China threat properly analyzed

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  1. ark200

    ark200 Regular Member

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    china has many forces. they are the following:

    1] army

    2] navy

    3] air force

    4] strategic alliance: necklace around india

    5] cyber warfare

    let me discuss one by one.

    for army plese go to this thread. a very good analysis.

    taking-dragon on this forum.


    2] navy

    chinese navy can use bay of bengal to attack india, especially the coastal area. this is the easiest way for chinese navy to attack.


    3] air force

    chinese air force can attack our cities in much the same way as the america does. the north eastern and eastern part of india is the easiest target for chinese air force. india is vulnerable in these areas.


    4] strategic alliance: the necklace

    one ally will surely attack if sino indian war takes place: pakistan. it is the same nawaz sharif who started kargil war again takes the charge. this is a very bad sign for india.

    pakistan will attack north west frontier. along with its regular army there is a band of mujahidin/jehadis. they will augment the fire power of pakistan.

    sri lanka and its tamils are the next threat. sri lanka is also an ally of china. its tamils can do insurgencies in india.


    these are the threats before india.(china + pakistan + sri lanka): almost 3 times bigger threat.

    5] cyber warfare

    this one is very deadly threat because computer controlls most of our millitary information system. without information and communication, millitary movement is impossible. so india must be very carefull about that.


    now the million dollar question is : is indian millitary that powerful to withstand these threat?



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  3. W.G.Ewald

    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    Hari Sud Senior Member Senior Member

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    No, Chinese Navy cannot reach Bay of Bengal. They would be cut to pieces at the Malaca Straits. If they come north of Australia, then they have travelled 3,000 miles and are tired and Hungary. They become easy prey for land based bombers. Chinese are yet to learn the finer tricks of aircraft carrier operation. It would be ten years before they send out a combat patrol to battle anybody.

    The Chinese airforce is a bunch of copied planes with a dubious record. They would be flying with half load from airfields which are on 7,000 average height of Tibet mainland. Indian planes with Israeli gear and Russian missiles can catch them mid air and blow the hell out of them. Alternatively India can bomb the railway line which is built on permafrost and melt it away with a single napalm bomb. Chinese would not be able to stop IAF planes. If India lures the Chinese air armada in a trap over India and then shoot them down. they would be low in fuel and in a rush to get back home hence become easy prey for the better fighter capabilities of Indian Air Force.

    In today's world, nobody wishes to involve in other peoples fight. These bases (the necklace ) becomes just a necklace. Burma would withdraw all their facilities and Indians from Iranian base could easily kill the Chinese in Gawader.

    By indulging in cyber crimes very early, Chinese are giving away their modus operandi. They would loose much more in an Indian counter attack.

    Cheers
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    If the Portuguese, Spaniards and the Brits could reach then why not Chinese Navy with logistics bases at Chittagong, Myanmar, Hambantotta and Gwadar ?



    You mean when the Chinese have sixty plus subs and India has only ten odd ? You will block Mallacca ?

    What about India ?

    At least the Chinese aircrafts are flying when DREDO in India are only testing for last thirty years !

    Only presumptions.

    Ok let us at least try !!

    The fact is that China so far has successfully tied Indian tail to Pakistan and their Jihadies. Indians have no time for China. They appear to be in far distance.
     
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    Hari Sud Senior Member Senior Member

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    Wrong Mr. Bhadra

    Portugese and Brits had a navy. India did not. Indian empire is land based with Delhi 1500 miles away. The Brits and Others also ruled Peking on account of their navy.


    No country would permit use of their land or any part of their ports for Chinese use except Pakistan. Chinese base at Gawadar has been countered by the Indian port in Iran only 100 miles away. Gawadar is a wasteland. The Iranian port is a link to Central Asia.


    India has tied Pakistani tail with Afghanistan and Pakistani Taliban.

    When the Indian LCA is ready it is quantam jump over anything Chinese have which is battle worthy except the Russian copies of SU - 27.


    Chinese copy everything, there is no doubt about it. They are copy masters. Copies do not work.


    Wait until America tricks you in cyber espionage.


    Cheers
     
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  7. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    For Chinese to enter the Bay of Bengal, they would have to cross the Straits of Malacca.

    It is a strategic choke point.

    Insofar as Chinese ships in the Bay and the Malacca blocked, it will be the same case as what happened to the Admiral Graf Spee.

    The IOR is not the only concern of India, it is also the concern of the US.

    And the US has shifted/ is in the process of shifting its strategic centre of gravity from the Middle East to the Asia Pacific Rim.

    Obviously, it is to keep China at bay and not in the Bay!
     
  8. t_co

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    Why would China ever use its Navy to hit the Indian coast when China can just raid Indian shipping with assets based in Pakistan?
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    I don't know IN strategy, but AFAIK, an IN CBG is always present to cover the Gulf of Aden & Horn of Africa. Once we get our 2nd CBG, it would be there in Malacca. 3rd CBG would also be in our west cost & IOR.

    Year. > 2013-----2014-----2015-----2016-----2017-----2018-----2019-----2020-----2021-----2022-----2023-----2024
    CBG1> Virat------Virat------Virat------Virat-----Virat-----IAC1-----IAC1------IAC1-----IAC1-----IAC1-----IAC1-----IAC1
    CBG2> Viky------Viky------Viky------Viky------Viky------Viky------Viky------Viky------Viky------Viky------Viky------Vicky
    CBG3> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------IAC2

    Plus Arihant (2013) & Aridhaman (2015) would be deployed in Arabian Sea as well.

     
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    Because this is internet: Chinese navy is supposed to be commanded by indian keyboard warriors. And obviously they don't like a failure of india.
     
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    Are you talking about basing PLAN vessels in Pakistan or the age old "Fight India to the last Pakistani" doctrine?
     
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    Basing PLAN subs in Pakistan - with the obvious caveat that the subs would not be expected to return to Pakistani ports once the fighting started. They would essentially be on 120-day joyrides through the IOR to sink as much Indian shipping as possible, if the INS starts attacking or blocking any Chinese shipping in the IOR.
     
  13. arnabmit

    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    And IN CBG with ASW helos, SSN, SSK, P8I etc. would be doing what? Twiddling thumbs? Specially when Chinese subs are so loud that one paroling near SL could be heard from Andaman, Diego Garcia & Lakshwadeep?

     
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    Trust me, you wouldn't want PLAN subs in the Arabian sea.

    You'd never know whether it was the USN or the IN which sank your sub fleet.
     
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    Chinese internet worriers are having wet dreams of using nations in IOR region against India during a war. But on other international forums they say these are only meant for trade and serving economy with uh! huh! ha! when asked about their defense agenda.
     
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    :rofl: Dream on.

    Indian Navy's dominance, control & capabilities in this region are unparalleled & absolute. And you are talking about raiding our shipping assets in our own backyard ?
    Good luck. :laugh:

    The best that Pak-Chin nexus can conjure up is trying to replicate Iran's desperate strategy against US: mining & medicore shore-based anti-ship defences. Everyone knows which was the last modern platform with Pak Navy.

    Even before the full-scale hostilities commence, Pak Navy & its fuel dumps, refineries, shipyards, berths, harbours would be smoke. They wouldn't have a clue what hit them. We have done it before. We are going to do it better, & much-much bigger this time.

    Any Chin asset based in Pak is a sitting duck against India firepower because Pak-land would be rendered virtually defence-less against our offensive edge, within first few days of warfare.

    Anyway, good thinking, guys. :sarcastic:
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    Anyone has any idea on where will Brahmos with it's 290km range would land if launched from Mandvi or Rann? :scared2:

    Anyone measured the distance from Mandvi to Karachi recently? :heh:
     
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