China Says Progress Being Made on India Border Talks!!

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    China Says Progress Being Made on India Border Talks!!


    Progress is being made on drawn-out border talks with India, China's foreign minister said on Sunday, likening the process to climbing a mountain that becomes harder the closer to the summit you get.

    The neighbouring giants have had numerous rounds of talks over the years without making much apparent process, in a dispute which dates back to a brief border war in 1962.

    Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi described the problem as one "left over from history".

    "After many years of hard efforts, the border talks continue to make progress, and the dispute has been brought under control," Wang told reporters on the sidelines of China's annual meeting of parliament.

    "At the moment, the boundary negotiation is in the process of building up small and positive developments," he said. "It's like climbing a mountain: the going is tough, and that is only because we are on the way up."

    China lodged an official protest last month when Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited one of the border regions in dispute.

    China claims the northeast Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, calling it south Tibet. Its historic town Tawang, a key site for Tibetan Buddhism, was briefly occupied by Chinese forces during the 1962 war.

    Chinese President Xi Jinping's largely successful trip to India last year was overshadowed by a stand-off between Chinese and Indian troops in Ladakh, another disputed area.

    Still, the nuclear-armed neighbours have been trying to move past the issue and concentrate on their broader relationship, which has deep historical roots. Modi is expected to visit China this year.

    Wang said he hoped the two countries were able to peacefully coexist so that the "dragon and elephant can dance together".

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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    it is exactly when they say that things are going well that we have to be extra careful
     
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    lulz ... don't trust the chinese .... but I trust Doval.
    He's incharge ....
    Har Har Doval, Ghar Ghar Doval :D
     
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    Ajit Doval is a true patriot. China India trying to solve border issue.....Many in West are not happy with this news. How are they going to make huge profits?...demand for weapons going down in Asia. Giants do not want to fight....So sad.
     
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    When the progress is congnisable, then we shall conclude that it has progressed.
     
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    i think this statement was made coz the -----is wanna sell there bullet trains to us.
     
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    Line Of Actual Control Clarification May Top Next Week's India-China Border Talks

    India and China will hold a fresh round of border talks in Delhi next week where the two sides are expected to focus on clarification of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), amid hopes to clinch a solution under the strong leadership in both the countries.

    Officials said the 18th round of talks have political significance as it will be first round of negotiations after Prime Minister Narendra Modi came to power last year, reports Economic Times.

    Special Representative and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, who succeeded Shivshankar Menon, would hold talks with his Chinese counterpart and State Councillor Yang Jiechi.

    The talks, expected to be held on March 23 and 24, is taking place in the backdrop of candid discussions between Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping during latter's visit to New Delhi in September last year.

    Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi speaks during the 13th Russia-India-China Foreign Ministers' Meeting, at Diaoyutai State Guesthouse in Beijing

    The high-profile visit was overshadowed by the intrusion of Chinese troops at Chumar in Ladakh region. It was resolved after simultaneous withdrawal by both sides after Xi's visit.

    The incident prompted Modi to suggest Xi that "clarification of LAC" would greatly contribute efforts to maintain peace and tranquillity at the border where troops from both sides often assert their claims and counter-claims.

    Xi said there might be incidents like Chumar as border is yet to be demarcated.

    Official say LAC clarification could figure in this round of talks, which are being held in the backdrop expectations on both sides that since Modi and Xi have emerged as strong leaders, the two nations had a unique chance to strike a deal. Such optimism was aired by Menon during his recent visit here.

    Significantly, the talks are also being held ahead of Modi's first visit to China expected to be before May end.

    External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj, who visited China last month to make preparations for the Prime Minister's visit, spoke about the need for an "out of the box" solution on the border issue in order to not leave it for future generations.

    Besides holding talks with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, Swaraj also met Xi and Yang.

    Wang recently said that the Indian elephant and Chinese dragon should "do more" to strengthen bilateral cooperation to clinch a final settlement of the boundary issue.

    "As for China-India boundary question, it is a legacy of history. We have worked on it for many years and made some progress in the boundary negotiations," Wang said addressing his annual press conference in early March.






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    If China and India can accept the McCartney -McDonald line as a compromise , and seal that in
    a diplomatic accord - that should be a fair compromise for both nations
    ( plus trans karakorum tract = shagsam valley returns to india )

    in accepting the McC-McD line both nations wil be making sacrifices
    otherwise no probs, time is on india's side ! :p

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    India and China start new round of talks on resolving territorial dispute

    Another round of negotiations on settling the border dispute between India and China has kicked off, the Indian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Sunday.

    "At the invitation of India's National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, China's State Councilor Yang Jiechi will visit New Delhi on March 22-24 to participate in the 18th session at the level of special representatives," the foreign ministry said.


    This will be the first round of negotiations since Narendra Modi took the office of Indian Prime Minister. In May, Modi will pay an official visit to the People's Republic of China. Both countries are interested in expanding bilateral trade ties, which is hampered by an unresolved territorial dispute.

    China claims the territory of 90,000 square kilometers in the eastern part of the Himalayas in India's Arunachal Pradesh, which the Chinese call "South Tibet." In its turn, India claims 38,000 sq km on the Aksai Chin plateau belonging to China.

    In 1962, disputes over 3,500 kilometers of border led to an Indian-Chinese war.

    India and China start new round of talks on resolving territorial dispute / Sputnik India English - News, Opinion, Radio
     
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    What to Expect From India-China Border Talks in the Modi-Xi Era
    India and China will hold direct negotiations about their border dispute this week — the first such talks since Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi came to power in India’s general elections last May. Chinese State Councilor Yang Jiechi and Indian National Security Advisor Ajit Doval are meeting this week, just six months after Chinese President Xi Jinping visited New Delhi. During Xi’s trip to India, both he and Modi indicated their seriousness about beginning talks in earnest on resolving the border dispute between the two countries. India and China, Asia’s two largest states, share a 3,380-kilometer border. There are currently two major disputed territories: Aksai Chin, which China administers but India claims, and Arunachal Pradesh, which India administers as a state in the India Union but China claims.

    It remains to be seen if this round of high-level border talks will yield any real progress. Though both Modi and Xi have amicably raised the border issue to the top of the India-China bilateral agenda, both governments continue to make moves that render a long-term resolution of the disputes untenable. On the Indian side, Chinese border incursions remain a major irritant. The most serious incursion in recent history took place in April 2013, when a People’s Liberation Army platoon set up camp for nearly three weeks on the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LoAC). Similarly, Xi Jinping’s inaugural trip to Narendra Modi’s India in September 2014 was overshadowed by a similar incursion.

    On the Chinese side, visits by senior members of the Indian central government to Arunachal Pradesh are a constant source of concern. Additionally, despite the positive rhetoric from India on the border issue, the Modi government is prioritizing the development of Arunachal Pradesh’s border areas with China — a project ignored by India’s former Congress-led governments. Kiren Rijiju, an Arunachal native and minister of Home Affairs under the Modi government, has further initiated plans to build an 1,800 km highway along the disputed border (in a bid to match Chinese endeavors in southern Tibet). The Indian government is additionally planning on actively encouraging settlements along the Arunachal border.

    It’s apparent that both sides are cautiously approaching negotiations. Still, a high-level dialogue can only be positive. The last major diplomatic agreement was the Border Defense Cooperation Agreement (BDCA), which former Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh signed on his last official trip to China before leaving office. The BDCA was a nuts-and-bolts crisis management mechanism, intended to help both sides deescalate tensions should a border incident take place. What Modi and Xi are targeting with these negotiations is far more ambitious: a process to finalize the borders between Asia’s two largest rising powers.
    What to Expect From India-China Border Talks in the Modi-Xi Era | The Diplomat
     
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    18th Round of Talks between the Special Representatives of India and China on the Boundary Question

    The 18th round of talks between the Special Representatives of India and China on the Boundary Question, Shri Ajit Doval, National Security Advisor and Mr. Yang Jiechi, State Councillor was held in New Delhi on 23 March, 2015. The talks were marked by cordiality and candour and were held in a constructive and forward looking atmosphere.

    This was the first round of Special Representatives’ talks after the new Government in India assumed Office. The Special Representatives undertook a comprehensive review of earlier rounds of the talks. They expressed satisfaction on the progress made in the negotiations and emphasized commitment to the three-step process to seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable resolution of the border question at an early date. The Special Representatives continued the discussions to reach a mutually acceptable Framework for resolution of the Boundary Question on the basis of the Agreement on the Political Parameters and Guiding Principles.

    Both Sides agreed to take necessary steps to maintain peace and tranquility in the border areas which is a pre-requisite for continued growth of bilateral relations. The Special Representatives expressed satisfaction at the growing interaction between the border forces of the two countries and agreed to further expand such contacts as these constitute important confidence building measures for maintaining peace and tranquility in the border areas.

    The Special Representatives viewed positively development of bilateral ralations following the successful visit of President Xi Jinping to India in September 2014, which was a significant event in India-China relations. The two sides agreed to build on the momentum provided by President Xi’s visit to further expand bilateral relations in areas such as railways, smart cities, vocational education, skill development, clean and renewable energy and manufacturing sector. Both sides agreed that growing linkages between Indian States and Chinese Provinces through sister-city and sister-province mechanism plays an important role in deepening bilateral ties. The two Special Representatives emphasized the importance of high-level exchanges for strengthening bilateral ties.

    The two sides exchanged views on regional and global issues of mutual interest and agreed to enhance their consultations on counter-terrorism, maritime security, climate change, reform of United Nation and civil nuclear energy cooperation.

    State Councilor Yang Jiechi called on Prime Minister Narendra Modi on March 24 and conveyed greetings of President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang.

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    Nothing much in the media about the talks! as expected about border talks!
     
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    The China-India Defense Dialogue

    Indian and Chinese officials concluded talks in Beijing earlier this month that covered a host of issues, including the establishment of new confidence building methods, joint efforts on humanitarian disasters at sea, as well as four additional points of emergency interaction between border personnel in the Ladakh region, at Track Junction, Panging Tso Lake, Demchock and Chumar. This last issue was driven byrecent confrontations between Indian and Chinese troops along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh, one of which led to a stand-off that lasted a fortnight. The dialogue also discussed initiatives to counter terrorism.

    In the background to this defense dialogue, the seventh, China has been touting its vision of linking two Indian projects (Mausam and Spice Route) with its One Belt One Road (OBOR) initiative, namely the Silk Road Economic Belt (SREB) and the 21st century Maritime Silk Route (MSR).

    Apart from its economic implications, the OBOR initiative clearly seeks to strengthen China’s regional influence, while aspiring to connect China with Africa and Europe by road, sea and rail. Funding for the initiative will be provided through the new Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), which India has recently joined as a founding member. China has created a $40 billion fund along with a financing facility for OBOR through the AIIB, which is slated to become fully operational later this year.

    However, the OBOR initiative raises potential concerns for some countries in Asia, notably Japan, India and Russia. Although China claims that the project is a “win-win” for all involved, for its part India sees a major risk in Chinese investment in Sri Lanka. Late last month, Chinese President Xi Jinping spoke of trilateral China-India-Sri Lanka cooperation with Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena. This worries New Delhi, although recent political changes in Sri Lanka have changed the equation somewhat, with the Sirisena government putting on hold the $1.5 billion Colombo Port City project, a key component of the MSR.

    Other Chinese projects, including the Bangladesh-China-India-Myanmar Corridor and the Pakistan-China Economic Corridor, raise Beijing’s strategic stakes in the Indian Ocean, particularly in Sri Lanka and the Maldives. This leaves New Delhi with something of a dilemma. By joining the MSR, India will certainly benefit in trade terms, but at the same time it sees the MSR as a hegemonic project with China’s funding ensures that it plays the dominant role.

    Significantly, China’s main goal is to coordinate regional policy so that each country’s economic development plan becomes part of a larger regional vision. The larger vision is to have a free trade areas as well as financial integration.

    China has also expressed its inclination to work with India’s Mausam and Spice Route projects. The Mausam project aims to re-connect and re-establish communications between countries of the Indian Ocean Region, enhancing understanding of cultural values and concerns. The Spice Route project meanwhile focuses on an India-centered linkup of historic sea routes in Asia, Europe and Africa.

    The Defense Dialogue this year had added significance, as Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is scheduled to visit China next month in a bid to bolster ties. Modi is likely to seek a settlement to the Arunachal Pradesh dispute – a major impediment to improved relations – while also aiming to boost trade ties and encourage more Chinese investment in India. In these aspirations, Modi is likely to be helped by apparent enthusiasm in both India and China for better ties.

    Arushi Gupta is a research assistant at the Observer Research Foundation.
    The China-India Defense Dialogue | The Diplomat
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    India Should Be Upfront In Voicing Opposition To China-Pakistan Economic Corridor

    India should be "upfront" about voicing its concern and make known its opposition over a proposed China-Pakistan proposed mega corridor project that is expected to pass through Pakistan-administered Kashmir, says a former top diplomat and negotiator.


    "What China is doing in PoK (Pakistan-occupied Kashmir) is a matter of great concern, and we should make the concern known. There is no reason why we should not be upfront about voicing opposition to what is being done," said former Indian foreign secretary Shyam Saran, addressing a talk here on Monday evening.


    According to Saran, former chairperson of the National Security Advisory Board and who has been involved in border negotiations with China, the Chinese agreement with Pakistan says that the "final disposal of the agreement will be when the Kashmir issue is resolved between India and Pakistan".


    "To say that India by raising the issue is creating an obstacle in relations is not true…I don't think India should go about giving up claims with China… That is not the right way of dealing with the relationship," Saran said at a talk on "Overcoming History: Sino-India Relations" at the India Habitat Centre.

    During Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to Islamabad, both countries agreed on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to link China's underdeveloped far-western region to Pakistan's Gwadar deep-sea port on the Arabian Sea via what is called PoK. The economic corridor is proposed to have a massive complex network of roads, railways, business zones, energy schemes and pipelines.

    Saran said that during the first half of the 1980s, India and China had discussed ways to settle the border issue, based on what was known as a "LAC plus" solution, which would entail territorial adjustments that would be politically acceptable, but the Chinese "walked back
    ". In 2005, the talks had seen some progress on the sticking points of "settled population" and the "highest watershed" on the Line of Actual Control, but the Chinese side again "started walking back", he said at the talk organized by think tank Society for Policy Studies (SPS).

    Saran also said that both sides should look at areas beyond the ticklish border issue to build convergences, like on climate change, and on certain issues on the G20 platform that both could work together on.

    "We have to deal with the relationship in the broader context, and not merely the border issue," said Saran, who is now a Senior Fellow, Centre for Policy Research.

    According to him, India and China should hold dialogue on naval and maritime issues as that could emerge as a new point of mistrust and conflict. He said both sides had agreed to hold a dialogue on maritime issues, but it did not happen. "It is essential to hold a dialogue on the issue so that we don't have a new area of mistrust," he said.


    Chinese submarines have been making port calls at Sri Lanka and other Indian Ocean rim countries, triggering concern in India.

    To the Chinese initiative of "One Belt one Road" — an economic connectivity corridor through Asia, Europe, the Middle East and Africa — Saran said that India should not have a "knee jerk reaction" to it but try and see if there are ways that India could use the corridor for its own purpose, while also dealing with the negative aspects of the corridor project.

    "Merely saying 'no' is not something that will get us far," said the expert, adding that India has "not been very successful" in pushing forward with its own initiatives like the Mekong Ganga cooperation or the Indian Ocean Rim Association.

    To the Narendra Modi government's foreign policy proposal of "Project Mausam", a transnational initiative meant to revive its ancient maritime routes and cultural linkages with countries in the region, Saran termed it "a kind of tokenism" that makes him "very uncomfortable".

    "We should be very clear in what we want to do. Merely saying we don't like it (Chinese Silk Route proposal), and come up with another slogan is not the way to deal with the challenge. We need to be far more serious and invest far more in the relationship," he said.

    Modi is set to visit China in May, when the border issue would likely be top the agenda besides economic and investment issues.




    Read more: India Should Be Upfront In Voicing Opposition To China-Pakistan Economic Corridor / Sputnik India English - News, Opinion, Radio
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