China`s Human Rights Violations

[Ray]

Cotinued

After the Party Congress, Mao moved to reduce the role of the military within the Party, and he moved against Lin Biao for reasons not easily ascertained. Perhaps Mao had come to see Lin Biao as too opportunistic and too powerful. Zhou Enlai was also opposed to Lin Biao, and Zhou also wished to reduce the role of the military in Party affairs. Unlike Lin Biao, Zhou favored improving relations with the capitalist powers -- Lin Biao favoring, instead, unending class struggle.
Mao visited regional military commanders and criticized Lin Biao. And Lin Biao was obliged to humble himself with public self-criticism. Reports suggest that Lin Biao's son, apparently outraged over treatment of his father, tried to strike back and to uphold his father's standing in the Party. This required drastic steps, namely a military coup. Lin Biao is said to have been a necessary part of his son's conspiracy -- a conspiracy, it is claimed, that intended to assassinate Mao. Someone kept the government informed of Lin Biao's activities, and the official story from China is that the government moved against Lin Biao, that on September 13, 1971 Lin Biao and his wife fled in an aircraft that crashed in Mongolia, killing all aboard.

With Lin Biao out of the way, Zhou Enlai's opening to the West took the form of what became known as the ping-pong diplomacy. A ping-pong team from the United States that had been competing in Japan accepted an invitation to China. The friendliness involved in the ping-pong matches in China was a sensation in the U.S. press, and a new atmosphere in relations arose between the United States and China. With Lin Biao out of the way, China was making gains in foreign affairs, China being admitted to the United Nations in October, 1971. And in February 1972, President Richard Nixon and his Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, journeyed to China.

With the Nixon visit, China won an improvement in its position vis-à-vis the Soviet Union. The United States announced its recognition of Taiwan as a part of China and it announced interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan issue between the Chinese. Nixon and Mao exchanged pleasantries, Nixon flattering Mao with the comment that his writings had moved China and "changed the world," and Mao said that he had been able to change "only a few places around Beijing."
Mao was now 79 and suffering from Parkinson's disease. He had regrets over the excesses of the Cultural Revolution, and many people in China had regrets about Mao. The Great Leap Forward had tarnished his image within China, as had the demise of Lin Biao. In 1972 Lin Biao was officially declared as having been a "renegade and a traitor." And some people found fault with Mao for having previously praised Lin Biao, wondering how a man who was supposed to be wise had been so wrong about Lin Biao.
Conflict continued within the Party over which direction China should take. Mao's wife, Jiang Qing, favored belligerence toward the capitalist powers, her hostility having been apparent to President Nixon during his visit. And she was still advocating cultural purity, attacking interest in Schubert, Beethoven and other Western composers.

Deng Xiaoping, who had been purged during the Cultural Revolution, was restored to prominence in the Party. Then on January 8, 1976, Deng's ally, Zhou Enlai, died of cancer. Mourning for Zhou was widespread. Deng gave the eulogy, but a rival, Hua Guofeng, was elevated to fill Zhou Enlai's position as Party leader. Deng was still thought by many as a "capitalist roader."

Students in Beijing, still clinging to Maoist idealisms, demonstrated in favor of rights for the poor and denounced "revisionists and capitalist roaders." Rival demonstrations also erupted, and, on April 5, thousands of students rioted at Tiananmen Square after finding that tributes placed there for Zhou Enlai the day before had been removed. The demonstrators displayed criticisms of Mao. Police cars were set afire. The outburst was quelled by security forces and an urban workers' militia, who arrested as many as 4,000 demonstrators. Deng was suspected of having encouraged the demonstration regarding tributes to Zhou, and those in the Party opposed to Deng rallied against him. Deng was purged again, but he was allowed to keep his Party membership.

Meanwhile, Mao's health was fading. On September 9, 1976, almost 27 years after he had declared the creation of the People's Republic of China, Mao died. A week of mourning was declared. The Soviet Union sent no condolences. Around 300,000 people filed by Mao's body and casket at the Great Hall of the People, at Tiananmen Square, but there was less emotion than had been expressed with the death of Zhou Enlai.
Hua Guofeng was declared Mao's successor as Party Chairman, and Mao's wife, Jiang Qing, and three of her fellow cultural revolutionaries were imprisoned and named the "Gang of Four." Hua Guofeng announced his plan to "obey whatever Mao had said" and to continue "whatever [Mao] had decided." Across China, Hua Guofeng's policy became known derisively as the "two whatevers" Hua Guofeng's association with Mao was of little asset, and Hua Guofeng's standing in the Party faded.

This is from various extracts.

Read Wild Swans by Jung Chang (Flamingo) to understand the reality and anguish.]


Compare it with the way India is heading!

Chalk and cheese?

What is Deng up to?

 

[redragon]

In China human rights of people does not matter, for them what matters is life style and prosperity of people, just like the same apply to animals, you kept them in air conditions farm house and good food. Rest their government can play with the lives of people all for the larger interest of their mother land.

In China, People believe to live a better life is a more important human right, that is the fundamental reason why chinese are willing to work hard and long hours, that is why chinese parents do what they can to support and emphasize education to their children and that is why China is at where it is.
I know this mind set only apply to Chinese and animals not to Indian, so you can sit on the dirt, refuse to work because of your human right and keep talking anything you want to say to make you feel your opinions are important.

 

[Armand2REP]

Deny what, deny China is a poor country? We keep emphasizing China is a developing coutry, don't you hear that?

Devleloping by its very nature means getting better, what I have mentioned China is getting worse.

Oh, really? I may not speak english as well as you do, but i can understand your post. And i know when a frensh is degrading every accomplishment you achieve and digging your country's dark side and dictating to you what you should do, that means this person bears no good will to you.

Like what? Degrading Chinese high speed trains when China doesn't make them? I make no apologies for being the Chinese Mythbuster.

I think that should be dertermined by Chinese, not by you, a French barely knows China and bears immense hatred to us.
Even if we were heading in the wrong direction, i think you should be happy, tell me would you like to see a properous China or a weak China?

When your pollution threatens my quality of life, it becomes my business. It is a little hard to be determined by the Chinese people when they live at the barrel of a gun. I want to see a China that pollutes less and contributes positive things to humanity.

You should ask Chinese if their life is improved or not, rather than being fantasizing here.

I'm sure its improved over Mao, life couldn't get much worse than that. We can ask the 100 million new converted Christians if they are happy with the new life the CCP has created.

I don't deny some Chinese products fail to meet the quality measures. But if you assert all Chinese product are defective based on these individual cases, that is an act of stereotyping.

20% according to your own government, far higher in the real world.

If what you said about Chinese products is right, then why people buy them? I dont think China has the ability to force other countries do so, like what werterners did in the past, when China refused to buy their opium, they initiated a war so sell it.

People want to save money, they don't think in a Western country with high safety standards and consumer protection they could buy junk that kills them. In China, people don't have much choice.

As for pollution, it is inevitable in the process of industrilization. But you are right China fails to pursue economy success in a clearer and more sustainable way, you can condemn us on that. I am not going to aregue with you about that some sacrifices have to be made when it comes to development.

You will condemn yourself when it is time to take the next step in development.

In fact i agree with you if China slow down its development speed, things will be better. But we can't, i dont think you can understand why we are so anxious to develop ourselves. This is because of the lesson from history, which is if we are weak, then we will be bullied, be invaded, be robbed, be killed, be exterminated. And if that happens, the consequences will be 1000000 more severe than all the consequences you mentioned above.

You have nukes, nobody is going to invade, kill or exterminate you. Cut the crap.

Thanks for your advice, i suggest you learn about the people-oriented notion raised by President Hu.

I suggest you review history, Deng Xiaoping's philosphy of the ends justify the means and the only end is to get rich is your biggest problem. Materialism cannot be your only guiding force or you will destroy yourself in the process. China has turned into one big casino that will one day be held accountable for rigging the games.

 

[Ray]

In China, People believe to live a better life is a more important human right, that is the fundamental reason why chinese are willing to work hard and long hours, that is why chinese parents do what they can to support and emphasize education to their children and that is why China is at where it is.
I know this mind set only apply to Chinese and animals not to Indian, so you can sit on the dirt, refuse to work because of your human right and keep talking anything you want to say to make you feel your opinions are important.

After what China has gone through under Mao with Famine, millions dying, then the Cultural Rev and people killed, insulted and sent for Reform Through Labour and then the other pogroms, there is no doubt that the Chinese are ready to sue for peace with the CCP and take whatever it takes so that they are left in peace!

Understandable.

In China, if you don't work or you don't fulfil your quota, then you are sent for re-education i.e. jail. So, one has to work!

 

[nimo_cn]

Armand2REP,i feel it is meaningless for me to continue this dicussion with you.
We two are from different worlds, apparently our opinions are going to converge nowhere. I am sorry that i jumped into this thread and wasted your time replying to my posts.

 

[no smoking]

After what China has gone through under Mao with Famine, millions dying, then the Cultural Rev and people killed, insulted and sent for Reform Through Labour and then the other pogroms, there is no doubt that the Chinese are ready to sue for peace with the CCP and take whatever it takes so that they are left in peace!

Understandable.

In China, if you don't work or you don't fulfil your quota, then you are sent for re-education i.e. jail. So, one has to work!

I am surprised to hear this kind of word coming from you, sir.

If this is true, then why we saw so many large scale of protest and even riots in china each year? Maybe there is no book to tell you how many CCP officers lost their positions in these occassions? Maybe you never know that CCP was the one to step back in most of these protests because your "free" media never let you know.

You see, that is why I asked you to read more book on modern china instead of china before 1976.

 

[no smoking]

Cotinued

After the Party Congress, Mao moved to reduce the role of the military within the Party, and he moved against Lin Biao for reasons not easily ascertained. Perhaps Mao had come to see Lin Biao as too opportunistic and too powerful. Zhou Enlai was also opposed to Lin Biao, and Zhou also wished to reduce the role of the military in Party affairs. Unlike Lin Biao, Zhou favored improving relations with the capitalist powers -- Lin Biao favoring, instead, unending class struggle.
Mao visited regional military commanders and criticized Lin Biao. And Lin Biao was obliged to humble himself with public self-criticism. Reports suggest that Lin Biao's son, apparently outraged over treatment of his father, tried to strike back and to uphold his father's standing in the Party. This required drastic steps, namely a military coup. Lin Biao is said to have been a necessary part of his son's conspiracy -- a conspiracy, it is claimed, that intended to assassinate Mao. Someone kept the government informed of Lin Biao's activities, and the official story from China is that the government moved against Lin Biao, that on September 13, 1971 Lin Biao and his wife fled in an aircraft that crashed in Mongolia, killing all aboard.

With Lin Biao out of the way, Zhou Enlai's opening to the West took the form of what became known as the ping-pong diplomacy. A ping-pong team from the United States that had been competing in Japan accepted an invitation to China. The friendliness involved in the ping-pong matches in China was a sensation in the U.S. press, and a new atmosphere in relations arose between the United States and China. With Lin Biao out of the way, China was making gains in foreign affairs, China being admitted to the United Nations in October, 1971. And in February 1972, President Richard Nixon and his Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, journeyed to China.

With the Nixon visit, China won an improvement in its position vis-à-vis the Soviet Union. The United States announced its recognition of Taiwan as a part of China and it announced interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan issue between the Chinese. Nixon and Mao exchanged pleasantries, Nixon flattering Mao with the comment that his writings had moved China and "changed the world," and Mao said that he had been able to change "only a few places around Beijing."
Mao was now 79 and suffering from Parkinson's disease. He had regrets over the excesses of the Cultural Revolution, and many people in China had regrets about Mao. The Great Leap Forward had tarnished his image within China, as had the demise of Lin Biao. In 1972 Lin Biao was officially declared as having been a "renegade and a traitor." And some people found fault with Mao for having previously praised Lin Biao, wondering how a man who was supposed to be wise had been so wrong about Lin Biao.
Conflict continued within the Party over which direction China should take. Mao's wife, Jiang Qing, favored belligerence toward the capitalist powers, her hostility having been apparent to President Nixon during his visit. And she was still advocating cultural purity, attacking interest in Schubert, Beethoven and other Western composers.

Deng Xiaoping, who had been purged during the Cultural Revolution, was restored to prominence in the Party. Then on January 8, 1976, Deng's ally, Zhou Enlai, died of cancer. Mourning for Zhou was widespread. Deng gave the eulogy, but a rival, Hua Guofeng, was elevated to fill Zhou Enlai's position as Party leader. Deng was still thought by many as a "capitalist roader."

Students in Beijing, still clinging to Maoist idealisms, demonstrated in favor of rights for the poor and denounced "revisionists and capitalist roaders." Rival demonstrations also erupted, and, on April 5, thousands of students rioted at Tiananmen Square after finding that tributes placed there for Zhou Enlai the day before had been removed. The demonstrators displayed criticisms of Mao. Police cars were set afire. The outburst was quelled by security forces and an urban workers' militia, who arrested as many as 4,000 demonstrators. Deng was suspected of having encouraged the demonstration regarding tributes to Zhou, and those in the Party opposed to Deng rallied against him. Deng was purged again, but he was allowed to keep his Party membership.

Meanwhile, Mao's health was fading. On September 9, 1976, almost 27 years after he had declared the creation of the People's Republic of China, Mao died. A week of mourning was declared. The Soviet Union sent no condolences. Around 300,000 people filed by Mao's body and casket at the Great Hall of the People, at Tiananmen Square, but there was less emotion than had been expressed with the death of Zhou Enlai.
Hua Guofeng was declared Mao's successor as Party Chairman, and Mao's wife, Jiang Qing, and three of her fellow cultural revolutionaries were imprisoned and named the "Gang of Four." Hua Guofeng announced his plan to "obey whatever Mao had said" and to continue "whatever [Mao] had decided." Across China, Hua Guofeng's policy became known derisively as the "two whatevers" Hua Guofeng's association with Mao was of little asset, and Hua Guofeng's standing in the Party faded.

This is from various extracts.

Read Wild Swans by Jung Chang (Flamingo) to understand the reality and anguish.]


Compare it with the way India is heading!

Chalk and cheese?

What is Deng up to?

Ok, since I realy don't have time and interest to read the whole book. So, I tried to find the comments regarding from chinese, hongkongnese, taiwanese. Unfortunately, the majority can be summed as:

A good novel book with little history value.

Some of my friends say: a book written by "westner", for westner and to westner.

 

[Ray]

Ok, since I realy don't have time and interest to read the whole book. So, I tried to find the comments regarding from chinese, hongkongnese, taiwanese. Unfortunately, the majority can be summed as:

A good novel book with little history value.

Some of my friends say: a book written by "westner", for westner and to westner.

Her family lives in China and she visits them annually. If she is wrong, she would not have got a visa and her family would be in 'Thought Reform through Labour'.

So, take a break with your propaganda!

You spoke to Taiwanese, Hong Kong chaps etc. I spoke to Mainland Chinese! Not children either!

 

[no smoking]

Her family lives in China and she visits them annually. If she is wrong, she would not have got a visa and her family would be in 'Thought Reform through Labour'.

So, take a break with your propaganda!

You spoke to Taiwanese, Hong Kong chaps etc. I spoke to Mainland Chinese! Not children either!

I am not doubting her information source. I am questioning how she interpret, explain and organise these information. What she get blamed most is that she is trying to re-paint the history to cop with westener's impression.
As to her personal experience, her so called 'suffering' was questioned by many people because her discribtion of the life during cultural revolution looks like she and her family was benefited from this chaos instead of the victim.

 

[Ray]

I am surprised to hear this kind of word coming from you, sir.

If this is true, then why we saw so many large scale of protest and even riots in china each year? Maybe there is no book to tell you how many CCP officers lost their positions in these occassions? Maybe you never know that CCP was the one to step back in most of these protests because your "free" media never let you know.

You see, that is why I asked you to read more book on modern china instead of china before 1976.

I am aware that there have been protests around in China. However, I don't take reports on China at face value of what is reported in the western or the Indian media.

I remember a report of a town, was it in Sichuan, where the Mayor's son or someone raped a girl and it was covered up. It caused a huge uproar and the Mayor, I think, was removed.

Riots have been in Tibet and Xinjiang and that was widely reported all over the world.

However, Mao believed in fomenting chaos so that his hold on power continued and he could get rid of his enemies as also keep the people's mind away from the deprivation caused by his lack of knowledge about how to improve the economy.

It is intellectuals like Deng, who has done something good for China and it is because of him that China is progressing very well.

The Chinese people have the potential, but Mao only thought of his own power! The rigid Communist ways channelise this potential so that it does not go astray!

 

[no smoking]

However, Mao believed in fomenting chaos so that his hold on power continued and he could get rid of his enemies as also keep the people's mind away from the deprivation caused by his lack of knowledge about how to improve the economy.

This is the most laughable statement i have ever read. Is this what you get from <wild swans>?

It is intellectuals like Deng, who has done something good for China and it is because of him that China is progressing very well.[/QUOTE]

Without Mao's work, Deng can't archieve that success.

The Chinese people have the potential, but Mao only thought of his own power! The rigid Communist ways channelise this potential so that it does not go astray!

Well, no one denies that Mao and CCP cause hugh loss in china's history, but without Mao and CCP, china would be far more worse than India's 1992.

So, please take a break of your propaganda.

 

[Ray]

This is the most laughable statement i have ever read. Is this what you get from <wild swans>?

It is intellectuals like Deng, who has done something good for China and it is because of him that China is progressing very well.

Without Mao's work, Deng can't archieve that success.



Well, no one denies that Mao and CCP cause hugh loss in china's history, but without Mao and CCP, china would be far more worse than India's 1992.

So, please take a break of your propaganda.

OH sure.

During Mao's time, China was a world power.

And under Deng it is a fourth world nation!

You do not a understand a good thing.

Were you there during Mao's time?

How did China's economy pick up, after the disaster by Mao, before Liu and Deng was banished and jailed?

Stop being a peasant roader!

Please accept my apologies. I did not know you are the typical Chinese peasant!

 

[no smoking]

OH sure.

During Mao's time, China was a world power.

And under Deng it is a fourth world nation!

You do not a understand a good thing.

Were you there during Mao's time?

How did China's economy pick up, after the disaster by Mao, before Liu and Deng was banished and jailed?

Oh, without the industry system, eduction system and scentific system built by Mao, the best result Deng's reform can get is a just biger indonisia.

Stop being a peasant roader!

Please accept my apologies. I did not know you are the typical Chinese peasant!

No, you don't need to apologise as I already knew you are the typical indian - closing individual mind.

 

[Ray]

closing Indian mind is better than opium induced hallucination!

Peasants require such stuff. Intellectuals don't!

 

[Ray]

No comments on Houkow and Danwei?

These laws make you under control of AUTHORITY and without a wish and will of your own!

My dogs at home have to do exactly what I want!

 

[no smoking]

closing Indian mind is better than opium induced hallucination!

Peasants require such stuff. Intellectuals don't!

Well, I am sick of this kind of words. If you want to have decent discussion, pls list your oppinion and prove me wrong. Otherwise, I don't have time on these teasing games.

 

[no smoking]

No comments on Houkow and Danwei?

These laws make you under control of AUTHORITY and without a wish and will of your own!

My dogs at home have to do exactly what I want!

Ok, let me explain to you what is HuKou and what is Danwei.

The orginal aim of hukou was used as the certification of being supplied. It was the product of central planning economy. From 1949 to 1985, china had been short of basic living material, food, cloths, almost everything. In order to satisfy everyone's basic demand, CCP had to employ a fixed distribution policy (I don't know the english words), which means each person has his or her fixed amount of food and other living material from local state-owned store. Each district was responsible to supply its own residents as planned. So, you can only get your share of supply with your hukou from where you live. If you want buy food or other thing in other district, you will have to pay a very high price for it as every district doesn't have much spare material for outsider or traveller.

Since 1986, with the development of chinese economy, Hukou was not necessary for purchase any more. Instead, it became a system to reduce the speed of urbanization. For example, if you choose to stay in Beijing when you don't have Beijing hukou, you must have a decent job which can support your life in beijing or you at least have a decent living place. If you don't have either of them, then you may get deported.

Regarding Danwei, that is where you work. Before last 80s, everyone had the same employer--CCP. So, you can say you are controled by Danwei at the time. But today, it is a completely different story, you can choose to work for CCP or gov, or any other private company, it is up to you.

So, please, Ray, do some homework before making up your oppinion. If you don't know sth, you can ask.

 

[atleast_a_bronze]

2009, a black year for human rights and democracy in China

Human rights protection in China faced significant setbacks in 2009 as the Chinese government, emboldened by increasingly weak international criticism of its rights record, failed to reform the legal system and instead pursued politically-motivated attacks, including long-term prison sentences, against dissidents, human rights defenders, civil society advocates, Tibetans and Uyghurs as well as ordinary people with complaints, Human Rights Watch said in its annual World Report, released yesterday.

Just in December of last year, the Chinese government showed how much it disregarded human rights, both at home and abroad.

On 19 December, as a result of its pressure on the Cambodian government, Beijing received 20 Uighur asylum seekers forcibly repatriated. The United Nations High Commission for Refugees voiced deep concern because of the high risk of torture, disappearance, and arbitrary detention they faced upon return.

On 25 December, the Beijing Intermediate People's Court sentenced veteran dissident Liu Xiaobo (pictured) to an 11- year prison term for "incitement to subvert state power" because of his contribution to the drafting of "Charter 08," a political manifesto that calls for human rights and the rule of law in China. Liu has been in prison since 8 December 2008.

On 28 December, the Xining Intermediate People's Court sentenced Tibetan filmmaker Dhongdup Wangchen to six years behind bars on charges of "inciting separatism" for producing a documentary film, Leaving Fear Behind, which criticised Chinese government policies in Tibet. Police arrested Wangchen in March 2008 and judicial authorities arbitrarily replaced his attorney, Li Dunyong, with a government-appointed lawyer. Wangchen was allowed to meet with Li only once, in July 2009, who reported that his client had been tortured.

On 31 December, a Sichuan court sentenced Phurbu Tsering, a senior Tibetan cleric, to an eight-year prison term on politically motivated charges of illegal weapons possession. Phurbu stated in court that his confession was extorted whilst in prison—police interrogated him continuously for four days and nights, and threatened to arrest his wife and son. Despite Phurbu's statement, the court admitted the confession without making any inquiry.

In February 2009, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that human rights "shouldn't interfere" in the US-China relationship. Similarly, President Barack Obama decided not to meet the Dalai Lama prior to his November visit to Beijing. Whilst in China, Obama raised human rights broadly in his public statements but did not directly engage pressing issues of freedom of expression, religious minorities, the disbarment of civil rights lawyers, or ongoing crackdowns in Xinjiang and Tibet.

The European Union gave in to Chinese pressure and limited NGO participation in an EU-China Human Rights Seminar”.

“That the Chinese government this year released a national action plan on human rights is ironic, as its real plan seems to entail steadily curtailing—not protecting—rights,” said Sophie Richardson, Asia advocacy director for Human Rights Watch.

In the meantime, the list of abuses gets longer by the day. On 25 December, a court in Jiangsu sentenced in a closed hearing dissident Guo Quan to ten years in prison on subversion charges because he organised a political party in Xinmin.

The Shanghai Intermediate Court upheld the “light” sentence of one and half year inflicted on activist Duan Chunfang for "obstructing official business" after police alleged she attacked an officer. Her lawyer said instead that the conviction stems from efforts by officials to punish her for persistent petitioning and organising other petitioners to defend their rights.

On 17 December, the Fujian Provincial Department of Justice suspended lawyer Lin Hongnan’s licence to practice for a year. He had defended many pro-rights activists and had been repeatedly threatened.

 

[Ray]

Ok, let me explain to you what is HuKou and what is Danwei.

The orginal aim of hukou was used as the certification of being supplied. It was the product of central planning economy. From 1949 to 1985, china had been short of basic living material, food, cloths, almost everything. In order to satisfy everyone's basic demand, CCP had to employ a fixed distribution policy (I don't know the english words), which means each person has his or her fixed amount of food and other living material from local state-owned store. Each district was responsible to supply its own residents as planned. So, you can only get your share of supply with your hukou from where you live. If you want buy food or other thing in other district, you will have to pay a very high price for it as every district doesn't have much spare material for outsider or traveller.

Since 1986, with the development of chinese economy, Hukou was not necessary for purchase any more. Instead, it became a system to reduce the speed of urbanization. For example, if you choose to stay in Beijing when you don't have Beijing hukou, you must have a decent job which can support your life in beijing or you at least have a decent living place. If you don't have either of them, then you may get deported.

Regarding Danwei, that is where you work. Before last 80s, everyone had the same employer--CCP. So, you can say you are controled by Danwei at the time. But today, it is a completely different story, you can choose to work for CCP or gov, or any other private company, it is up to you.

So, please, Ray, do some homework before making up your oppinion. If you don't know sth, you can ask.

One can explain that Lucifer was an angel too.

India too got Independence near the same time as the China became Communist. It was not bountiful and overflowing with resources either. Yet, it did not impose that people cannot move out of their areas on grounds of central planning and such stuff.

Hukou meant you could NOT leave the area where you were born and where you were destined to die. A bird in a gilded cage! Den Wei meant that your workplace decided every move of your life including marriage, children etc.

In short, human beings are made into mere robots by the Chinese system! Robots! Zombies!

I don’t require to burn the midnight oil. I have already done so long time back.

You can instead stop throwing sand in the eyes.

Heard Ms Clinton's speech?

I am sure you haven't since it would not even appear on Chinese internet because of blocking by the Chinese CCP govt!

 

[no smoking]

Hukou meant you could NOT leave the area where you were born and where you were destined to die. A bird in a gilded cage! Den Wei meant that your workplace decided every move of your life including marriage, children etc.

In short, human beings are made into mere robots by the Chinese system! Robots! Zombies!

Wrong, Hukou doesn't restrict your leaving the area where you were born and where you were destined to die. Otherwise, you cannot explain how hundredes millions immigrant workers can stay in the east coast.

In contrast, it restrict where you want to stay. You can move around in china without any problem, but if you want to stay in an area for a quite long time(i.e. more than 1 year), you have to prove youself either with a stable job or a big wallet.

So, the major argument about this Hukou is focus on its discrimination on the poor. Under this system, the poor immigrant worker was not entitled to any social wellfare in the area where their contribution is critical for area development. Meanwhile, there is human right violation case to those were forced to return due to no job or money.

Heard Ms Clinton's speech?

I am sure you haven't since it would not even appear on Chinese internet because of blocking by the Chinese CCP govt!

Well, I knew it! Sometime, you will raise this "brainwash" again. The fact is I am an australian citizen living in sydney, so cut your crap please.

By the way, why should I listen to her speech. I think as a chinese origin, I know far more information about china society than she does, just as you know far more information about india than me.