China posts a surprise trade deficit as exports slow

[badguy2000]

And the population of China is?

guy, how about that of India?

India also has a 1-bilion+ population ,but 1-billion+ indians bought less autos than 80M Germans.

Last year, Chinese bought more autos than the combination of Japan+Germany+France+Italy.

Chinese bought almost 9 times autos more than Indan last year.

However, Many indians and Frenchmen repeat that " CHinese should increase consumption ...." when they even can not figure out which item CHinese should buy more....

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The bubble that has become the Chinese economy is starting to burst. China is too dependant on exports and their own economy is not strong enough to maintain growth. Add to this a real estate bubble and Foreign investments that will leave in a hurry at any sign of trouble and you have the present situation. The Chinese economy has peeked.

 

[SHASH2K2]

guy, how about that of India?

India also has a 1-bilion+ population ,but 1-billion+ indians bought less autos than 80M Germans.

Last year, Chinese bought more autos than the combination of Japan+Germany+France+Italy.

Chinese bought almost 9 times autos more than Indan last year.

However, Many indians and Frenchmen repeat that " CHinese should increase consumption ...." when they even can not figure out which item CHinese should buy more....

Rather then Bla bla about 8 times or nine time of Indian car sales will you care to give the exact number of car consumed in India .
Feb car sales up 22.6 pct at 189,008 units - industry data


Sales of passenger cars dropped 37 percent to 967,200 vehicles . FOR China


Where is 10 time claim of yours? Its just the half.

 

[badguy2000]

Rather then Bla bla about 8 times or nine time of Indian car sales will you care to give the exact number of car consumed in India .
Feb car sales up 22.6 pct at 189,008 units - industry data
Sales of passenger cars dropped 37 percent to 967,200 vehicles . FOR China


Where is 10 time claim of yours? Its just the half.

Come on,guy ,why can you pick one "normal month",if you really want a "normal comparation"?

the guys on the earth all know that there is long CHinese new year festival vacation in CHina in Feburary.....

the working days of Feburay in China is almost 1/3-1/2 less than the normal months.

BTW, In 2009, Chinese bought 18.0619M autos. the year growth was 32.37%. it surpassed Yankees historic record of auto yearly sale(17.5M).
Indian yearly auto sale last year might be about 2M .

一、基础工业数据（upstream industry)：

1、 粗钢产量： 6.27亿吨， 同比增长9.3%， 占世界总产量的44.3%，超过第2-第20名的总和；
Crude steel:627M tons, year growth 9.3%, about 44.3% of global total output.
2、 钢材产量： 7.98亿吨， 同比增长14.9%
rolled Steel: 798M tons, year growth14.9%

3、 水泥产量： 18.68亿吨， 同比增长15.53%，占世界总产量的60%；
Cement:1868M tons, year growth 15.53%,60% of global total output.
4、 电解铝产量：1565万吨， 同比增长21.4%， 超过世界总产量的65%；
electrolytic aluminium:15.65M tons, year growth21.4%,65% of global total output;
5、 精炼铜产量；457万吨， 同比增长10.6%， 占世界总产量的24%；进口429万吨，消�� � ?� �当量达880万吨，超过世界总产量的50 %� ��
refined copper:4.57M tons, year growth10.6%,24% of global total output.China consumed 8.8M tons copper last year,over 50% of global total consumption.

6、 煤炭产量： 32.4亿吨， 同比增长8.9%， 占世界总产量的45%；
Coal:3240M tons,year growth8.9%,45% of global total output;
7、 原油产量： 2.02亿吨， 同比增长6.9%； 进口2.39亿吨，同比增长17.4%；表观消�� � ?� �量达4.39亿吨；
Crude oil:202M tons, year growth6.9%; CHina imported 239M ton of crude oil, yearth growth 17.4%. China consumed 439M ton of crude oil last year.
8、 乙烯产量： 1418.9万吨，同比增长31.7%， 世界第二（美国第一）；当量消费2400� ��?? ��吨，自给率约为59%；
Ethylene:14.189M tons,year growth 31.7%. CHina is global second biggest producer of Ethylene only behind USA,but CHina can produce only 59% of its total ethylene comsumption(240 M tons).
9、 化肥产量： 6740.6万吨，同比增长5.6%， 占世界总产量的35%；
Chemical fertilizer:674.06M tons, year growth5.6%,35% of global total output;
10、塑料产量： 5550万吨， 同比增长20.9%， 占世界总产量的20%；
Plastic: 55.5M tons,year growth 20.9%,20% of global total output;
11、化纤产量： 3090万吨 ， 同比增长12.44%，占世界总产量的42.6%；
Chemical fiber:30.9M tons, year growth12.44%,42.6% of global total output;
12、玻璃产量： 6.3亿重量箱，同比增长10.9%，超过世界 总产量的50%
Glass:630 M weight cases,year growth 10.9%,50% of global total output;
二、工业产品数据(downstream industry)：

1、 汽车产量：1826.47万辆，同比增长32.44%� ��?? ��占世界总产量的25%；
Auto production:18.2647M,year growth 32.44%,25% of global total output;
销量1806.19万辆，同比增长32.37%，超越� ��?? ��美国创造的新车销售1750万辆的历� ��??�� �高纪录。
Auto sale: 18.0619M, year growth32.37%,which surpass USA historic record of auto yearly sale(17.5M)

2、 船舶产量：造船完工量6560万载重吨，� ��?? ��比增长54.6%，占世界总量的为41.9%� ��??
Shipbuilding:65.6M deadweights,year growth 54.6%,41.9% of global total output;
新接订单量7523万载重吨，同比增长290% ，占世界总量的48.5%；
New order of shipbuilding:75.23M deadweights,year growth290%,48.5% of global total one;
手持订单量19291.5万载重吨，占世界总� ��?? ��的40.8%；
ordered shipbuilding:1929.15M deadweights,40.8% of global total one;
其中造船完工量和手持订单量所占世�� � ?� �份额均比2009年有较大提升；

出口额首次突破400亿美元，同比增长42 .07%。
China's export of shipbuilding surpassed 40billion USD last year. its year growth is 42.07%

3、 工程机械产量： 590亿美元，同比增长20%，占世界总产�� � ?� �的43%（工程机械：挖掘机、装载机�� � ?� ��土机、起重机、混凝土泵 、叉车、压路机等）
Engineering machinery: 59 billion USD,year growth20%, 43% of global total output;(Engineering machinery includes excavtor,mechanical loader,bulldozer,crane,pumpcrete machine,forklift and roller...etc)

4、计算机产量：2.46亿台，同比增长35% ， 占世界总产量的68%，份额比2009年提升8 个点；
Personal computer:246M, year growth35%,68% of global total output. the market share rose 8% last year.
5、 彩电产量：1.18亿台，同比增长19.5%，�� � ?� �世界总产量的50%，份额比2009年提升2 �� �点；
Color TV sets:118M, year growth19.5%,50% of global total output. the market shares rose 2% last year;
6、 冰箱产量：7300万台，同比增长23%， 占世界总产量的65%，份额比2009年提升5 个点；
Refrigerator:73M ,year growth 23%,65% of global total output. the market share rose 5% last year.
7、 空调产量：1.09亿台，同比增长35%， 占世界总产量的80%，份额比2009年提升1 0个点；
Air conditioner:109M , year growth35%,80% of global total output. the market share rose 10% last year.
8、 手机产量：9.98亿部，同比增长61%， 超过世界总产量的70%；份额比2009年暴� ��?? ��20个点；
Mobile phone: 998M , year growth 61%, 70% of global total output. the market share rose 20% last year.
9、洗衣机产量：6100万台，同比增长21% ， 占世界总产量的44%，份额比2009年提升4 个点；
Washing machine: 61M, year growth21%, 44% of global total output. the market share rose 4% last year.
10、微波炉产量：6800万台，同比增长12 %， 占世界总产量的的70%；
Microwave oven:68M, year growth12%, 70% of global total production.
11、数码相机产量；8200万台， 占世界总产量的65%；
Digital Camera:82M,65% of global total production;
12、数字电视机顶盒：1.5亿台，占世界 总产量的73%；
Set-top Box:150M,73% of global total production;
三、基础设施数据(infrastructure)：

1、电力：新增装机容量9118万千瓦，总 装机容量达到9.62亿千瓦（美国为10亿�� � ?� �瓦），同比增长10．07％；
Electricity:
Additonal installed capacity:91.18MKW;
Total installed capacity:962M KW,only little behind USA's (1000M KW). Year growth 10.07%
2、发电量：42065亿度，同比增长13.2%， 占世界总发电量的22%，首次超越美国�� � ?� �美国2010年约为41100亿度），跃居世�� � ?� ��一；美国在这个位置上已经坐了10 0多 年了，发电量超过美国是个里程碑的�� � ?� �志；
Electric energy production:4206500KWH,about 22% of global total output. it was the first time that China's electric energy yearly production had surpassed USA's(about 4110000KWH). USA had been the biggest electric energy producer in the world for over 100 years.


3、公路：新增公路通车里程10.5万公里 （含高速），公路网总里程达到398.4万 公里；

新增高速公路8258公里，总里程达到7.41 万公里（美国9万公里）；
Highway:
Additional highway:105K KMs( including expressways). the length of CHinese highway-net totaled 398.4M KM long.
4、铁路：投产新线4986公里，其中客运 专线1554公里；投产复线3747公里；营业 总里程达9.1万公里（仅次于美国），�� � ?� �中高速铁路8358公里。
Railway:
Additional railway:4986KM,including 1554KM-long highspeed railway.
Additional finished multipl track:3747KM;
Operational length of railways was 910K KM long,only behind USA in the world.

5、能源：一次能源消费量为32.5亿吨标 准煤，同比增长6%，首次超越美国，跃 居世界第一，这也是个里程碑的标志�� � ?� �
the consumption of Primary Energy :3250M ton of standard coal. It was the first time that CHina's consumtion of Primary energy had surpassed USA's one.

四、轻工产品及其他(light industry)：

1、纱产量：2717万吨，同比增长17.5%，� ��?? ��世界份额的46%；
Yarn: 27.17M ton, year growth 17.5%. China's market share : 46%
2、布产量：800亿米，同比增长6.2%
Cloth:80000M Squaremeters, year growth 6.2%;
3、黄金产量：340.876吨，同比增长8.57%� ��?? ��世界第一；
Gold:340,876 tons,year growth 8.57%. China was the global biggest gold producer last year.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Come on,guy ,why can you pick one "normal month",if you really want a "normal comparation"?

the guys on the earth all know that there is long CHinese new year festival vacation in CHina in Feburary.....

the working days of Feburay in China is almost 1/3-1/2 less than the normal months.

Would you please take a little extra pain to check the date in news article that I posted. Its last year data not this year .

 

[badguy2000]

Would you please take a little extra pain to check the date in news article that I posted. Its last year data not this year .

I have checked the CHinese resource.

in 2010, Chinese bought 18.0619 million autos while Indians bought 1.87 million autos .

the autos Indians bought last year were exactly 1/10 of that bought by CHinese....hahah

http://news.cntv.cn/20110113/107502.shtml
新华社新德里电 印度汽车制造商协会11日公布的数据显示，2010年印度汽车销量为187万辆，同比增加30.7%。其中，乘用车和商用车销量分别增长31.34%和45.24%。

 

[SHASH2K2]

I have checked the CHinese resource.

in 2010, Chinese bought 18.0619 million autos while Indians bought 1.87 million autos .

the autos Indians bought last year were exactly 1/10 of that bought by CHinese....hahah

Well I didn't use any of Indian source and those two sources are not Indian and thus are verified by third party . Moreover your chinese sources are useless for me and mean nothing but $*** .

 

[Armand2REP]

haha, guy, can you tell me which item of "finished products" CHina houlsholds should buy more?

cars? AC? Tv sets? refrigerator? video? house?cell phones?PC?

last year Chinese households buy all above toys more than the combination of UK+France+Germany+Italy+Japan.

guy, you still can not tell us which item Chinese should buy more......

Cars, white appliances, and electronics have all been sold under heavy subsidy so the state is picking up much of the bill. That dilutes private consumption spending so units moved do not tell the whole story. As we see from withdrawing auto subsidies, sales have plummeted 33% in one month. The biggest sector Chinese need to start spending money on are services, it is what makes developed economies possible. Finished goods can go a long way in Chinese consumption if they would buy larger things like central heating & air. I have three little AC units and a floor heater in my apartment, all of which waste electricity and the walls do not hold it lacking thermal insulation along with single pane windows. That is three sectors worth $200 billion in the US, it could be worth a trillion in China.

 

[badguy2000]

Cars, white appliances, and electronics have all been sold under heavy subsidy so the state is picking up much of the bill.
That dilutes private consumption spending so units moved do not tell the whole story. As we see from withdrawing auto subsidies, sales have plummeted 33% in one month.

haha ,that is your explaination? hahah.

guy, after Chinese people finish their Chinese new year vacation and go back to ther office ,you will find that auto sale will rise 33% in March,although soo many CHinese cities start to limite the sale of cars by decreasing the liciences of cars.

The biggest sector Chinese need to start spending money on are services, it is what makes developed economies possible. Finished goods can go a long way in Chinese consumption if they would buy larger things like central heating & air. I have three little AC units and a floor heater in my apartment, all of which waste electricity and the walls do not hold it lacking thermal insulation along with single pane windows. That is three sectors worth $200 billion in the US, it could be worth a trillion in China.

well, finally, you figure out which item on hell "bubble" the "consumption" of developed economies such as France and USA...that is "service".

the costperformance of "service" in France is much poorer than that in CHina.
For example,
the same quality hair-cut might cost 50 euro in France, but cost only1/10(50RMB) in China...
The same quality medical-care might cast 5000 Euro in France, but cost only 1/10(5000RMB) in China too.


such "consumption of service" bubbled by exchange rate distorts the reality and makes some guys ignorant of economic quite happy,such as you. then you boast everywhere that "see, We 60M frenchmen comsumes more 1.3 billion CHinese....." how pathific....

BTW.....armand......

Most of Chinese might have amdired you of you life quality if you had shown off "I have three little AC units and a floor heater in my apartment" to Chinese 10 years ago.

but now, Most of Chinese would think you are a "red-necks" from lonely isolated villages,when you shows off "I have three little AC units and a floor heater in my apartment" everywhere.

 

[badguy2000]

Well I didn't use any of Indian source and those two sources are not Indian and thus are verified by third party . Moreover your chinese sources are useless for me and mean nothing but $*** .

well, the last shied for you....deny anything....

 

[RedDragon]

Chinese like to saving because they not only save for their own future, but also for their children's future.

I have saved almost 10 years to buy my apartment, at that time almost 70% of my income is saved or pay the loan. Although my parents have saved some money for me to help me to buy a appartment, I refused, I wish they can use the money to have some quality time. But now they still save the money for my possible future usage.

And now after pay back all loan, I start saving for my lovely daughter. She surely will have a bright future. You see, that's Chinese's living style, at least it won't be changed for the people born before 70s and early 80s.

Perhaps the people born after later 80s and 90s will starting spend more and saving less.

 

[nimo_cn]

Rather then Bla bla about 8 times or nine time of Indian car sales will you care to give the exact number of car consumed in India .
Feb car sales up 22.6 pct at 189,008 units - industry data


Sales of passenger cars dropped 37 percent to 967,200 vehicles . FOR China


Where is 10 time claim of yours? Its just the half.

You must fail to know China is taking strict measures to curb the sales of cars because of the heavy traffic jam caused by the rapid growth of private car ownership.

The drop is more caused by policy, rather than the demand of consumers.


By the way, it is interesting to know no one is doubting the credibility of the data disclosed by the State Statistics Bureau of China this time.

 

[RedDragon]

You must fail to know China is taking strict measures to curb the sales of cars because of the heavy traffic jam caused by the rapid growth of private car ownership.

The drop is more caused by policy, rather than the demand of consumers.

Yes, that's true. Especially in BeiJing.

 

[RedDragon]

If you see the 50s~80s history of Japanese, south Korea or Taiwan. You will found that when they are rapid raising, there are always one or two generation people with hard working and high saving rate. Working more and enjoy less. In fact, they are the foundation of the raising.

 

[cw2005]

I think China is going to do something as "Good will" for the new USA ambassador to China. He is an American born Chinese guy. More import from and reduced trade surplus with USA would be expected.

 

[badguy2000]

You must fail to know China is taking strict measures to curb the sales of cars because of the heavy traffic jam caused by the rapid growth of private car ownership.

The drop is more caused by policy, rather than the demand of consumers.


By the way, it is interesting to know no one is doubting the credibility of the data disclosed by the State Statistics Bureau of China this time.

well,here is the reaons why the drop of auto sale took place in CHina :

1. Chinese new year vacation was in Feburay......the working days in Feb are in fact 1/2-1/3 less than ordinary months.

2. many CHinese cities now limit the sale of cars, in order to cure the traffic jam.

For example, In Janu,2011, Over 200K Beijingese applied for the license of cars,but availabe licences that month were only 17.6K....
that is to say,In beijing, there was only 1 luck dog who could be allowed to buy one car among 23.2 guys who wanted to buy cars that months.

http://www.auto18.com/news/html/2011-03-11/news_20110311212176.html
今年1月份，摇号申请人数20余万，2月份申请人数累计超30万。而这个月，申请人数又增加了10万。本轮摇号将再产生1.76万个中签者。中签比例约为23.2比1，中签率仅为1月份的一半。

　　3月份小客车指标申请正式结束。根据北京缓解拥堵网站公布的数据，截至昨天零时，小客车指标申请累计收到个人小客车配置指标申请414847个，有10351家企事业等单位申请小客车配置指标21091个。

 

[Armand2REP]

haha ,that is your explaination? hahah.

guy, after Chinese people finish their Chinese new year vacation and go back to ther office ,you will find that auto sale will rise 33% in March,although soo many CHinese cities start to limite the sale of cars by decreasing the liciences of cars.

Thats funny considering they grew 46% last year and they are only up 3% this year. I think you will find with the withdrawal of subsidies and the rising petrol prices, sales will not be growing much.

well, finally, you figure out which item on hell "bubble" the "consumption" of developed economies such as France and USA...that is "service".

Um sure... French services remained flat for about a year before they picked up, compared to Chinese exports which plummeted 26% after the crisis. So much for relying on manufactured goods.

the costperformance of "service" in France is much poorer than that in CHina.
For example,
the same quality hair-cut might cost 50 euro in France, but cost only1/10(50RMB) in China...
The same quality medical-care might cast 5000 Euro in France, but cost only 1/10(5000RMB) in China too.

Where can I get a quality cut in China? I have yet to find one. I have scouted salons and they all lop off your hair into a bowl cut. After he finished butchering my hair, his excuse was "Westerners have different shaped heads." I paid 35 quai for this shit, it was a simple clipper around the sides and trim. I was like 'xiu yi xia'... don't lop it off! You get what you pay for in China or anywhere else. I am going to the salon in the Landmark International Hotel next time. They might know "Western heads' even if it does cost twice as much. The same cut I got in France costs €15 and the ends were blended with a nice rounding in the back. Any stylist in France would lose their license doing this kind of work.

Medical costs in France are next to nothing. A physical in France is free while it costs 480 quai in China. For a 10 day hospital stay in France will cost €160. In China it will cost over 10000 quai. It will cost more like 70000 if you go to private wings of the hospital where you can get Western quality care.

such "consumption of service" bubbled by exchange rate distorts the reality and makes some guys ignorant of economic quite happy,such as you. then you boast everywhere that "see, We 60M frenchmen comsumes more 1.3 billion CHinese....." how pathific....

What is pathetic is that you Chinese think your products and services are the same quality... they are not. If you do get the same quality, you pay the same price or more. It costs Western money to live a Western lifestyle in China. It was true the day I heard that and it is true months later.

BTW.....armand......

Most of Chinese might have amdired you of you life quality if you had shown off "I have three little AC units and a floor heater in my apartment" to Chinese 10 years ago.

but now, Most of Chinese would think you are a "red-necks" from lonely isolated villages,when you shows off "I have three little AC units and a floor heater in my apartment" everywhere.

Really? My Chinese friends think I am rich with my three 'fancy' AC thermostatic remote controlled units and floor heater. Most don't have a heater and only one manual AC unit. So those rednecks from PanYu and Tianhe must not know the good life?

 

[SHASH2K2]

I think China is going to do something as "Good will" for the new USA ambassador to China. He is an American born Chinese guy. More import from and reduced trade surplus with USA would be expected.

Since when china has started doing favour. He may be of China Origin but is not chinese by any means. Not even fools will except your logic of doing favours.

 

[SHASH2K2]

You must fail to know China is taking strict measures to curb the sales of cars because of the heavy traffic jam caused by the rapid growth of private car ownership.

The drop is more caused by policy, rather than the demand of consumers.


By the way, it is interesting to know no one is doubting the credibility of the data disclosed by the State Statistics Bureau of China this time.

so where is all those story of excellent infrastructure of even lower tier city of China? I never expected China to discourage sale of cars becuase they donot have good quality of roads. Beijing being one of best city in terms of infrastructures and facilities should not have this kind of limitations.

 

[jazzguy]

Well, China still has more room to expand private consumption and this is what China is doing now by urbanizing the village people.