China steps up drilling, intimidation

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    All this will spook all countries to join the US strategic Asia Pacific Bandwagon.

    China will be the loser.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The Vietnamese are tough cookies.

    China is up for a surprise!
     
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    Another example of the peaceful rise and more proof chinese economy is unsustainable without chinese military involvement.
     
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    Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily | Vietnam condemns China for East Sea aggression

    Vietnam condemns China for East Sea aggression

    In the past two weeks, Vietnamese fishermen have reported a rash of violent Chinese intrusions into Vietnamese waters. Some fear the incursions are part of a Chinese plot to take the East Sea by force.

    Nguyen Van Ai, 62, said he was recently chased by a group of around 30 Chinese fishing boats – escorted by a Chinese naval ship –while fishing near the Truong Sa Archipelago .

    Ai has been a fisherman for nearly 50 years and his four sons now pilot his fleet of four off-shore fishing boats.

    “I've never seen anything like it," he said. "Normally, fishing boats keep a distance from one another while fishing. Now they travel in tight groups accompanied by naval ships. It’s clear that they want to intrude into Vietnamese waters and occupy our traditional fishing grounds."

    In the past, his family used to avoid rough seas by hugging the Vietnamese island chain that has been illegally occupied by China since 1988.

    In the past two months, he said, the Chinese have fired on their boats and chased them out of the area.

    “We fishermen will never accept this occupation," he said. "These are Vietnamese waters."

    Aggression on the rise

    Duong Van Tam -- a fisherman based in Phu Yen Province’s Tuy Hoa Town -- said, these days, he sees Chinese fishing boats in Vietnamese waters every time he goes off-shore.

    “They are coming into our waters because they're being escorted by civilian coastal patrol boats," he said. "Meanwhile, we're being chased out by those ships even though we're fishing in our own waters.”

    Tam said that every time they track fish into fertile fishing grounsds, they encounter groups of Chinese fishermen.

    “Chinese fishing boats travel in large groups that are literally robbing us of our catches,” he said.

    In Quang Ngai province, fishermen have complained of a significant jump in brazen Chinese aggression in the past two weeks, according to Nguyen Thanh Nam, who mans an inland communication station for fishing boats.

    Nam has heard from a startling number of fishermen who claim that Chinsese patrols have confiscated their equipment inside Vietnamese waters.

    Heading South

    According to Nguyen Huu Hao, Deputy Director of the Binh Dinh Department of Agriculture and Rural Development, fish are abundant in the East Sea's southern areas from April to October. For the rest of the year, the fishermen must head north

    “Chinese fishing boats are reaching further south, robbing our fishermen of their livlihoods and violating Vietnam's sovereignty over the sea,” he said.

    Colonel Nguyen Trong Huyen, Chief Commander of the Phu Yen Border Guards said hundreds of Chinese fishing boats have illegally entered Vietnamese waters in a bid to claim fertile fishing grounds and seize control over the East Sea.

    He said the number of Chinese boats declined in the past few days, after members of the public and the media condemned their illegal activities.

    Nguyen Viet Chau of the Binh Dinh Border Guards said that some Chinese fishing boats have come up to 100 nautical miles off the province's coastline.

    “We've chased after them and supported local fishermen in their efforts to maintain control over our waters through their traditional activities,” Chau said.
     
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    Most neighboring countries are at odds over S. China Sea. Why does China pick up Viet Nam for muscle flexing this round?l
    - VN has de facto control over the biggest number of inhabitable islands. Despite a big claim China/TWN doesnt hold much
    - Nobody echoes the call for "Joint exploration while shelfing disputes". Everyone wants to gulp down as much as possible making "2002 guidelines" or "Codes of Conduct" nothing more than scraps of paper. VN, thanks to pumping from S. Sea, has become a significant oil/gas exporter. Now it's high time for China to demand its due of blue Lebensraum under the sunlight.
    - By inviting the US's involvement VN probably feels self assured in illusions. China gives VN a wake-up call by exerting her presence once again.
     
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    and so, bereft of its illusions of security, it pushes for more US involvement and further aligns itself in the US camp.
     
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    Indian members' logic is very funny, if China pushes, they are gonna align with US, then China will lose. But no one sees that China is already losing by doing nothing in the past.

    Chinese strategy is simple, if you want us to stand by and watch you snatching islands from us, no way. We will fight for what belongs to us. If you want to invite Americans, be my guest, American involvement will come one way or another. It is not like if China gives up South China Sea, US will let us alone. Same logic applies to Taiwan, and Diaoyu island.

    If China expects no US involvement, the only thing China should do is surrenderring to Amercians. That will solve the problem for once and for all.
     
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    We will rise peacefully if others treat us peacefully when we are rising. Peaceful rise doesn't mean surrender, doesn't mean you can operate a survey ship within my water without my permission.
     
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    ^^Peacefully? U gotta be joking. China has had territorial disputes with almost all its neighbours, and you seek lands over which you had no historical claims or control whatsoever. China is a militaristic, expansionist dictatorship that needs to be contained for its own good. Otherwise you will end up like Nazi Germany, except you will cause damage on a global scale before you go down.
     
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    Your definition of peaceful rise is the surrender of all other countries to China's definition of sovereign. Others call that capitulation.
     
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    I'm American

    By your logic China can either lose all the claimed islands and territory or go to war, it's a lose lose situation.

    Japan already has defacto control of the Senkaku islands, they refuse to remove themselves from what they view as their territory. What does China do?

    China claims what is considered by international law to be part of Vietnams EEZ (120 km from Vietnamese mainland) Vietnam disagrees with China and international law supports them, what does China do?
     
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    they may be tough as persons but it will take a lot more than that to face dragon ..... they will need equipment from the usa and i hope japan will also supply

    but it will be ironic to recveive miltary help from the very nation they were fighting a few decades ago ....i suppose that situation also draws instruction from the well known statement that there are neither friends nor enemies in politics ( and war ).
     
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    The ASEAN need to enter into a mutual defense agreement among its member states. Then they have to coordinate defense efforts and enter into an MOU in their respective claims on this disputed chain of islands. Without an internal settlement of the member states' competing claims the ASEAN as a body cannot face down China on this issue.
     

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