is the bulk of the $14.3 trillion U.S. debt - $9.8 trillion in all - is owned by the American people and its government.

    That's the good news.

    The bad news?

    That's still a lot of IOUs.

     
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    the biggest holder of debt are US citizen, foreign country doesn't hold much. However, if china start selling its 7% debt, what do you think other investors would do? they will start selling theirs as well, therefore a domino effect. both US/china economy are tie now

    EU don't care about china claim over SCS as much as US, if weren't for UK, EU already selling top military tech to china. we can stop china from taking SCS, but due to limit number of B2, and range of f22, its not gonna be effeictive to attack china air defense. china has sufficent military to stop almost any invasion to their mainland, power projection is not quite there yet.
     
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    all would follow this trend, true.........
    sir, I dont think China would wish to bring down US's economy until 2015 at least, with whatever capabilities they have, as right now their Export to GDP level is very high, around 28%. they are trying to build home demands for the products they export to US+EU, and also to shift a part of this export business to Africa, and also to Asia+South America which requires at least 2-3 years more. hence, any trouble in external market would badly affect those who are more dependent on external demands and China is on top position in this regard. my last reply was just to state that a war is war, regardless how much $1.1trillions holding may affect a $15.5trillion economy :thumb:

    sir, when I been to Australia+EU in 2002, it was said that Chinese products are cheap, in terms of price and quality both. but now there are only Chinese products in market, whether cheap or expansive. you may buy a similar type of Chinese TV for the price around $400 which would cost at least $1,200+ if you wish a Japanese ones, just little compromise of quality is required now. the concept that an inferior race like Chinese can't have high techs is gone and now China has covered a big market of world and switching to export business of High Tech products also, and they do have Price based Competitive Advantage in this regard. and if China will ever be successful in what they want to achieve in world, owing high tech products and most powerful military etc, then it would suddenly broke down CAD of US+EU. as, how will they maintain earning through export this way? have a look, right now energy is the biggest exporting item of US to maintain CAD, did you ever think this in 90s?????

    there can't be friendship between Lions and Goats, and we only have to wait for few years to find out, who are Lions and who are goats..... even on the religious ground, dont we know, how Buddhists of Tibet burn themselves as they dont want to lose their Tibetan Culture to Chinese? while we also have news about continuous drone attacks on Afghans and parallel efforts to convert them into Christianity??? China and US/West can only be enemies of each others :wave:

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    After getting this news ... red chaddi fricks ki fut gayi hai ..... lets she how they will deal with US tech ....
     
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    Europe cannot really do much since their Navies are not large enough to make forays into Asia.

    Further, when the US is adequate to contain the situation, why should they act, more so, since their economy is not in the pinkest?

    The issue with the US is not to attack China, but just to contain it.

    The US has the control of the Pacific and also the waters around China, as was observed with the various naval exercises to include one with their erstwhile enemy, Vietnam!

    Now with Japan biting at the bit and converting from pacifism to activism, things are hotting up in so far as the competition for supremacy is concerned.

    Not a pleasant situation,but nonetheless a reality!
     
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