China Stalls India's Move On Hizbul Mujahideen, United Jihad Council Chief: Salahuddin

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  1. TejasMK3

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    China stalls India's move on Salahuddin: Officials


    Official sources also confirmed that China has put a "technical hold" on India’s request to list Syed Salahuddin.

    Despite commitments on fighting terror in the joint statement between India and China during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Beijing, officials say they are “concerned” over a series of moves by the Chinese government to stall India’s proposals at the United Nations.

    Since December 2014, India’s Permanent Mission to the UN has filed at least three separate proposals on Pakistan-based terrorists, each of which has been reportedly delayed or stopped by China at the United Nations Security Council sanctions committee on Al-Qaida and associated entities. “We are concerned about China’s persistent opposition to our terror proposals,” a government official said.

    Official sources also confirmed to The Hindu that China has put a “technical hold” on India’s request to list Hizbul Mujahideen chief and head of the ‘United Jihad Council’, Syed Salahuddin. The “technical hold” amounts to a veto on going ahead with the listing process for at least three months, as the UN Committee on al-Qaeda and associated entities, (also called the ‘1267 Committee’ for the UN Security Council resolution of 1999 that banned Al-Qaida and Taliban leaders), as the committee can only decide by “consensus”. All 1267 committee meetings are “closed-door sessions” between the 15 Security Council members, so officials depend on other diplomats to tell them which country opposes and supports a proposal.

    Sources said the hold was put on Salahuddin’s listing during a meeting of the committee in April this year, but even the discussion on India’s proposal had been delayed for months after the original request was made in September last year. During that time, the 1267 committee met more than 15 times, and agreed to add about 30 new names to the sanctioned list. The listing means all member States must cut off the entity’s finances, travel and access to arms.

    The request is a part of an Indian government initiative for years against Salahuddin, who is wanted for several Hizbul Mujahideen attacks. The United Jihad Council that he heads includes the Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad. In 2008, just two weeks after the Mumbai terror attacks, Salahuddin was photographed praying along with 26/11 key accused Zaki-Ur-Rehman Lakhvi. The Indian request to list him came after a public speech by Salahuddin in Muzaffarabad in July 2014, where he called on al-Qaeda and Taliban cadres “to fight Indian security forces in Kashmir”. Diplomats said they are puzzled by China’s move in the case as it has asked for more proof of Salahuddin’s links with the Al-Qaida. “Why should China have any opinion in the Salahuddin case, if it isn’t to help Pakistan,” one official asked, while speaking to The Hindu.

    While Chinese officials seldom speak directly on the issue, the Chinese government has long maintained its close ties with Pakistan and coordination at the UN. In an interview last September, Chinese Ambassador to India Le Yucheng had told an agency, “Pakistan is also a victim of terrorism… China, India and Pakistan ought to work together to deal with the problem of terrorism and root out the cause of terrorism.”

    Meanwhile, Salahuddin’s case is not the only one in which Indian proposals have faced resistance from China, sources said. In December 2014, India had issued several letters both to the UN and to the Pakistani government asking how LeT and Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed, who is on the 1267 list, was able to fund massive rallies in Lahore and Karachi. Most recently, last month, India’s Permanent Representative Asoke Mukerji had written a letter to the then Chairman of the Committee James McLay (since replaced), asking the 1267 committee to investigate who had paid or stood guarantee for Zaki-Ur-Rehman Lakhvi’s bail, as he too is on the sanctions list, and can have no recourse to funds. The issue is also pending with the 1267 committee, which has met twice already in May, without taking up the Indian proposals, allegedly after interventions by the Chinese Permanent Representative.

    In the joint statement between Mr. Modi and Chinese Premier Li Keqiang issued on May 15, both sides committed to fighting terror and “urged all countries and entities to work sincerely to disrupt terrorist networks and their financing, and stop cross-border movement of terrorists”. The words gave hope, one official said to The Hindu: “But we are yet to see China’s words translating on the ground in the UN.”
     
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  3. sorcerer

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    Typical Chinese move.

    Just like the Chinese Investment they promise to countries.
    :D

    One step forward and two steps back
    Thats the way the Chinese quack
     
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    These days even India wants to dictate who is a terrorist, or who has links to Al Qaeda / Taliban!? That shall be still a privilege of UNSC permanent members, isn't it?

    But what does Salahuddin have to say?
    Let's show the mirror to India for its hypocricy / doublespeak.Their forked tongue on respecting Chinese sovereignty while housing a "gvmt in exile", and their cool amusement to every killing that happened in Xinjiang.
     
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    :lol: Terror comes from your close friend Pakistan , this guy is probably helping his buddies in xinjiang in blowing up chinese citizens.
    China wonders if Pakistan is responsible for Xinjiang violence
    Fuelling violence
    United Jihad council means one thing, and you are kaffir.

    Even better
    In June 2012 in an interview, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen chief Syed Salahuddin accepted that Pakistan had been backing Hizb-ul-Mujahideen for fight in Kashmir.[2] He had declared to start attacking Pakistan if Pakistan stopped backing jihadis in Jammu and Kashmir who, he claimed, were fighting Pakistan's war

    So you know what happens when you start backing him :lol:
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    China is playing terrorist by supporting NE insurgent groups. Its time to have a efficient China policy. China can not be trusted. We should not support China in any International forum. Let them become a victim of terrorism in xinjiang and decide their next veto.
     
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    Having people of a religious and special background to visit and settle in india is not new. it has happened for era and will continue to happen. hindus and people from india have been open and willing to share and learn from such people and have no inhibition to peaceful refuge.

    also:

    Now if the Dalai Lama had come to India to seek refuge do we ask him to go to Pakistan. The Jewish people are grateful and even Christians acknowledge the history of Thomas. The history of Muslims is well known. The Bahai faith and even with Chinese people and Emperors.

    Why did Dalai Lama come to India and not Pakistan and even Taiwan. Was he creating a military alliance to attack PRC. Was he asking India to bomb PRC. It sure is not amusing what happened later in 1962 ...

    Also the Americans were pivotal and vital in the movement of Dalai Lama into India. India opened its door but it did not pull anyone in on purpose.

    https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

    (USA < - > PRC trade)

    Do we label Dalai Lama a terrorist. Do we question why PRC deals with America and looks at rules and procedures and reasonableness when in doubt and asks America for such dealings.

    What about a Xuanzang, what about Dharmaratna and Kaśyapa Mātaṅga, An Shigao, what about Hyecho, Yijing, Faxian and even stretch to Marco Polo and Battuta!!

    The coitus that is occurring between PRC and Pakistan is ridiculous and shameful and sometimes laughable for its reasons and strength. Why this thrill of making dirty cheap porn. The (normal reasonable) majority dont like watching dirty cheap porn but prefer blockbusters movies.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...n-meets-former-officials-china-source-n364461

    The PRC really entering into risky behavior. Not sure they understand the level they are bending down to. The Soviets were they Russians were they Communists what was the reasons they were attack - people dont seem to remember.

    One can also show the mirror which would be cracked in any case to the sharp backstabbing tongue of PRC on not respecting principles and recognition of India and its role in global and regional affairs for fear of being outshone.

    Really think the more mature and sensible detente that PRC needs to do with India is not being focused. PRC is not the only power in Asia and globe and India needs and will be part of that architecture. There is too much potential and benefit of India and PRC to move together.
     
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    pls reread post #4 on India's hypocrisy. India could discard the one-China mask anytime but that has nil impact on the ground reality. UNSC P5, first and foremost is the sole authority to rule who's a terrorist who's not, not India.

    ~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~
     
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    @amoy, you keep supporting terrorists and then you bitch about "knife attacks". Turkmenistanis are being trained in Pak by the same people and you morons are going gaga over Porkis.

    Neither India nor Dalai Lama was responsible was this so stop that BS.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack
     
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    Your own dear friend and Snake is behind all those Islamic Terrorism in Xinjiang and your own Communist Autocratic regime accepted it. Your love is returned with venom and that's why we are amused. :lol:

    These Salahuddin's are behind the butchering of your Han Chinese by simple axe and knife and you are happy to protect killers of your own people. We are amused. :lol:

    China is a bigger terrorist than Pakistan. You are responsible for killing Tibetans.

    Such a forked devil is this Han China the killer of Tibetians.


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    Why is there an assumption that paki terrorists will attack China going forward. Atleast I haven't heard of any attacks in China after CPEC is announced. Attacks might restart only when CPEC is not going as per Rawalpindi's expectation, that is the same tactic used with Americans and in all probability same will be used against China. My confidence is that pakis rarely deviate from their handbook, they always stick to tried and tested methods.


    Never underestimate the ability of Chinese to ignore small inconvenience to focus on big picture.
     
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    Pakistan is in a mess and can't control its own territory and ISIS and AQ et al would not go weak.This disease called Islamic Terrorism cant be tackled unless their base is attacked(Pakistan) with their sick ideology.

    If they really use tried and tested methods they would stop messing with India and thus risking with their own economy in long term.Their tried and tested methods teaches that being a lapdog of major powers would harm them in longer term but they never learn and want to find new illegal dads.

    US F**&*##%% Pakis badly and resulted in chaos/civil war and 60,000 dead.
     
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    What you have mentioned is exactly their tried and tested method.

    Look at it from pak military perspective, they need these chaos to maintain their upper hand in national politics. Yet being somebody's b&@$h, look at how fast they are replenishing their military inventory with second hand equipment. As far they are concerned there is no flip side to their strategy.

    If there is no internal conflict in Pakistan they will be focussing their full energy either on us or Afghanistan. No matter what ,pak military wants to remain in conflict mode as long as possible.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Their tried and tested method resulted in Bangladesh and now they are losing control on their own territory.

    They are caught in a web of starting terrorism.They would definitely want to focus on India/AFG but cant do now.

    A strong AFG would be bad for them since AFG is gonna kick their ass.Bangladesh is also improving slowly and going ahead of Pakis.It's good they dont share a border with terrorist Pakistan.
     
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    Exactly, we should encourage them to stick to their tried and tested strategy. Less dirt on our hands.
     
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    while i wrote earlier about Namo and his being a wee bit over-friendly with that not-supposed to be neighbour (NSBN ), i think the goi has got it basically ok , now seeing that they did do something at the myanmar border and its implications , i think the balance is about right

    one-china policy is of little consequence , unless WE take it seriously ....so we should go ahead with economic relations with taiwan and technical cooperation with them as they are pretty ok in those areas

    really, main problem we face is ourselves, the irrationality of previous UPA's, nehru and all that ridiculous stuff of disbanding the army etc

    stop our own irrationality, streamline our systems, get rid of corruption beginning with reducing it and anything else including the sh«« in the north-eastern corner which is not supposed to be there ....... is a nothing

    many indian folks have pristine qualities , many of us are the abs best in the world , second to none , i really believe that

    ....so what is missing is a goi and populace to keep the place clean, physically, crime-wise and accounting wise .....goi seems to be shaping up and i believe in giving them a fair amount of time before judging them

    .....people aam aadmi need to buck up ....never mind the crp in the north-eastern corner which should not have been there

    henry ford said every problem is an opportunity in disguise .....so we do have good opportunities ....are we brave enough, skilled enough to face these opportunities ? if we're currently not quite up to the mark , will we work towards getting there ? ....tha0's what's important

    get those few things i wrote above sorted out and we can handle any situation the way Israel does ....... and our advantage is we aint small and we have the numbers
     
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    India has no friends at the UN, hence China dictates terms.

    It may be high time to walk out of UN and let the world body operate without 120 crore people in its midst. Benifits to India are minimal. So staying or walking out is immaterial. On top of that UN will loose Indian peace keepers. US and other permanent members will find an excuse to get out of the nuclear deal. If that happens, India is at liberty to test nuclear weapons.

    Now US has to make a choice, they wish militarist China and terrorist state of Pakistan or highly intelligent but short of cash India.
     

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