China Reaction To Agni V Test

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For the china

if have power then you don't need to tell anybody who is powerful.On news paper what it showing you can understand ?
 

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With no offence meant, but this is a cricketing term - India bowled a chinaman!

Chinaman .

a left-handed bowler bowling wrist spin (left arm unorthodox). For a right-handed batsman, the ball will move from the off side to the leg side (left to right on the TV screen). Named after Ellis "Puss" Achong, a West Indian left-arm wrist-spin bowler of Chinese descent

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On a par with China, India didn't inform neighbour about launch

India did not formally inform China about the launch of its intermediate-range ballistic missile Agni-5 from the Odisha coast yesterday, although it did notify all the other big powers about the event. According to government officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, China was the only permanent member of the UN Security Council that Delhi did not speak to about the launch.

In fact, in the wake of the highly successful test that makes India the only developing country on a par with other missile powers like the US, China, Russia and France, and brings most of China under its radar, the ministry of external affairs continues to deliberately down-play the event. The Agni-V launch finds no mention at all on its website.

The officials pointed out that a general notice to marine traffic (NOTAM) had been issued and certainly with the Indian media widely talking about it, "there was nothing secret about the launch of the Agni-5."

Delhi's refusal to beat its chest is part of its recent pragmatic approach to foreign and security affairs, borrowed from the Deng Xiaoping school of thought, that it should keep its head down while pursuing a goal of making India a country to be reckoned with, which includes the maintenance of high economic growth.

According to Srikanth Kondapalli, professor of Chinese studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, "Even if you have hundreds of Agni-5 missiles, the fact is that a nuclear weapon is a political weapon, it is a deterrent, it is never going to be used. However, the successful launch of the missile demonstrates to the Chinese that if you cross the red lines, India will have to think twice."

That is why, government officials said, Delhi would continue to engage with the Chinese government as if it were business as usual. "The Chinese respect strength. We are not here to poke each other in the eye, but to continue to engage as equals," one official said.

The officials, who said they were happy that missile man and Defence Research and Development Organisation chief V K Saraswat had been much more restrained in his reactions this time, noted he had said the Agni-5 needed a couple of more validation tests.

Over the next three months, Indian and Chinese officials and experts will meet on three occasions to talk about diverse issues, from a conversation on trans-border rivers and consular matters, as well as a maritime dialogue in which everything from deep sea mining to keeping the Indian Ocean lanes secure and free for trade traffic.

The decision to keep the Chinese engaged flows from the highest echelons, from none other than National Security Adviser Shivshanker Menon, former foreign secretary and China hand. At the same time, Delhi has decided to ramp up its engagement with the US and Japan, both powers keenly interested in the rise of the East Asian power.

Only a few days ago, US pointperson on China Kurt Campbell concluded a dialogue on East Asia with his Indian counterpart in the MEA, Gautam Bambawale. Both sides discussed a range of issues from Myanmar to the failed North Korean missile test to the transition of power in Beijing this year.

The US, of course, describes its interest in Asia as a "strategic pivot," while India, much more reticent, prefers the 'Look East' umbrella designation.

Besides the East Asia dialogue, now in its fifth round and having lasted more than two years, and in which officials from the ministry of defence, as well as the National Security Council Secretariat participate, the deepening India-US engagement can be seen in the upcoming trialogue with Japan, slated for next week in Tokyo.

No wonder US State Department spokesperson Mark Toner said he wasn't surprised by India's Agni-5 test launch, admitting the US had known beforehand. India has a solid non-proliferation record, Toner added, and engages with the international community on non-proliferation issues, in what amounted to a thinly-veiled endorsement of India's missile test.

Russia's Pravda newspaper, once the official organ of the state but now privately owned, noted that India was now 'capable of striking Beijing and Shanghai,' while Germany's Deutsche Welle news-site described the Indian military as making "strategic strides."

The international reaction was in sharp contrast to the angry positions taken by some of the Chinese media, notably the Global Times, widely stated to reflect the more nationalist as well as righteous positions mostly articulated in China's powerful People's Liberation Army (PLA).

A cartoon in the Global Times, illustrated by Liu Rui and called 'Fire from the Sky,' probably best captures this nationalist mood. The cartoon depicts a missile with the Indian flag on it that has crash-landed on an ocean bed, while a startled mermaid is busy protecting sundry whales and other ocean life.

Kondapalli noted that the official Chinese reaction to India's missile test was fully restrained and mature (both countries are "emerging powers, we are not rivals, we are cooperative partners," said spokesman Liu Weimin) and described the contradiction as the "turbulence of a rising country."

At a time of shifting power equations in Beijing, the Communist Party of China's general secretary-designate Xi Jinping, as well as outgoing general secretary Hu Jintao, will be the only two civilians in China's all-powerful Central Military Commission, Kondapalli said, pointing out that China's generals will continue to dominate a section of the rhetoric for some time to come.

The PLA is believed to have its own ballistic missile programme and is said to have considerably aided both Pakistan and North Korea in the creation of their own missile programmes. That is why the failure of the recent North Korean missile launch is "so interesting," the anonymous Indian officials said.

But they also admitted that India should look carefully at the patronising tone adopted by newspapers such as the Global Times, instead of dismissing them out of hand.

In a widely-quoted article called 'India being swept up by missile delusion,' the newspaper said, "China understands the Indian desire to catch up with China. China, as the most appropriate strategic target for India, is willing to take India as a peaceful competitor.

Adding: "Due to historical reasons, China and India are sensitive toward each other. But objectively speaking, China does not spend much time guarding against India, while India focuses a lot of attention on China. China hopes India will remain calm, as this would be beneficial to both giants."
 

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Frankly China is worried more now, We had nukes all along from 1974 The P2 in 1998 reinforced it, but what we were lagging was delivery system. Slowly we were making up numbers in delivery systems but still there major population centers were away from our range. Even the news of Arihant didn't rattled them, because it was lacking a potent delivery system. Now with Agni V suddenly they find themselves threatened by nukes. Also there policy of bullying others has made sure that no other nation (I am not counting pakis as pakis doesn't matter) is worried about it. That is the reason them making noises about able to hit Europe.

The point to ponder is how the PRC will respond to this? Will they respond by increasing there proliferation activities and becoming even more aggressive in dealing with others. Or they will try to accommodate others? Interesting times ahead
 

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Nothing has changed in strategy level by a pr rocket, you indians might get what you want in 10 years, but not at this moment.
 

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You are absolutely right: China lost way too many soldiers in Korean war, that is one reason she has tried very hard to modernize her troop. BTW, is this relevent to this thread?
Very relevant indeed. You guys go to war on a dictat. We will go to war to defend what is rightfully ours. There are 2 different thought processes here.

We believe in live and let live. What do you believe in?
 

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Nothing has changed in strategy level by a pr rocket, you indians might get what you want in 10 years, but not at this moment.
You are day dreaming. With AGNI 5 we can hit any part of CHINA and we young INDIANS no need any missile which can go beyond that. What we wanted we got that and it is AGNI 5 and from now on wards you Chinese cannot bully around ASIA.
 

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Frankly China is worried more now, We had nukes all along from 1974 The P2 in 1998 reinforced it, but what we were lagging was delivery system. Slowly we were making up numbers in delivery systems but still there major population centers were away from our range. Even the news of Arihant didn't rattled them, because it was lacking a potent delivery system. Now with Agni V suddenly they find themselves threatened by nukes. Also there policy of bullying others has made sure that no other nation (I am not counting pakis as pakis doesn't matter) is worried about it. That is the reason them making noises about able to hit Europe.

The point to ponder is how the PRC will respond to this? Will they respond by increasing there proliferation activities and becoming even more aggressive in dealing with others. Or they will try to accommodate others? Interesting times ahead
If the Chinese are thinking about a peaceful ASIA for becoming more developed and maintaining a good economy they will not aggravate the situation and will want to convince everyone that they will not act aggressively.

If not, I mean if they choose to aggravate the situation then we may see a small skirmish like the 1962, but they will get a bloody nose this time around from the INDIA ARMY as it is not 1962 anymore and INDIA has developed its DEFENCE INFRASTRUCTURE for defending ourselves in such a type of attack.
 

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Nothing has changed in strategy level by a pr rocket, you indians might get what you want in 10 years, but not at this moment.
Apply the same logic to the J-20 Chicom:cool2:

Unfortunately for you the missile program is run quite competently(like the space program) and the Agni 5 builds upon the strength of the already existing Agni 3, sharing several vital components from the earlier missile and the guidance system from the Agni 4.

The J-20 and that carrier the Chini navy uses are both PR stunts... on a much larger and wasteful scale...
 

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To be frank I think China would be more afraid had India declared that no longer 40% of India's children were considered malnourished. China lived under US and/or Russia's nuclear blackmail for over 40 years with no panic, now India wants to join the fun, fine but I'm afriad India is in for more than she can chew.
Eating lizards, snakes, locusts, grasshoppers is by no means considered food by majority of humanity. We put these dead animals in trash. And you guys eat trash. Malnourished or not, we do not eat trash.
 

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Check others' records for making their first reliable ICBM and SLBM.
There are several advantages to starting late, politics for one, if GOI pulled a stunt like this in the mid-late 80's right after china's ICBM, our space and civilian programs would be in jeopardy.
 
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Eating lizards, snakes, locusts, grasshoppers is by no means considered food by majority of humanity. We put these dead animals in trash. And you guys eat trash. Malnourished or not, we do not eat trash.
Typical East Asian Mleccha culture:toilet:.....
 

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An epic comment by a BR guru on Chinese behavior:cool2:

An analogy: China has been silently farting in the lift for quite some time. Compare the fart with silently proliferating nukes and missiles to NK/ Pak. It also partially succeeded in getting Pak to point to others in the lift that India was farting and responsible for the smell. Others in the lift were not too sure who was farting. But with the NK TEL saga and other proliferation scandals exposing China..they were becoming less sure if India was the source of the fart.After the A-V test China loudly and firmly pointed that India farted..But with the latest developments in perspective others quietly moved away from China in the lift to show that they now know who has been farting all along..that galls China no end for sure. :D
One more, same person:cool2:

The loud fart that India let out was considered an act of frustration at China's persistent silent and pugnacious ones. China is galled that even though India farted loudly the rest clustered around India leaving China standing alone. It's like telling them the loud fart from India didn't smell..as much as the silent slinky ones they've been doling out along and pointing at others. Rather than the missile it is from that which they are smarting :)
HEHEHEHE!!!!
 
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If the Chinese are thinking about a peaceful ASIA for becoming more developed and maintaining a good economy they will not aggravate the situation and will want to convince everyone that they will not act aggressively.
That's the behavior expected, but let's see how the things pan out

If not, I mean if they choose to aggravate the situation then we may see a small skirmish like the 1962, but they will get a bloody nose this time around from the INDIA ARMY as it is not 1962 anymore and INDIA has developed its DEFENCE INFRASTRUCTURE for defending ourselves in such a type of attack.
IA start being pre 1962 IA in 1963 itself. It's good not to forget the past, but sticking to it is the problem. I don't know why we keep repeating it. We have kicked them around in 1967, in operation brass tacks. Again in Kargil time when they tried to take over DBO. They are in no position to change the boundary, with the new mountain divisions, we are actually planning for an offensive, the next war should be for freedom of Tibet nothing less then that. :D
 

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Check others' records for making their first reliable ICBM and SLBM.
How does it concerns us.?

We are not here to prove anything to anyone.

It is just a normal technological event as far as we are concerned.

Now if others are pained, fear crazed or having dast, well, that is their problem.
 

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Nothing has changed in strategy level by a pr rocket, you indians might get what you want in 10 years, but not at this moment.
Never underestimate your enemy.If you do it will be at your peril.India is the only country in Asia that has the mass to take on PRC and believe me this will happen one day unless PRC stops acting in arrogant and aggressive way towards its neighbours.And one more issue - Tibet and East Turkmenistan are independent nations under illegal occupation by a foreign power.
 

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relax China it is just a test, more to come in years.....................:rofl:
 

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