China swimmer Ye Shiwen clean, says BOA boss Moynihan

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London 2012 Olympics: BOA chairman Lord Moynihan says doping speculation about Ye Shiwen is regrettable



Ye's remarkable performance in the 400 metre individual medley, in which her final 50m was faster than Ryan Lochte, has raised many eyebrows, with a leading American coach describing what was a world-record breaking race as "disturbing".

The performance led to the inevitable speculation over the 16 year-old, who took five seconds off her personal best and more than a second off the world record.

But amid all those questioning whether or not the athlete was 'clean', Moynihan said today: "We know how on top of the game Wada are and Wada have passed her as clean. That's the end of the story.

London 2012 Olympics: BOA chairman Lord Moynihan says doping speculation about Ye Shiwen is regrettable
British Olympic Association chairman Lord Moynihan hit out this morning at those who had raised suspicions about Ye Shiwen, pointing out she had been passed as clean by the Word Anti-Doping Agency.

Teenage sensation: Lord Moynihan has come to the defence of Chinese world record breaker Ye Shiwen Photo: EPABy Telegraph Sport
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Ye's remarkable performance in the 400 metre individual medley, in which her final 50m was faster than Ryan Lochte, has raised many eyebrows, with a leading American coach describing what was a world-record breaking race as "disturbing".

The performance led to the inevitable speculation over the 16 year-old, who took five seconds off her personal best and more than a second off the world record.

But amid all those questioning whether or not the athlete was 'clean', Moynihan said today: "We know how on top of the game Wada are and Wada have passed her as clean. That's the end of the story.

"And it is regrettable there is so much speculation out there. I don't like it. I think it is wrong. That athlete or, indeed, any athlete that has never tested positive is an athlete who should be supported by her federation and, indeed, everybody in the Olympic movement.

"Let us recognise that there is an extraordinary swimmer out there who deserves the recognition of her talent in these Games."

Amid all the questioning over their athlete's achievement, China's anti-doping chief has hit out at the "biased" suspicions.

Jiang Zhixue said on Monday that Chinese swimmers had undergone nearly 100 drug tests since they arrived in Britain for the Olympics.

"I think it is not proper to single Chinese swimmers out once they produce good results. Some people are just biased," he said.

Ye's father said: "A lot of different people had to provide all kinds of help for this result to be possible."

He urged doubters to "look at her [drug] test results".

"It's normal for people to be suspicious," he added. "Western media has always been arrogant, and suspicious of Chinese people."

Adrian Moorhouse, who won gold for Great Britain at the 1988 Seoul Oympics, labelled suspicions over the teenager as "sour grapes" and believes swimming may have uncovered a phenomenon to match Michael Phelps.

Asked what he though of American coach John Leonard's use of the words "disturbing" and "unbelievable", Moorhouse said: "I think it is sour grapes. I think it's insulting actually. You saw the Chinese swimmers in 1990, they were the size of houses, this girl is quite small, light, she's just in good shape.

"The other thing to note is there are a lot of people in China and actually you know what, the base of their pyramid is so wide that if they train thousands and thousands of kids they've got more to draw on.

"They might have just found their Michael Phelps. They might have just found this really, really talented kid who can work really, really hard, and has actually got the perfect shape and actually can cope with all the pressure that's thrown at her."
London 2012 Olympics: BOA chairman Lord Moynihan says doping speculation about Ye Shiwen is regrettable - Telegraph


Sigh, someone might feel unhappy about this.
 

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....leading American coach describing what was a world-record breaking race as "disturbing".
What is disturbing is the lack of sportsmanship displayed by the American coach, and the fact that his statement was reported on TV.
 

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Water murky in Ye Shiwen doping accusations
Updated: July 31, 2012 9:12AM

LONDON – On Monday, China's Ye Shiwen won gold in the women's 400-meter individual medley, breaking the world record by a second. She swam her final 50-meter freestyle in 28.93 seconds, which was faster than Ryan Lochte's final 50 meters (29.1 seconds).

In case there's any confusion here, Lochte is a man and the Olympic gold medalist in the 400 IM.

For those who believe a person is innocent until proven guilty, good for you. But for we skeptics, the people who have seen athletes try to beat the system over and over again, it's impossible to look at Ye's performance Monday and not suspect that something is very, very wrong.

John Leonard, the executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, said Ye "looks like Superwoman. Any time someone has looked like Superwoman in the history of our sport, they have later been found guilty of doping.''

He also called Ye's final 100 meters "impossible.''

Almost immediately, her Chinese supporters lashed out, saying Ye had passed more than 100 drug tests. But that's the Lance Armstrong defense, and there are plenty of people who don't believe the seven-time Tour de France winner competed clean.

I was at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta when Irish swimmer Michelle Smith blew away the field three times, winning gold in the 400-meter freestyle and the 200 and 400 IM.

Almost immediately, people associated with the sport said something didn't smell right. American star Janet Evans questioned how someone could progress so quickly, especially someone who was 26, old by swimming standards. For years, Smith had been a middling swimmer on the international scene, and here she was dominating the competition. More importantly, she was dropping her times dramatically. Before 1996, her best time in the 400 IM was 4 minutes, 58.94. In Atlanta, she swam 4:39.18.

It was a chaotic scene after each of her races, with friends and family angrily defending her and Smith herself denying she had ever used performance-enhancing drugs.

Four years later, I was in Kells, County Kilkenny, Ireland, trying to track down Smith, who had been exposed as a drug cheat. After being unable to locate her again and again, FINA, swimming's governing body, finally tested her and eventually banned her from competition for tampering with her urine sample. Three successive tests found a banned substance.

I never did talk with Smith, who wouldn't answer her door or return phone messages. The question now is whether we have found someone to take her place.

There are differences in the two cases. Smith was 26, and her best swimming should have been behind her by the Atlanta Games. Ye is 16. But her record time Monday was five seconds faster than her previous best. She denied she had taken any drugs, saying her results came from "hard work and training.''

The sad part of this sport and others is that we know athletes find new drugs to beat the testers. We also know that WADA keeps drug samples for eight years and can find previously undetected drugs as they come to light. Ye very well could be clean. Or we might learn years from now that she wasn't. That's swimming, where the water is always murky.

Colin Moynihan, chairman of the British Olympic Association, defended Ye on Tuesday morning.

"She's been through (the World Anti-Doping Agency's) program, and she's clean,'' he said. "End of story. Ye Shiwen deserves recognition for her talent.''

It is not the end of the story, of course. Ye is the favorite to win the 200 IM Tuesday night. Given swimming's dirty history and China's record of cheating, some of us will hold off on the cheering.

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right, if a chinese win something its cheating/doping, if phelps win its hardworking. people make assuming, oh since someone so and so from certain country win, its cheating, if they pass its cause new drug, which is undetectable, oh and taht new drug must copy from another country, cause we all know so and so country cant produce something thats theirs :) lol

maybe the chinese diving team is on some kind of dupe too since they win alot medal in those event. /sarcasm off

this remind me of last olympic where the chinese gymanism accuse of younger age. which is a pure BS to me after they win, people start complaining.
 
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Right now, The Chinese swimmer is in the clear.

The record stands.
 

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I'd like to see Steroid Olympics, to see what human potential is truly capable off.
 

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Feed steroids to pigs, eat that pork. Voila, avoid detection.
 

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Since so many posts have appeared on doping, I am appending an article on the subject.

I think it can be still detected and difficult to beat the system.

The History of Drug Testing in Sports and How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests (Part 2)

This is Part Two of a three-part article. The first part focused on the formal process of drug testing in sports, primarily at the international level. This part continues with the formal process and part three will discuss the tactics used by athletes to avoid drug detection. The article reflects the personal and cumulative experiences of the author who was intimately involved in drug testing for a variety of sports. While the arsenal of drugs available to athletes includes far more agents, the coverage here will focus on anabolic-androgenic steroid (AAS) use.

Labs Approved for Drug Testing

To date, the IOC has accredited 25 testing laboratories around the world. There are 3 in North America (1 in the University of California at Los Angeles School of Medicine, 1 in the Indiana University School of Medicine, and 1 in Montreal, Quebec), 1 each in China, Korea, Australia, Japan, and South Africa, and the rest are in Europe. Once the commitment is made to develop a laboratory, 2 to 3 years are necessary to develop the necessary methods and gain the appropriate experience. Currently, laboratories are developing in Hungary, Poland, Malaysia, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Zimbabwe, Indonesia, and Turkey.

Several requirements are made of the IOC laboratories. They must organize a proficiency program, an annual accreditation examination (which is designed to be quite difficult), and a week-long scientific meeting. The IOC laboratories in the United States and several commercial laboratories are also accredited by the College of American Pathologists for athletic drug testing. The IOC is planning to require the laboratories to join the International Standards Organization accreditation program. In addition to adhering to the testing protocols, the IOC program requires adherence to a code of ethics that forbids testing samples unless they are from a bona fide sports program. Labs found guilty of violating this code may be sanctioned. Thus, the IOC laboratories are prohibited from drug testing athletes who want to learn how to evade detection of drug use.

Positive Drug Tests and Confidentiality

Panels of officials and athletes usually review positive drug tests. Disputed cases may lead to hearings, to arbitration, and to courts at the national and international level. Sports, particularly in the United States, place great emphasis on refining and executing the collection, transport, and testing procedures. In the case of a positive report after screening and confirmation on the "A" urine sample, the athlete may choose to be present to verify that the "B" sample is intact as they last saw it, or may send a representative to do so before the "B" sample is tested.

Generally speaking, athletes are notified by their governing body of any breach of the medical code and have the right to a disciplinary hearing and legal representation. The name of the offending athlete should be kept confidential. However, given the media frenzy over the reporting of positive drug tests, this has been difficult to maintain. The reason for maintaining confidentiality is that new evidence can always overturn the decision. Historically, even when guilt has been proven beyond reasonable doubt, the procedures have occasionally been challenged in the light of new scientific evidence. There are published accounts of unwitting intake of drugs via consumption of natural products such as opioids, which have been detected in urine as the result of eating poppy seeds on bagels. After this discovery, subsequent drug tests were modified to detect opioid metabolites that are derived only from administered drugs. Positive test results have been reported after consumption of chickens that have been injected with preparations of anabolic steroids into fat stores and farm animals treated with clenbuterol. It is for these reasons that the laboratory data should undergo a thorough scientific review before proceedings are instigated through administrative channels and sanctions imposed on athletes suspected of a doping offense.

The Responses of Organizations to Positive Drug Tests

What happens to an athlete once a positive drug test is reported depends on the drug detected and the testing organization. Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AASs), beta-blockers, and amphetamines are considered the most serious offenses and, consequently, the penalties are high. Another consideration is what to do when an athlete's urine reveals traces of a banned substance that is available OTC or can inhibit performance. As an example, stimulants would most likely impair shooting performance, yet they are still banned. In these cases, different sports organizations considering these possibilities may reach opposite conclusions. This point elucidates how complicated and confusing testing can be for athletes competing in different organizations. Such discrepancies in how athletes may be sanctioned potentiate the possibility of positive doping results for OTC banned substances. The burden is placed upon the athlete to know and understand the rules and sanctions for their sport and the specific organization they are competing in.

At the Olympic level, while the IOC rules may be clear, they only apply to the Olympic Games. Outside Olympic competition, each international or national sports organization sets their own rules. While all sports in theory could and should operate under the IOC rules, in practice this has yet to be achieved. Presently the IOC has a group working on rules agreement within Olympic sports. Further problems at the national level include having to get agreement across the various national governing bodies and between the national governing bodies and their international federations on the rules of drug testing. Some national governing bodies carefully follow the rules of their international federations, but some may not because of lack of clear international federation rules. The final verdict depends on the type or level of competition and the particular sport. In the Olympics, the judgment process takes a few hours. In the United States, an athlete who is not satisfied with the decision of the initial hearing may appeal to the American Arbitration Association. At the international level, an athlete may appeal to the International Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Defenses Used Against Positive Drug Test Results

In the event of a positive sample, some athletes may admit drug use, but most will deny use and attribute the positive result to collection mistakes, breaks in the chain of custody, laboratory error, or sabotage. Sample collection is a possible area of vulnerability, but errors are usually minor (e.g., incorrect date) and do not materially affect the results. Transport and receiving are simple processes and, in general, are not a problem area. Experts have never successfully refuted the data from US laboratories, despite careful scrutiny. While sabotage is possible and should not be excluded, it rarely can be proven. As a precaution, athletes are warned to drink only from sealed containers provided by the collection officials. While sports authorities are skeptical of the sabotage defense, they would consider evidence offered to support it. There are no documented cases of sabotage in the legal or medical literature.

As far as testing positive for a banned substance contained in an over the counter (OTC) drug, athletes often accept the results, but ask for leniency on the basis of unknowing use or lack of understanding that the product contained banned substances. Depending on the circumstances and the amount of drug found in the urine, this explanation may or may not be accepted. If a second offense occurs, then a sanction is usually imposed. In past cases where the testosterone to epitestosterone ratios (T/E) are elevated, athletes have attributed the results to OTC natural products that claim strength enhancements and sometimes are labeled as containing "orchic" or, most recently, prohormones. The amount of testosterone in orchic-type products is very low and the bioavailability of these oral preparations is also low. So while it would seem unlikely that these products could increase T, the mere availability of such products may be used to raise questions. Recently, positive doping tests have been attributed to prohormones and various organizations have clearly indicated that these supplements are banned. So future positive tests are unlikely to receive much leniency.

Results of Drug Testing

Olympic Level

The IOC-accredited laboratories annually report the number of samples tested and the number of positive tests by sport and substance. Efforts have been made to increase the number of samples collected each year using short- and no-notice testing. Presently the percentage of samples that test positive for AASs has plateaued at about 1.0%.

At the 1996 Olympic games for the first time, AAS screening was done using high-resolution mass spectrometry (HRMA). About 18% of the athletes were tested immediately following their events. In addition, before traveling to the games, many athletes were tested by their national testing authority, and some elite athletes were tested on short notice by their international federation immediately prior to the games. At the games, virtually all medalists were tested and 1 or 2 nonmedalists were selected at random for testing. At preliminary events, winners and losers were randomly selected with each having an equal risk of testing. For team events, the final and semifinal rounds were tested with 2 members of each team selected at random from the athletes who dressed for the event. At preliminary team events, matches were randomly selected for testing and 1 athlete was selected per team. The randomization procedure typically took place near the end of a team event and immediately after the individual competition. The process used an electronic random number generator and was supervised by IOC-appointed officials.

After selection and positive identification by inspection of the athlete's identification badge, and an escort was assigned to observe the athlete at all times until they reported to the doping control station. The athlete had to report to the station within 1 hour of notification. The urine sample was collected under direct observation and rapidly transported to the laboratory under strict chain-of-custody procedures. Within 24 hours the laboratory reported the results to the chair of the IOC Medical Commission. The IOC Medical Commission then conducted a hearing for positive sample tests with the athlete and representatives of the international federation and the country involved. After all sides presented their case, the IOC Medical Commission discussed the case and recommended a course of action to the IOC Executive Board based upon their decision. In serious cases, such as detection of an anabolic steroid, the recommendation was to remove the athlete or responsible individual from the Olympic Village.

United States

In 1984, the USOC became the first sports organization to conduct testing in the United States. Since its inception, the USOC has conducted announced testing for all major events at a minimal rate of 3500 samples per year. About 70% of the tests are performed on men. The number of steroid and related cases in men has gradually declined from 1992 through 1995. From 1984 to 1996, the announced testing program has detected 128 samples positive for steroids and steroid blocking agents (including 10 for women), 12 samples positive for diuretics, 7 for beta-blockers, 15 for narcotics (mostly codeine and propoxyphene), and 365 for stimulants (0.89% of all tests). Because the USOC conducts testing for both national and international events held in the United States, some of the positive results were not among US athletes. Alternatively, USOC athletes are tested in other countries and these results are not included.

NFL

The NFL began testing for illegal drugs and AASs around 1985-1986. Since 1990, UCLA and Indiana University together have tested approximately 8000 samples per year for AASs collected year-round from approximately 2400 players. The selection process is random and all players are at risk for selection at any time. During the season (August to January), an equal number of players are selected from each team once or twice per week. During the off-season, random testing continues with each player eligible to be tested at any time. In addition, all players are tested at the preseason training camp. The random selection process results in a testing rate of approximately 4 tests per player per year (minimum, 1; maximum, 8).

NCAA

In general the NCAA policy and procedures are executed in accordance with a strict set of guidelines. Athletes are tested for steroids at major events like a national championship game. In addition, athletes are also tested for other categories of drugs like marijuana, cocaine, and stimulants. In the past, schools have gotten publicly embarrassed when a player(s) tested positive, so some schools initiated their own in-house drug testing program. Data from a variety of sources points to the fact that at the college level, men's sports like football, basketball, track and field, baseball, and swimming and women's sports like track and field, swimming, diving, and softball all have steroid use present. From various studies done over the years, figures as low as 5% (1994) and as high as 15% (1995) have been presented for the fraction of college athletes using AAS. The low number was from a study funded by the NCAA in 1994. Many researchers claimed that the percentage underreported steroid use because of self-reporting. The latter study proved that their assumption may have been correct.

In 1985, 32 Vanderbilt football players were indicted in a case involving the sale and distribution of steroids. In 1986, after years of rumors of widespread drug abuse, the NCAA voted to institute drug testing at major football bowl games and championships in other men's and women's sports to detect AAS as well as illegal street drugs and amphetamines. Prior to this, athletes could get steroids from a coach, team physician, or athletic trainer. If you talk with athletes from that time period (1970's to early 1980's), many can tell you how they got their AAS from their trainers. When the statistical data is looked at however, the results from several surveys indicate that most athletes obtained AAS from outside physician sources. I think this discrepancy is due to the fact that athletes don't want to implicate themselves or their sources. It also points out the possible flaws that can be associated with survey-type studies. When you ask a group of athletes if they are taking something, or if they think someone else in their sport is taking something, it is difficult to get unbiased answers. With all the negative press around steroid use, the fact that it is illegal without a doctor's prescription, and not to mention banned in the NCAA, athletes are conditioned to say they don't take anything. They also realize that if they report their teammates, then they also become guilty by association.

Prior to 1990, a typical scenario was that an athlete was told he would get drug tested on a given date. This meant he knew in advance when to come off whatever he was taking so he could beat the test. If he didn't think he was going to beat the test, he could simply go to the team physician, and say he didn't feel well. The doctor would send him home to get some rest and sleep and get the athlete excused from testing. These tests were done very infrequently so it could be a month or longer before the athlete was called back for a test. Plenty of time for the athlete's system to clear out anything he was on. In addition, most of the testing was done out of season. So if an athlete was taking something early in the season, he could just go off before the bowl game or out of season testing and then pass every time.

In 1990, the NCAA knew that their drug testing program was not working. The fear tactic had worn off and educated athletes now knew that several agents could be taken up to days before the drug test date to allow their urine sample to test negative. So to discourage AAS use further, the NCAA implemented year round spot-checking in Division I-A and I-AA football. But by the time the NCAA had implemented this testing practice, athletes were already using probenecid (a renal tubular transport blocking agent), epitestosterone (E), diuretics, growth hormone (GH), and other masking agents. The chemical actions of these substances will be covered in part three. For now I will just point out that probenecid prevents the kidneys from excreting steroids and other drugs, E administration lowers the T:E ratio so that the athlete's drug test shows up negative, diuretics dilute the urine sample, and GH was undetectable by the lab test protocols at that time.

Presently, drug testing for the NCAA is divided between the IOC-accredited laboratories at UCLA and Indiana University. In recent years, 78% to 83% of all NCAA tests (9000-12 000 per year) were short-notice tests (notification of the test was in 48 hours or less). The remaining tests (announced) are divided between male athletes competing in football and other sports and female athletes, who account for approximately 14% of those tested. More than 90% of football and track and field athletes are tested using the short-notice program.
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Now Ryan Lochte is joked as the guy who swims slower than a woman. It is indeed hard for men to swallow it, for people like Mr. Armand it is even harder. Miss Ye's 'impossible' performance will haunt these men for years, so at a moment I even think Miss Ye is not clean would perhaps help world better than she is clean.
 

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i hope this can settle things down now. hopefully no one will judge other base on where they come from because so and so win a medal. give a bad name for sportsmanship

(CBS/AP) LONDON - Olympic organizers and swimming's governing body leapt to the defense of China's world record-breaking teen sensation Ye Shiwen on Tuesday, with the sport's president saying suspicions that she doped were "crazy" and motivated by jealousy and the IOC stressing its confidence in the drug-testing program.


"We need to get real here," said International Olympic Committee spokesman Mark Adams. "These are the world's best athletes competing at the very highest level. We've seen all sorts of records broken already all over the place."


Adams said the top five athletes in each event, plus two others, are tested as part of "a very, very strong drug-testing program, and we are very confident if there are cheats we will catch them."


"We can't stop speculation. It is inevitably a sad result of the fact that there are people who dope and who cheat," Adams said. "It's very sad we can't applaud a great performance. Let's give the benefit of the doubt to the athletes."



Ye won the 400-meter individual medley on the opening day of the Olympic swimming competition, and was the favorite to win the 200 IM on Tuesday evening, too.


The 16-year-old Ye sliced through the last lap of the 400 in 28.93 seconds - faster than the 29.10 American winner Ryan Lochte posted in the last 50 of the men's race. Ye's time was 4:28.43, more than a second faster than the previous world record set by Australia's Stephanie Rice at the 2008 Beijing Games in a now-banned bodysuit.

John Leonard, head of the American Swimming Coaches Association but not a member of the U.S. Olympic staff, was among those openly questioning Ye's legitimacy. The Guardian newspaper quoted him as saying the last 100 of her race "was reminiscent of some old East German swimmers."


"We want to be very careful about calling it doping," Leonard told the newspaper. "The one thing I will say is that history in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I will put quotation marks around this, 'unbelievable', history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved."


Asked about Leonard's comments, FINA president Julio Maglione told The Associated Press that people are free to say "stupid things" if they want.


"It's a big mistake," Maglione said of Ye's doubters. "The people that said this is crazy."


He said FINA spends $1 million to drug-test the top 30 swimmers in the world two or three times a year and "swimming is absolutely clean."


He said that he has absolutely no suspicions about Ye and that her critics are jealous because China is becoming a swimming power.


"It's best for the swimming," Maglione said. "Not only two or three countries. We have now 15 countries that take medals, 20 countries. That is important that many countries in the world take medals."


The anti-doping chief for China's General Administration of Sport, Jiang Zhixue, said Chinese athletes, including swimmers, have passed nearly 100 drug tests since they arrived in London. FINA's website shows Ye also underwent three out-of-competition drug tests from June 2011 to February this year.


"Some people are just biased," the official Xinhua News Agency quoted Jiang as saying. "We never questioned Michael Phelps when he bagged eight gold medals in Beijing."

Australian coach Ken Wood, who has a contract with the Chinese Swimming Association and has trained 20 of China's swimmers in London, accused Ye's doubters of double standards.


"They are just laying it on, especially the Americans because they are losing the whole damn meet," Wood told the AP by phone from Australia. "They are creating double standards."


He said China is extremely strict about adhering to its anti-doping rules. He said a group of about a dozen Chinese swimmers - including some now in London - who came to his academy to train a few years ago were temporarily suspended from competing after drug testers couldn't find them where they had said they would be. The swimmers mistakenly listed the pool, instead of their nearby rented accommodation, as the place to find them for drug tests, he said.


"What happened was the drug testers came around and said, 'Where are the Chinese?' I said they are not training now," Wood said. "They couldn't find them when they wanted to."


"So the Chinese Swimming Association immediately banned them and said, 'Right. Oh, they can't swim anymore,'" he told the AP. "That's how stringent they are."


He wrote to the CSA explaining that the mistake was a language issue and that the swimmers had given the wrong address. Chinese authorities later wrote back saying they accepted his explanation, and the swimmers were reinstated, he said. "They did suspend them and I had to write a letter," he said.


"They reinstated them and sent me a letter and said, 'Thank you very much. We have no reason to doubt the veracity of your statement.'"


He said the Chinese swimmers are subjected to frequent doping tests.


"They hit them all the time," he said. "Some of the swimmers got tested three times in one week."


Sebastian Coe, head of the London organizing committee, said it would "very unfair to judge an athlete by a sudden breakthrough."


"What you tend to forget is probably the 10 years of work that's already gone in to get to that point," he said on ITV News. "You need to look back through her career. I think you've got to be very careful when you make judgments like that, but, yes, it is an extraordinary breakthrough."


John Brewer, a board member of UK Anti-Doping and director of sport at the University of Bedfordshire, also talked down doubts about Ye.


"Drug testing procedures in place at the London 2012 Olympics are extremely rigorous, and the storage of samples for eight years after the games makes doping a very high-risk strategy," he said. "We should not be surprised by exceptional performances since gold-medal winning athletes are inevitably different to the rest of us due to their talent, training and lifestyles."


China, with 1.3 billion people, "has a vast pool of talent to choose from ... so we should not be too surprised when an individual with exceptional talent emerges," he added.


Ye is known for her large hands and feet, but otherwise she's smaller than other swimmers at 5-foot-7 (1.72 meters) and 141 pounds (64 kilograms).


"One of the interesting things about swimming is people don't swim the same way," said Bob Bowman, Phelps' coach. "They have to swim the way their body is made, so that's what she's doing. She's taking advantage of her size."


"I don't think that 4:28 is an impossible time in the 400 IM, I think it's a perfectly logical time for someone to go," he said of her world-record swim. "The girl has good technique. She had an amazing last 100 but people do amazing things sometimes."


"I trust the testing service and I know that Michael was tested nonstop and we're very careful about what goes into his body, and I assume that other competitors are, too," Bowman added.

IOC defends Chinese swim star Ye Shiwen amid doping speculation, urges doubters to "get real" - CBS News
 

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Chinese Olympic team doctor now accuses America's Michael Phelps of doping as countries enter bitter war of words over champion swimmers

Dr Zhanghao had been in charge of the Chinese medical staff at past Olympic Games in Los Angeles, Seoul and Barcelona.

However his involvement in sports doping in the 1980s and 90s throws a shadow over his credibility, the Sydney Herald's China correspondent added.

Read more: Michael Phelps accused of doping by Chinese Olympic team doctor | Mail Online

So much for Chinis taking the high road... :rofl:
 
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Lots of dopes around in the Olympic team managerial cadres who are talking about doping.
 

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Netizen: Who is Phelps' rumored girl_English_Xinhua

The Xinhuanet picture shows that Phelps is wearing a yamulke.

Therefore, he is Jewish?

If it is so, another good controversy is in the offing.

The next accusation will be that the Chinese doctor Dr Zhanghao who had been in charge of the Chinese medical staff at past Olympic Games in Los Angeles, Seoul and Barcelona is anti Semetic and a racist!

The Olympics go on and the FUN begins!

And the picture is from a Chinese source!!!! :eek:
 

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this remind me of last olympic where the chinese gymanism accuse of younger age. which is a pure BS to me after they win, people start complaining.
Chinese let Child practise too earlier than other countries, and younger girls indeed are good at jumping, looping.
at last, Chinese send their mature female , although these sexy female made some mistakes and butt on the group. but I like watching sexy girls in this game.
 
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Ladies Gymnastics and Ice Skating are great sports to watch!

They are very agile and lithesome!





 
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Armand2REP

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Same Chini rep claims France dopes too! :rofl:

@Ray... that is a disturbing post. :shocked:
 

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Poor girl. It's sad when such commendable achievements are rewarded with suspicion.

Shame on the Yanks. Picking on a 16 year old:tsk:
 

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Ladies Gymnastics and Ice Skating are great sports to watch!

They are very agile and lithesome!





What the frog said.

You've got me worried mate. Those girls look like toddlers.
 

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Same Chini rep claims France dopes too! :rofl:

@Ray... that is a disturbing post. :shocked:
you sound like 5 yrs old lost the arguement cause the chinese swimmer was clean, now try to use any excuse/argument to win back your face lol
 

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