China Reaction To Agni V Test

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  1. desicanuk

    desicanuk Regular Member

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    The official reaction from the Foreign Ministry in Beijing was unprovocative and sort of conciliatory.That was an exercise in calculated PR for the international media.However PRC ruling clique's reaction is reflected in The Global Times - the English language mouthpiece of the
    ruling politburo.

    "India should not overestimate its strength. Even if it has missiles that could reach most parts of China, that does not mean it will gain anything from being arrogant during disputes with China. India should be clear that China's nuclear power is stronger and more reliable. For the foreseeable future, India would stand no chance in an overall arms race with China.
    India should also not overstate the value of its Western allies and the profits it could gain from participating in a containment of China. If it equates long range strategic missiles with deterrence of China, and stirs up further hostility, it could be sorely mistaken"
    http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabi...being-swept-up-by-missile-delusion.aspx]India being swept up by missile delusion

    Well,well,well.Frankly, I think Beijing is a wee bit perturbed!!
     
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  3. p2prada

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    They touched so many topics at once, all in 100 words.:rolleyes:
     
  4. Yusuf

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    The GT Article was quite like out 50 cent trolls here who come here to tell India has nothing to eat, nothing to wear etc . Further proof of a nation full of trolls.
     
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    India is no overestimating her strength.

    It is merely showing its strength.

    And that has got China's pant yellow.

    No fault of India if one cannot control their rectal orifice!
     
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    Probably the Chinis underestimated Indias capacity. They keep saying India does not have the proper industrial base to produce anything. Something that we get to know from the 50 cent army. So it has riled them no end to see India actually come up with a good weapons platform.
     
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    Will India's missile test trigger arms race with China?

    BBC News - Will India's missile test trigger arms race with China?


    By Jonathan Marcus

    BBC Defence Correspondent


    India's test firing of an Agni-V ballistic missile this week is a potent signal of the country's growing nuclear capabilities.

    The weapon - with a range of more than 5,000km (3,100 miles) is capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to the Chinese capital Beijing. The Agni-V is the latest in a series of Indian-developed missiles of varying ranges and capabilities.

    It will become operational within about two years, adding significantly to India's nuclear punch.

    So should China be worried? Probably not, according to US nuclear expert Taylor Fravel, an associate professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

    "The missile has been under development for some time," he told me, "and is already factored into Chinese planning.

    "The development of this missile does not undermine China's own deterrent capability," he says, "even though it may strengthen India's. China retains the ability to survive a first strike by India, however unlikely that may be."


    Indeed, western experts have been quick to play down the significance of the Indian missile test, noting that the nuclear dynamics of the region are complicated and involve other countries, not just India and China.

    Jeffrey Lewis, who heads the East Asia Non-proliferation Programme at the Center for Non-proliferation Studies in Monterey, California, puts it this way: "Beijing tends to focus much more on the United States, rather than India. Indian officials talk about China much more than their Chinese counterparts talk about them."

    Indeed, he suspects that "New Delhi's emphasis on China is more about slighting Pakistan than competing with China."

    China is already modernising its own nuclear-armed medium- and intermediate-range missile systems that could be used to target India. But as Taylor Fravel notes, "India and China have similar nuclear doctrines, as both emphasize no first use and achieving deterrence through development of a secure second-strike."

    Expanding deterrents

    It should be remembered that compared to Russia and the United States, China and India have relatively small nuclear arsenals. China is believed to have a stockpile of around 240 warheads, with perhaps 175 of them active.

    In recent years it has been deploying more modern solid-fuelled missiles like the two-stage DF-5A with a true inter-continental range capable of threatening the United States. It deploys a number of shorter-range systems like the DF-21 - a potential threat to India.

    China's modernisation of its nuclear deterrent includes the development of a small number of submarines capable of carrying ballistic missiles, but it is not yet judged to have an operational sea-going submarine-launched capability.

    India, in contrast, is believed to have around 100 nuclear warheads, some capable of being dropped from aircraft. But the bulk of its nuclear punch rests upon short-range Prithvi missiles and medium-range variants of the Agni missile.

    India, too, is seeking to take its nuclear deterrent to sea. It is building a new class of nuclear-powered submarines intended to carry ballistic missiles. The first of these Arihant-class boats has already been launched and is expected to enter service next year. Five more are planned.

    However, Jeffrey Lewis suggests that it is wrong to see in the dynamics between Beijing and Delhi echoes of the Cold War arms race between the US and the Soviet Union.

    "I doubt very much", he says, " that China and India will engage in an arms race, scaled-down or otherwise.

    "Both countries," he argues, "tend to pursue the same specific capabilities, but neither produces large numbers of nuclear weapons or nuclear-capable missiles."

    He suggests that both China and India seem to be pursuing what he calls a "possession" oriented approach to nuclear modernisation: "They are developing in turn small numbers of ever more advanced capabilities held by other powers.

    "Neither country, however, has produced anywhere near the number of nuclear weapons or nuclear-capable missiles that each is capable of producing."

    A growing threat - for whom?

    According to Taylor Fravel, "the main strategic dynamic behind China's nuclear modernisation is the need to maintain a secure second-strike capability". In other words, the ability to launch a counter-attack if China is attacked with nuclear weapons.

    "From China's perspective," he says, "the main threat to this capability comes from United States, which has been developing both ballistic missile defences that could prevent China from launching a counter-attack and long-range precision strike capabilities that could be used to attack China's nuclear forces (or command and control systems) with conventional and not nuclear weapons."

    Indeed, it is in the United States that some of the most active debate is underway on the significance or otherwise of China's nuclear modernisation.

    This comes against a backdrop of discussion about eventually reducing the US military arsenal further - below the 1,550 deployed warheads set by the most recent arms reduction agreement with Moscow. It should be noted that the US arsenal in 2010 stood at some 2,468 operational warheads according to the respected journal, The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

    Some in the US see China's modernisation plans - especially its move to develop a sea-going component for its nuclear deterrent - as indicative of a growing threat to the continental United States.

    Critics of China point to a huge network of underground tunnels which some believe could be hiding a significant part of its nuclear arsenal.

    Other analysts take a less dramatic view, arguing that everything we know about the Chinese deterrent suggests a more purposeful and slower pace of modernisation. These differences were on display when the House Armed Services Committee took evidence from various experts in October of last year.

    What everyone could agree on was that a lack of transparency on the part of Beijing remains a serious problem in making any accurate assessment of China's nuclear trajectory.
     
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    Chinas response seems to be mature for some reason! Its good as long as it is like that.
     
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    India downplayed Agni-V's capability: Chinese experts

    Chinese experts feel that there is more fire power to India's successful long-range nuclear-capable missile Agni-V than what New Delhi is saying. A Chinese researcher said the missile "actually has the potential to reach targets 8,000 kilometers away". Du Wenlong, a researcher at China's PLA Academy of Military Sciences, told the Global Times that the Agni-V "actually has the potential to reach targets 8,000 kilometers away".
    Du added that "the Indian government had deliberately downplayed the missile's capability in order to avoid causing concern to other countries".

    India on Thursday test-fired the Agni-V missile that it said can accurately hit targets more than 5,000 km away. With this launch, India entered an exclusive club of nations that have this capability.

    Zhang Zhaozhong, a professor with the People's Liberation Army National Defense University, told the Global Times that according to China's standard, an ICBM should have a range of at least 8,000 km.

    "The Agni-V's range could be further enhanced to become an Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile," he said.

    China calls for nuclear security

    China has called on the international community to work together in promoting international nuclear non-proliferation, nuclear disarmament and nuclear security.

    The statement came Thursday, a day when India successfully test-fired a long-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

    Li Baodong, the Chinese permanent representative to the UN, who took the floor at an open meeting of the UN Security Council on nuclear non-proliferation, said: "The international community needs to enhance its coordination and cooperation in this regard and join hands to face the challenge."

    "To continually promote international nuclear non-proliferation, nuclear disarmament, and nuclear security is of great significance to maintaining international peace and security," Xinhua quoted Li as saying.

    "China supports the Security Council in playing its role in this regard."

    While acknowledging "some positive developments" in the field of arms control and nuclear proliferation, Li also listed matters of concern.

    "With the common efforts of the international community, the areas of arms control and non-proliferation have seen some positive developments," he said. "At the same time, the nuclear proliferation issue remains acute. Nuclear disarmament has a long way to go. The nuclear security situation remains grave."

    "China believes to maintain international peace and stability, to realize general security in the world, we must uphold a new security concept based on mutual trust, benefit, equality, and coordination...," he said.

    "We must consolidate international nuclear non-proliferation mechanisms, fully respect the rights of countries to peaceful use of nuclear energy and avoid double standards," he said.

    "At the same time, we must adhere to scientific and rational concepts of nuclear security, strengthen capacity building in this regard and deepen international communication and cooperation and enhance global nuclear security levels and realize the common goal of general nuclear security."
     
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    I have been barking since the test that it is actually 8000km range missile.
     
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    8000 = London?
     
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    London is 6500km from north west India.
     
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    when u can go 1,000 km u get the potential of reaching 1,200

    when 10,000 km u get the potential of probably 12,000

    which is very obvious....
     
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    Thats why we should declare 8000km range in next test. i want to see them squirm like little worms. :che:
     
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    India eyes Agni-VI to double range

    Indian scientists and engineers are now looking forward to Agni-VI, the next missile in the series that could well possess double the target range.

    Though Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which develops and manufactures missiles for the Indian armed forces, is yet to make an official statement on the new one in Agni series, it has announced intentions to work on missiles with a target range of 10,000 km.

    Technically, Agni-V is an intermediate range ballistic missile and falls 1,000 km to 2,000 km short of being called a real intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). But it is quasi-ICBM, as it can hit targets in other continents, depending on the location from where it is fired.

    For instance, Agni-V can hit Australia if fired from the Andaman islands, hit most of Europe, including Moscow, when fired from Delhi or Kashmir, and parts of Africa if it is launched from Mumbai or Gujarat.

    While Agni-V has a range of 5,500 km, DRDO plans now to build missiles that are truly ICBM in range with 10,000 km-plus target capacity.
    China, incidentally, has missiles with range of over 13,000 km.


    “We go from here to many other missiles, which will have capability for MIRV (Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Vehicle), for anti-satellite system. It (new missile) will also be built using this technology for launching micro-, mini- and nano-satellites to meet the requirements of the armed forces on very, very short notice,” DRDO chief Dr V.K. Saraswat said.

    Agni-V can carry up to three nuclear warheads, and officials said the next missile in the series might carry even up to 10 nuclear warheads, capable of hitting multiple targets simultaneously.

    Buoyed by the success of Agni-V, sources said defence scientists and engineers are now ready to move ahead with the planned next-generation missile that can cover twice the distance.

    The DRDO is also working on integrating Agni-V with submarine.

    India eyes Agni-VI to double range | Deccan Chronicle
     
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    As of now, We don't need Agni-VI. Agni-V with upgraded range of 6,000-7,000 Km with MiRV and K-4/5 for SLBM will be more than enough. Once we will have strong defense capability (around 2022 and beyond), Then we can look for 12,000-15,000 Km ICBM. We need U.S. for 1-2 decade.
     
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    It would take atleast 5 years to achieve the range of 12000km, I'd give it 5-6 years, 2017-18 would be a good time to test a true ICBM, imho.
     
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    Well, I am sure we have technology and capability but we don't need in next few years. At least, we don't need to highlight. We already have two enemies and we don't need third one.

    10,000 Km ICBM is not just BM, but it shows the overall capability. It's symbolic. All countries which posses ICBM have strong defense capability and defence industry. We still import 80%.

    We have too many pending projects to complete in next 10 years. Also, We need lots of technology and weapons from West. Hence, I don't see any reason why to have 12,000-15,000 Km ICBM ?
     
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    USA will still be within range if agni 5 is modified into SLBM since its range is already around 8000km.

    Increasing range to 15000km will not take more than few years if we wanted to make. I think we will start on it around 2015 and it will be complete after few years.
     
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    8,000 Km ?

    DRDO official said it's 5,000 Km range only. it's not ICBM. Few news agency quoted 5,000+ and 5,500. Not read anywhere about 8,000. Yes, in next 2-3 years during various upgradation range might increase to 6-7k but that is not yet happened.

    We do need something in range of 7,000 Km including K-5 for SLBM. To hit north China and han populated Eastern coast from IOR/ Central India.

    We don't need anything more than 7,000 Km till 2022-2025. After that, Anything possible!!
     

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