China 'seriously concerned' by Philippine building in South China Sea

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    Now this is a serious violation of 'international' relations as sanctioned by China.

    It sure is a violation of the poaching by China extending her sovereignty in the SCS. Imagine poaching by Philippines on the poaching done by China!

    Just not cricket!

    I love that form China that one from China as below
    What hypocrisy!

    But that hypocrisy is that of China.

    Chori aur sina jori!
     
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    Re: China 'seriously concerned' by Philippine building in South China

    Indonesia has been balanced in its approach to China and has a very good relationship with China.

    However, it appears that even Indonesia has got tired of China's hegemonic imperialism and has spoken out.

    China with its imperialist stentorian attitude is actually being stupid and isolating the world against it.
     
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    Re: China 'seriously concerned' by Philippine building in South China

    The US has no influence with Indonesia or Vietnam.

    So China is the joker in the pack if its think the US is 'kibutzing' anyone.

    It is China with her imperialist attitude of dictating to others as if they were their vassal is what is making her looking silly by the day and is isolating herself from the world.
     
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    Re: China 'seriously concerned' by Philippine building in South China

    Note how China and its stupid policies of imperialism is allowing its bête noire Japan to rise and become it challenger as the conscience of SE Asia and Pacific.

    China is indeed creating problems for itself by its asinine imperialist pursuits.
     
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    China Slams Philippines For South China Sea ‘Hypocrisy’
    China slammed the Philippines for its hypocrisy on the South China Sea after Manila said that it would resume repair and reconstruction works there, news outlets reported Friday.

    While the Philippines had halted such activities last year and suggested other countries do so as well because it was concerned about potential effects on its ongoing legal case against China, Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario had said Thursday that it would resume some activities. The move came amid massive Chinese land reclamation efforts there which Philippine officials say is designed to bolster Beijing’s territorial claims and alter the status quo before any legal verdict is even reached by the arbitral tribunal at The Hague.

    But on Friday, China used del Rosario’s comments as an opportunity to turn the tables on the Philippines. According to Reuters, foreign policy spokesman Hua Chunying said China was now “seriously concerned” by Manila’s decision to resume works in the South China Sea, which was both an infringement of Beijing’s sovereignty and hypocritical.

    “On the one hand the Philippines makes unreasonable criticism about China’s normal building activities on its own isles, and on the other announces it will resume repairs on an airport, runway and other illegal constructions on China’s Spratly Islands, which it illegally occupies,” Hua said.

    “This is not only a series infringement of China’s sovereignty, but it also exposes the Philippines’ hypocrisy,” she noted at a news briefing. She also called on the Philippines to withdraw from the islands.:der:

    Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario had emphasized Thursday in his remarks that the Philippines would only be proceeding on repair and maintenance in the South China Sea, and such works – which would include repairs on an airstrip – would not violate the 2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea because it did not alter the status quo dramatically.

    “We are taking the position that we can proceed with the repair and maintenance,” del Rosario said according to Reuters.

    This was in stark contrast to China’s massive land reclamation activities, which del Rosario said aimed to change the status quo and enforce its infamous nine-dash line claim to control almost the whole South China Sea.:boink:

    “China is accelerating its expansionist agenda and changing the status quo to actualize its nine-dash line claim and to control nearly the entire South China Sea before…the handing down of a decision of the arbitral tribunal on the Philippine submission,” he said.

    China Slams Philippines For South China Sea ‘Hypocrisy’ | The Diplomat
     
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    isn't this same tic toc game they been play for years. nothing new, china did it, so did vietnam and phillippine. no one there can say they are right.
     
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    China sea heating up! A small scale clash is not far. 2015 is turning out to be an interesting year.
     
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    Re: China 'seriously concerned' by Philippine building in South China

    What would be interesting to watch is that China with its 'activities' is actually giving space for her old rival and one time master, Japan, to reassert herself in Asia.

    The very fact that the countries that Japan had devastated during WW II are burying their fear and loathing of Japan, and instead are seeking Japan's influence, should be ring alarm bells for China.

    And of course, there is always the USA hanging around in the background.
     
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    Re: China 'seriously concerned' by Philippine building in South China

    What would be interesting to watch is that China with its 'activities' is actually giving space for her old rival and one time master, Japan, to reassert herself in Asia.

    The very fact that the countries that Japan had devastated during WW II are burying their fear and loathing of Japan, and instead are seeking Japan's influence, should be ring alarm bells for China.

    And of course, there is always the USA hanging around in the background.
     
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    Japan is too much engrossed in worrying about its own security. Japan cannot be expected to protect any other State.
    USA is getting overstretched. If three big conflicts start simultaneously in the world, then usa will find it much harder to respond. As I have said before, middle east is the key. My fear is toppling of Saudi monarchy can be the tipping point for wwiii
     
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    Re: China 'seriously concerned' by Philippine building in South China

    Could you amplify with reasons as to why you believe so?

    Has the US 7th Fleet moved away from the Pacific?

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    Does China has a free access to the Pacific that cannot be blocked by the navies of the region acting in consort under US guidance and assistance beyond any assistance of US assets elsewhere.

    What about US' Pivot Asia?

    More than 350,000 American troops are based somewhere in the Pacific, 200 ships, the majority of the Navy is in the Pacific. And the US has five of our seven treaty alliances are in the Pacific region.

    Although the military component of pivot is important, it is in this area that the U.S. was already strongest. Moreover, it is America’s economic and political interests in the Asia-Pacific that dictate the importance of ensuring peace and stability in the region.
     
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    No one is expecting help from a country can't even assert herself in her own dispute with China.
    The most important lesson South Eastern Asians learned in 1997 was you can never count on Japanese.

    Wrong again, if Japanese failed Asians in 1997 economically, then she failed anyone who bet on them in WW2 militarily even though she was enjoying the greatest military edge against China in history.

    Yes, US is the key. But the problem is there is not much US can do except fighting a war, while Chinese has a lot ways to get what they want without shooting a bullet.
     
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    Re: China 'seriously concerned' by Philippine building in South China

    There is only one big problem with your theory - the more aggressive China gets, the more likely countries like Vietnam, Philipines, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand are going to be opening up their ports to US aircraft carriers, submarines, frigates and maybe even Air Force bases.

    Then you will have the whole 7th fleet parked in South-East Asia.......and both you and I know that the Chinese navy is nowhere close to the USN even in 20 years time.
     
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    Re: China 'seriously concerned' by Philippine building in South China

    It is your frustration that Japan is once again asserting itself and you cannot do a thing that speaks.

    The geopolitics dynamic is an ever changing kaleidoscope.

    China was once dependent on USSR (Russia), then it broke away. And now they are back together. Geopolitics!

    Japan attacked the US in WWII and today they are the best of friends. Geopolitics.

    And now, Japan is exerting herself and presenting herself as the new force which is out to defend free people of SE Asia.


    Who did Japan fail in WWII, if that is what you meant by then she failed anyone who bet on them in WW2 militarily even though she was enjoying the greatest military edge against China in history. Japan was on its own conquering nation after nation and subjugating China too, which required western help to free itself of Japan's stranglehold.

    What exactly are you alluding to by Japan failing the Asians in 1997?


    Chinese have no way over anyone.

    What exactly can China do without firing a bullet?

    Think that over.

    US 7th Fleet is a component force of the United States Pacific Fleet. At present, it is the largest of the forward-deployed U.S. fleets, with 60 to 70 ships, 300 aircraft and 40,000 Navy and Marine Corps personnel.

    It has 9 Task Forces.

    Now go add the forces of all the Nations that are affected by China outlandish claims that whatever one sees to the horizon and what is beyond, everything belongs to China!
     
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    It doesn't matter how many ports they open to US or how many US ships staying there. Chinese is not going to start a war and US made it very clear that they won't join a war which is not started by Chinese.


    Well, this whole 7th fleet can't help anything in the "attack" of Chinese bankers, companies and even sales rep.
     
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    Well, your claim is quite laughable. A country which is supposed to present herself as the new force which is out to defend free people of SE Asia is begging a 10,000 plus foreign troop to defend her homeland.




    Oh, really? As a world leading military power at the time, Japan couldn't even claim her completely victory over an agricultural country in 5 years, not to mention this country had been stuck to civil war for decades? On the contrast, after 5 years subjugating, they concluded that they were slipping into bankruptcy quickly. The only way to avoid that is: start another front. What a great achievement.

    When Asians were looking for financial aid from Japanese, they turned their back on Asians;
    When every Asian country was begging them not to depreciate their Yen. They depreciated big time.

    Such as boat smashing.

    Well, when these countries are busy accusing each other's land claim, US fleet isn't that helpful.
     
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    Begging?

    Again it show how little you understand geostrategy.

    It is in the interest of the US that it has a forward staging for contingencies in Asia, mainly China.

    Indeed Japan has changed its image from a pacifistic to an active participating Nation in the security of the free people of Asia.


    Again, you expose your ignorance of military geography.

    Strategy is as intertwined with geography.

    If you are talking about Japan in WWII, then it was all over Asia and even knocking the doors of India, with all its military resources including manpower stretched. And you think, China alone would be its centre of attention. Whatever for? China was itself fighting itself. It was being bolstered by massive aid, financial and military by the US.

    And are you aware that China's geography itself is its protection?

    Has Russia ever been captured as a whole? Again geography played its role.

    Read the 'Heartland Theory' of Military Geography.
    When Asians were looking for financial aid from Japanese, they turned their back on Asians;
    When every Asian country was begging them not to depreciate their Yen. They depreciated big time.


    In 1977, Japan's economy was in a mess and you think that they could help anyone? Their market did not collapse, but they were severely hit.

    What is boat smashing?

    It is not accusation by others. It is indignation at the blatant piracy by China that reminded them of the days of Ching Shih, who terrorised the South China Sea.
     
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    After all these words, you just can't explain why Japanese need US forces to defend them.

    Again, you exposed your ignorance of history.
    Coming to the door of India was not a part of their original plan. Why do you think they started another war while the war in China was still on?
    The so called "massive aid, financial and military by the US" didn't come until Dec 1941.

    These so called "geographic advantage" only exist for inland China. In east coast, there is no geographic obstacle to Japanese, but they still couldn't complete their mission



    No, at the time, their GDP was still bigger than other Asian countries combine; they were sitting on the no.1 Fx reserve in the world; they were enjoying the largest trade surplus in the world.
    Yes, they can help LOT! But they didn't, they even made it worse for those countries.

    LiveLeak.com - Chinese coast guard ships chase and smash Vietnamese patrol boat in South China Sea

    No, my friend, China is not the only one they accuse. They are accusing each other as well.
     
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    Only the blind cannot see only the one without brains cannot fathom.

    History is as seen by the one writing history and China is famous for fabricated history.

    It was American support of China that caused the Japanese to attack the United States bringing America into the War.

    President Roosevelt after hearing from Claire Chennault, who Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had hired him to train Chinese pilots, decided to help China build a modern air force. He signed an executive order 1940 which permitted U.S. military personnel to resign so that they could participate in a covert operation to support China (May 1940). This is significant because it was was the first direct American military action to impede Axis aggression. It was taken in the atmosphere of the fall of France and the president deciding to run for a third term. Subsequent Japanese actions beginning with the occupation of northern French Indo-China obly confirmed the President's decision to aid China. And the Magic intelligence from the cracking of the Japanese Diplomatic (Purple code) made it clear that the Japanese public protestations of a desire for peace were a diplomatic charade (September 1940). President Roosevelt approved the transfer of Curtiss P-40 Tomahawk fighters to China. They would be included in the Lend Lease Program (1941). The planes were originally slated for the British RAF which was just beginning to brace for the Battle of Britain. America woud eventually produce a phenomenal number of aircraft. At this time, howevr, production was still limited and the U.S. Army Air Corps struggling to obtain needed new aircraft. The President also secretly approved the formation of the American Volunteer Group (AVG) to fly the P-40s. These were the first modern fighters ever deployed in China. The AVG's main task was to protect the Burma Road so that supplied could continue to reach China. The all-volunteer AVG became known as Chennault's Flying Tigers. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor (December 1941) before the AVG could go into action. It thus no longer had to be a covert operation. Although very small, provide the Chinese a creditable air capability for the first time. Initially part of the AVG was deployed on both ends of the Burma Road. The Japanese invasion of Burma forced the Burma contingent to redeploy to China. It also cut off supplies over the Burma Road. The AVG continued to operate with supplies flown in from India over the Himilayas. The P-40s flown by the AVG were on paper no match for the fast, manueravble Japanese Zeros, but they were more robust and had armor protecting the pilots. Chennault developed battle tactics that enabled the Tigers to deal with the Zeros, but their major goal was to intercept the Japanese bombers hammering Chunking. ThecArmy Air Corps and U.S. Navy did not take the AVG seriously and did not adapt Chenault's tactics until losses in the Pacific forced them to adjust tactics. Eventually the AVG was formed into the U.S. 14th Air Force. Some of the Tigersjoined up, Others left China. Many of the new crews honored the AVG by also painting the shark's mouth image and referring to them selves as the Flying Tigers.

    A Japanese carrier taskforce composed of six carriers on December 7, 1941, executed a surprise attack on the American Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. It was a brilliant tactical victory for Japan, but perhaps the greatest mistake in modern military history as it brought a suddenly united America with its vast industrial capacity into the War. The Japanese launched 360 aircraft which in 2 hours struck Peal Harbor just as the American sailors were waking up on a sleepy Sunday morning. The strike sunk or heavily damaged six of the eight American battleships, thrre cruisrs, three destroyers, and most of the Army Air Corps planes on the island. America was at war.

    Are you suggesting that nibbling the coast of China by an invader means the whole of China has been captured?

    Some logic, indeed!



    Rather odd logic given the facts and the global economy of the time.

    Remember the Philippines tragedy and the peanuts given by China?

    Guess why.



    Dare to do it now.

    Not on your life.

    The US navy prowls having taken cognisance.

    The difference is that they are ready to talk it out using UNCLOS.

    China?

    No chance. They are hegemons.


    In short, your post indicates you not only don't know GEOGRAPHY, but also don't know HISTORY. And you pose to know both!

    But then none can blame you, since you know what only your Govt thinks you need to know and that too the limited access that your Govt allows its citizens to the truth, and only that which is essential for your country's propaganda and ideological values.
     
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