China: The danger of ‘one country, two systems’ formula

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    China's governance hinges on their theory of 'stability and harmony'.

    To that aim, China goes to all limits to ensure it.

    However, the ‘one country, two systems’ formula is charged with contradictions that is leading to disharmony and chaos. This is dangerous for China, more so, if the same spreads to other parts of China where affluence is rampant.

    There is a feeling that the industrious South is burdened by the 'unproductive North'.

    And the feeling of one Chinese, randomly picked:
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    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    A whole continent of people with multi culture, multi linguistic and multi ethnicity are living in the name of China there.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    And claiming to be 92% Han!

    It would be as forced and ridiculous if Russia claimed that 92% Russians are Slavs!
     
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    China should follow Jinnah policy two nation theory all issues will be solved :taunt: some how pakistan is blood brother
     
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    Say what it may, the Chinese are quite a united lot. Like it is said, they are forced to be as one people but over thousands of years and share a common written language.

    In fact, people throughout the region talk to each other using written words eventhough they do not speak each others spoken languages. Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese and the Chinese write to each other in Chinese characters. When the Portuguese went to Japan from Macau, they relied on Cantonese workers to communicate with the Japanese via writing.

    Having said that, Mongolians, Tibetans and Uygurs do not share the same written characters or system.

    At this present time, most Vietnamese do not write Chinese characters anymore due to French colonisation. Koreans use phonetic characters call Hangul alongside with Chinese characters. North Korea completely eliminated Chinese characters in their writings in favour of Hangul. Japanese use Hiragana and Katagana to complement Chinese characters. Taiwanese introduced bofomofo into their system, which was originally introduced in mainland China, although both still use Chinese characters ( Taiwan retain traditional characters and China simplified characters). Mainland China developed romanised pinyin system. All the above system introduced are "phonetic in nature" while Chinese characters are more "meaning in nature".
     
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    Indeed Chinese characters in writing have a strong binding power despite varying pronunciations across a vast area. By using the hieroglyphs people overcome phonetic complexity.

    Many foreigners carelessly equal "southerners" to "Cantonese" maybe Cantonese constitutes a large chunk of overseas Chinese that they often interact with (like in Malaysia). However the south is much diversified than Cantonese - Shanghai for example is also part of "geographical" and "cultural" south, but distinctively different from " Canton".

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    How is language the indication of similarity in genetics or culture so as to qualify all (or 92%) as Han and united?

    It is a political construct and not ethnocultural.

    Historically, the Han people (who are from the North of Yangtse Kiang). as they conquered areas that constitute the political map of China today, have Sinicised (converted to being Han in all its facets) the conquered. The aim was basically to wipe out the roots, traditions, customs etc so that they froget their singular differences to create dissensions and rebel against the Han people. That is why the CCP has the mindset that all actions has to maintain the unique desire for 'harmony and stability'.

    Arabic is spoken throughout the Middle East, but the culture and traditions are different and they are not one homogeneous entity.

    On languages, in Japan kanji is essentially Chinese characters, whereas the other two systems, hiragana and katakana are simplified forms of certain Chinese characters and used exclusively to represent sounds. It is possible and fairly common that all three scripts are useds together in the same text.

    In Korea, writing also started as an adoption of the Chinese script to fit the Korean language, and as a result Chinese characters called hanja came to represent both words as well as sounds. This system persisted for more than a thousand until the creation and introduction of the alphabet hangul which is what is used in both North and South Korea.

    Now the Yi Scripts and the script of the Yi or Lolo people, who are an ethnic group in China, Vietnam, and Thailand. The Yi people of China's Yunnan province have an indigenous writing system that on surface appears to resemble Chinese, so it is classified as a Sinitic script, but the resemblance might just a product of stimulus diffusion. This means that only the idea of writing and the visual style were adopted by the Yi, but the individual signs themselves are brand new inventions.

    Then there is the Khitan people. They were a powerful Mongolian tribe that dominated Northern China and established the Liao dynasty between the 10th and 12th centuries BCE.
    They invented not one but two scripts both based on Chinese and augmented to their language. One form, the "Large Script", remained largely logographic, while the "Small Script" evolved into a mixed phonetic and logographic system. In both scripts, some signs were adopted from Chinese and heavily modified, while others are new creations. The Khitan script, as well as the Khitan language and people, faded into history after having been absorbed into the Mongolian empire.

    The Jurchens who were the ancestors of the Manchus (who went on to conquer China and established the last dynasty, the Qing) and they adapted both the Khitan big and small scripts and modified them into a single script for their own language. It is still a poorly understood script. The Jurchen/Manchu people later adopted the Mongolian alphabet and modified it into the Manchu script, and abandoned the old logographic Jurchen script.

    The Xixia Dynasty or Tangut Empire was a powerful state in northwestern China. It was headed by an elite who spoke a Tibeto-Burman language. By edict of Emperor Jingzong, a writing system was created by his court scholars in 1036 and rapid disseminated via government schools. The Tangut script was a logographic writing system with over 5,000 characters made to resemble Chinese characters visually but were in fact new creations. The script quickly declined after the destruction of the Tangut Empire by Genghis Khan, the last inscription dating from the 16th century.

    Vietnamese Chu Nom means "Southern Writing" and it was a script to write Vietnamese using Chinese character construction principles. What this means is that traditional radicals were paired with characters serving as phonetic components to construct Chu Nom characters that represent Vietnamese words. Chu Nom never attained an official status such as that of Chinese in Vietnam and only remained in the domain of literary elites. During French colonization both Chinese and Chu Nom were suppressed and the Latin-based quoc ngu became the sole writing system for Vietnamese.

    Nushu is perhaps the most interesting writing system associated with Chinese. It is a secret script used by women in Hunan over hundred of years to communicate with each other as women were not given any education in feudal Chinese society. It is moribund and only known by a handful of women of advanced age. However recently there is considerable interest in it and some efforts are made in preserving it.
     
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