China red-flags India’s entry into NSG, may push for Pakistan

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  1. Free Karma

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    China red-flags India's entry into NSG, may push for Pakistan - The Times of India

    the Pak bit seems like a joke as no other country would accept it, just seems like posturing.
     
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    just wait and watch India will crash ram into the NSG group. and Chinese should start taking Iodised salt, cause if India cant make it into NSG then entry of Pakistan can't be even dreamed of.
     
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    Chinese have already started feeling a hot sensation at their back side and that has come a bit too early, to my expectation...

    Why is Chinese so nervous so early? :) You have just lost one of the pearls [read Sri Lanka] from your string of pearls and more to come for sure…

    China has pissed off a man like Modi who was most favourable to China some 8 months back... Now enjoy the consequence...
     
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    This was to be expected. Wait for the day when India's name will be proposed for the UNSC.
     
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    With all the military might the China farts from time to time...why should they feel threatened?
    Pakistan...of all countries these ass people want to bring in a failed terrorist state Pakistan into the group. That itself shows the level of political maturity of China.
    Ohh...This must be another deception!!! [If you are Chinese, you will defenitely fail to notice the Sarcasm]
     
  7. Srinivas_K

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    China responded cautiously regarding the entry of India into NSG group. China never said it rejects the NSG membership for India.

    Indian media is going ballistic when it comes to China. There is no need for eye catchy headlines promoting rivalry between the two countries.
     
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    Not really, see this from 2013, a report from an NSG meeting:
    China red flags India move to join NSG - Indian Express

    I think they want to make sure India signs the NPT, and make sure that only "responsible powers" join. (yes China talking about being responsible :lol:). I think they might be worried about us arming someone like the Vietnamese with nukes, even though Vietnam is nowhere near Pakistan in terms of craziness.
     
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    With Obama in India, China Hosts Pakistan’s Army Chief

    While U.S. President Barack Obama watched India’s Republic Day parade as the chief guest, China welcomed Pakistan’s army chief, General Raheel Sharif, to Beijing for talks
    . While in the Chinese capital, Sharif met with General Qi Jianguo, deputy chief of the PLA General Staff, General Fan Changlong, vice chairman of China’s central Military Commission, and Yu Zhengsheng, the chairman of China’s top political advisory body, the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC).

    The main focus of the visit was on Pakistan’s anti-terrorism efforts. Pakistan launched a major counter-terrorism operation, code-named “Zarb-e-Azb”, last summer. The military offensive has reportedly killed in part targeted terrorists affiliated with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), a radical group that seeks to create an independent state out of China’s Xinjiang province. China, which grew increasingly worried about Pakistan’s security situation as terrorist attacks on Chinese soil escalated last year, applauded the operation. However, concerns about Pakistani security continue to dog China, both due to worries about stability in Xinjiang and because of the way instability hinders bilateral economic cooperation, including plans for a China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

    In the wake of a deadly attack at a Peshawar school, Pakistan’s government promised to double down on its efforts to eradicate terrorism within its borders. During his trip to China, Sharif was expected to brief his Chinese counterparts on Islamabad’s progress in that respect, according to Pakistani media. Sharif was also set to discuss general security and defense cooperation issues with China.

    The director-general of Pakistan’s ISPR summarized Sharif’s trip in a series of tweets sent on Monday. According to the tweets, Gen. Fan was highly complimentary of Pakistan’s anti-terrorism efforts, calling Operation Zarb-e-Azb “decisive, bold, [a] hard blow [for] terrorists, [and] indiscriminate.” Pakistan has come under fire by some critics for continuing to employ a double-standard when it comes to fighting against terrorism, despite promises from Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif that Pakistan will not draw a distinction “between good and bad Taliban.” Fan’s description of Zarb-e-Azb as “indiscriminate” will be much appreciated by Pakistan’s military.

    During Sharif’s stay, his Chinese counterparts uniformly offered China’s full support for Pakistan anti-terrorism operations. “China will, as always, give firm support to Pakistan’s efforts to combat terrorism,” Xinhua quoted Fan as saying. In particular, ISPR said Sharif and his Chinese counterparts decided to enhance long-term defense collaboration, security and counter-terrorism cooperation, intelligence sharing, and training exchanges. All of Sharif’s meetings also emphasized the close, lasting friendship between China and Pakistan, with officials employing the usual rhetoric that the two countries are “iron brothers” and “all-weather friends.” [ IRON BROTHERS?
    :pound:]

    The symbolism of China and Pakistan renewing their friendship while India and the U.S. enjoyed a love-fest was not lost on outsider observers. China’s close historical relationship with Pakistan has long been a stumbling block for closer China-India ties. With Modi injecting new energy into the India-U.S. relationship, China may have been reminding India that Beijing also has other friends active in the region.

    Yet Chinese media tried to downplay any sense that it felt threatened by Obama’s visit to India. “It is hoped that the development of U.S.-India relations will help promote mutual trust and cooperation among countries in the region, and safeguard peace, stability and prosperity of the region as well,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said in Monday’s press conference. A Xinhua article confidently argued that the Obama-Modi meeting “is not expected to significantly impact the longstanding China-India relations.”

    An op-ed in Global Times rejected the very idea that India and China are at odds. “This fixed pattern of thinking was created and hyped up by the West, which, with ulterior motives, regards the ‘Chinese dragon’ and the ‘Indian elephant’ as natural rivals,” the piece argued. Still, the commentary also warned that India “is sliding into” the Western trap of a “zero-sum game” between China and India. Both Xinhua and Global Times pointedly argued that India needs China to complete its own development goals. China’s embrace of Pakistan may be a subtle reminder that India should take care not to distance itself too far from Beijing.:pound:


    With Obama in India, China Hosts Pakistan’s Army Chief | The Diplomat
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    Chinese embracing a IRON BROTHER in suicide vest to counter progress in India . Thats some logic!!!
     
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    India entry will be made difficult and for good reason ... no one ought to follow in its footsteps in the same way. India is a special case and because of its stature, commitment and ability. Good things also take time.
     
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    BEIJING: China on Monday extended conditional support for India's Nuclear Suppliers Group membership bid but said "prudence and caution" needs to be exercised on the issue, a day after US President Barack Obama backed India's inclusion into the elite 48-member body.

    "We believe that such (an) inclusion should be conducive to the integrity and effectiveness of the regime and decision should be made on consensus. We notice India's commitment to relevant issues," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said at a media briefing.

    Caution needs to be exercised on India's NSG inclusion: China - The Times of India

    USA or China will work for their own benefits, If Pakistan is included in NSG then Pakistan is free to get reactors from any country including Russia. At the moment Chinese are venturing into Pakistan and USA is waiting to tap huge market in India. I think after the nuke agreements and considerable business from India USA will push forward for NSG membership for India.

     
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    If China holds up India's entry into NSG, then put a hold on Chinese exports to India.
     
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    Why are Chinese threatened by India's nsg entry? Because energy is the key
    To India's economic growth.
     
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    China joined the NSG after signing the NPT and CTBT, just like all the existing membes. India has signed neither of them. They don't fear India, they're just opposed to double standards applied by some countries.
     
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    The nuclear deal with USA has NPT ,ctbt and FMCT covered. There are extra clauses like the
    Hyde act which give extra coverage and 123 agreement.

    http://www.shu.edu/academics/diplomacy/upload/Hosur_article__IndoUS.pdf
     
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    If it is all covered, what is holding you back from officialy signing these treaties?
    What if India conducts new nuclear tests? Are there any guarantess that she won't risk such endeavour?
     
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    Deal is completed it doesn't make a difference if Chinese put their two cents in.
    The holdup was a nuclear liability guarantee. India wanted to prevent any tragedy like
    Bhopal from happening. Russia and France Have certain number of reactors agreed and USA and japan have a set number. Australia is supplying the uranium
    The delay was mostly because of this liability.


    http://www.livemint.com/Politics/rs...cuss-ways-to-operationalize-nuclear-deal.html
     
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    This is not the answer to my question Sir. If all the treaties are covered, why is India reluctant to sign the NPT and CTBT?

    And the liability was not the major issue, it was the US' demand to keep track of all foreign nuclear purchases, their use and movement. I believe US waived it now.
     
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    IMO you will see india sign these after/during entry in nsg.
     
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    If India does so, Pakistan will follow suit and China will have no problem welcoming India into the NSG and push for Pakistan's entry too.

    China didnot oppose the 123 agreement, it was the media which hyped like it is doing now with the current nuclear deal.
     
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    Almost all elements of NPT ,ctbt and FMCT are incorporated in india us nuclear deal and
    Individual nuclear deals with other nations. Whatever is left is. Nothing more than bureaucracy
    Politics and formality.
     
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