China police station attack leaves 11 dead

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  1. Ray

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    China police station attack leaves 11 dead

    17 November 2013 Last updated at 04:00 GMT

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    ine axe-wielding assailants have been shot dead during an attack on a police station in China's volatile western Xinjiang province, state media say.

    Xinhua news agency reports that two auxiliary police officers died in Saturday's clashes in Bachu county's Serikbuya, near the city of Kashgar.

    Another two policemen were injured. Xinhua provided no further details.

    Xinjiang - where Muslim Uighurs make up a large part of the population - has seen several clashes this year.

    Last month, five people died when a car ploughed into a crowd in Beijing's Tiananmen Square - an attack the authorities blamed on the separatist East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM).

    China often blames the ETIM for incidents in Xinjiang. But the BBC correspondent in Beijing says few believe that the group has any capacity to carry out any serious acts of terror in China.

    Uighur groups claim China uses ETIM as an excuse to justify repressive security in Xinjiang.

    There are nine million Uighurs living in the province, but they are now a minority in the region, which is now dominated politically and economically by Han Chinese.

    There were violent clashes in Xinjiang in April, June and August this year.

    BBC News - China police station attack leaves 11 dead

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    Fundamentalists are raising the ante.

    Xinjiang will get closed to outsiders since this type of situation will affect the morale of those in hinterland China and so they will, as per their procedure, ensure that this type of news does not filter out.

    And then, the Han authorities reprisal will begin in real earnest.
     
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  3. kseeker

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    China's great friendship is paying them well ! Way to go China :thumb:
     
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    Taller than mountain friends at it again.
     
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    Nine gunned down during attack on police station in Xinjiang Uyghur region

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    Nine assailants were shot to death on Saturday after killing two police officers during an attack on a police station in China's Xinjiang Uyghur autonomous region, according to a report by Xinhua.
    Nine assailants were shot dead on Saturday after they killed two auxiliary police officers while attacking a police station in Northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, local police said.

    The nine assailants, including one identified as Abla Ehet, wielded knives and axes when they attacked the police station in Serikbuya township of Bachu county in Kashgar prefecture at about 5:30 pm, Kashgar police said.

    Two police officers were injured in the attack.

    The social order has returned to normal, police said, without providing further details.
    The news comes a time of heightened tension after last month's terrorist attack at Tiananmen Square in which five Uyghurs were detained in connection with an explosion that killed two people and injured at least 40 more.
    In the wake of the attack, the Uyghur community of Beijing has described harassment suffered at the hands of the police.
    In a following report by SCMP, Uyghurs who were interviewed after the attack at Tiananmen Square blamed a variety of factors including cultural oppression and police abuses for influencing the suspects to commit attacks.

    http://shanghaiist.com/2013/11/18/nine-assailants-gunned-down-xinjiang-hospital.php
     
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    Uyghurs blame terrorist attack on cultural repression and idiots

    The Tiananmen Square incident (no, the one with the car) was the result of cultural repression, police abuses, and stupid assholes, according to the South China Morning Post. In the piece, Uyghurs interviewed blamed a variety of factors for influencing "these idiots" to commit attacks like the car-thing (bombing? well, sort of) that took place at Tiananmen.
    The full SCMP article is here, but the good bits go as follows:
    Residents reject the accusation that the incident and a series of clashes inside Xinjiang this year are the result of terrorism.
    "Uygurs are angry that women are not allowed to cover their faces or that they must bribe government officials to get things done," said a 30-year-old doctor.
    Like other interviewees he asked not to be named for fear of repercussions.
    "They don't go overseas" for terrorism training, he said. "The problem is they are unhappy with officials in Hotan. The governance is bad and that's why these idiots do what they do - make trouble, turn to violence."
    In the wake of the ameteur attack on Tiananmen, one of the biggest points of contention between the Chinese and international press was whether or not the even had "earned" the status of a bona-fide terrorist attack. Many pointed to the Uyghurs' lack of terrorist training or institutionalization as evidence against these claims, but other noted the symbolic nature of the crime (and its willingness to sacrifice innocents to make a larger political point) in support. Regardless, it seems safe to assume that they were idiots.
    Contact the author of this article or email [email protected] with further questions, comments or tips.

    Uyghurs blame terrorist attack on cultural repression and idiots: Shanghaiist

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    Note how the expression of total disgust of the Uyghurs at the Han is so sweetly covered up by 'acts of idiots'!
     
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  7. badguy2000

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    well,some chinese people argues that terrorists' families and relatives should be punished,which is one old chinese law''lianzhu'.
     
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    There is no doubt about that!
     
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    lianzhu means "reprisals" then?

    Have reprisals ever defeated an insurgency?

    Insurgents need to capture police weapons so they are better armed. Or they could be supplied with arms from external sources.
     
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    Yes. Google John Chivington.

    Why do they need to be better armed?
     
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    well,they tried,but they were crushed.
     
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    lianzhu is much more harsh than reprisals.lianzhu means that all families and relatives of criminals should be punished.
     
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    While harsh, this method is a surprisingly effective way of instilling compliance in the target population. It worked in the Boer War, for example.

    What leads to even greater stability is constantly tracking those the insurgents hold dear, and making such a fact apparent to the insurgents.

    One proposal out of the Ministry of Public Security involves implanting RFID chips into the wives and children of suspected insurgents, and then placing drones armed with guided missiles over their villages, so that at any instant, without warning, the proper deterrent measures against terrorist activity can be executed.
     
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    I refer to classic stages of insurgency e.g. French resistance to German occupation.

    I'm not sure Indian Wars in the US West (John Chivington) have been described as insurgencies, but the comparison is interesting.
     
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    In this incident. I imagine there will be more such attempts.
     
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    The Brits invented concentration camps, as we know.
     
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    were the assailants trained in 500000000000000urs old pakistan????
     
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    That is Orwellian. Is the proposal likely to be acted on?
     
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    it is available technically.
     
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    Even the Chinese media feels that these chaps who are attacking are hardly trained to be terrorists.

    Indeed, that is what it is if one is to take axe wielding chaps at face value.

    Terrorists would be better equipped and would strike with sophisticated tactics and not move in like some hooligans.

    I would not be surprised if such a security arrangement is in place in China.

    I would go along with W.G.Ewald that it is Orwellian and would be against international standards of human rights.

    However, it being China, the rights to ensure the right to survivability of the CCP is a higher priority than the survival of right of the human beings!
     
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    Retired RAW officer Sankaran Nair (he is in his early 90s now) wrote a book where he described how the British in India had declared some tribal communities as "criminal castes" or "criminal tribes". That means that the entire extended family/tribal/ethnic group is criminal. This is not so much different from declaring relatives of an insurgent as marked people.

    On advantage of this "criminal tribe" policy was that every time there was an untoward event some random men from this "criminal tribe" were caught and punished and people were told that justice had been done.

    The principle of group responsibility of course is utter nonsense apart from being unfair.

    Using the same principle ALL Chinese Han are responsible for murder and torture because they belong to the larger subset of Han Chinese subjugating Uighurs and Tibetans.

    Using the same logic that Chinese use for Uighurs it is possible to blindly blame all Chinese. That is what is so charming about this form of intellectual property that the Chinese government is sharing with the world. In the long term the policy will not work unless the Chinese are sensible enough to kill all Uighurs. But then the communists have forgotten what "long term" means by simply killing off all higher forms of culture and history.
     
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