China naval fleet seen off northern Japan

[W.G.Ewald]

China naval fleet seen off northern Japan - FRANCE 24

A Chinese naval fleet was Sunday spotted sailing for the first time through an international strait between northern Japan and Russia's far east, the Japanese defence ministry said.

The two missile destroyers, two frigates and a supply ship passed through the Soya Strait from the Sea of Japan to the Sea of Okhotsk early Sunday, the ministry said.

The channel, also known as La Perouse, separates the Russian island of Sakhalin and the northernmost Japanese island of Hokkaido.

The five ships took part in joint naval exercises with Russia from July 5-12 off Vladivostok.

Two other Chinese naval ships which also took part in the drills were seen moving into the East China Sea on Saturday.

The purpose of the Chinese fleet's passage through the Soya Strait is not known, Kyodo news agency quoted a ministry official as saying.

 

[Ray]

Russia will not be pleased!

 

[no smoking]

Russia will not be pleased!

Yes, an indian said so after reading a japanese newspaper!

 

[Impluseblade]

Mr. Ray just wants to see conflicts between China and other countries. According to some unbiased source, a fleet of 16 Russia navel ships also passed the same strait. So why will Russia not be pleased? Because they don't make the headline even they deployed more ships.

Yes, an indian said so after reading a japanese newspaper!

 

[shiphone]

I always thought some Ex-high ranking officer should be quite experienced and knowledgeable about this world due to his age...but unfortunately after years observation ,it seems those posts we read here and there were quite childish ,ignorant and young cynic style...obviously some member prefer those unreliable source to learn and understand this world ,especially about some neighbouring country, and those sources or websites won't tell you what's really going on but some so called artifactitious story combining some fact and more Lies...

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right after the 3 days Russia-China Joint navy exercise, Russian Pacific Fleet recieved the direct emergency order from the Moscow to form a Task Force for high seas training of this year...they went throught the Soya Strait into the Pacific Ocean on 13th July.

http://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press2013/press_pdf/p20130714-1.pdf -------------Japan MOD report
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and PLA navy TF separated into two parts:

DDG115,116,FFG 538 546, AUX 881 would continue their own high seas trainging organized by the PLAN north sea fleet as planned...they went throuth the Soya Strait following the Russian fleet , about 10 hours later.

http://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press2013/press_pdf/p20130714-2.pdf -------------Japan MOD report
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DDG 169 and 171 sailing back to the home port via Tsushima Strait. they were also spotted by the Japanese on July 13th...

http://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press2013/press_pdf/p20130713.pdf -------------Japan MOD report

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the Russian and China's vessels spotted by the Japanese P3C...

 

[Ray]

Yes, an indian said so after reading a japanese newspaper!

There is no ban on any international newspaper, including Chinese ones, in India.

Free Speech, Free Thought and Free Choice, inter alia other highlights of a Free Society.

 

[Ray]

Mr. Ray just wants to see conflicts between China and other countries. According to some unbiased source, a fleet of 16 Russia navel ships also passed the same strait. So why will Russia not be pleased? Because they don't make the headline even they deployed more ships.

Au contraire mon frere, I am all for peace and against activities that can be construed to be aggressively military.

By your stating According to some unbiased source, does not make it the Gospel Truth, or does it?

 

[Ray]

I always thought some Ex-high ranking officer should be quite experienced and knowledgeable about this world due to his age...but unfortunately after years observation ,it seems those posts we read here and there were quite childish ,ignorant and young cynic style...obviously some member prefer those unreliable source to learn and understand this world ,especially about some neighbouring country, and those sources or websites won't tell you what's really going on but some so called artifactitious story combining some fact and more Lies...

---------------------------------------------------------------------
right after the 3 days Russia-China Joint navy exercise, Russian Pacific Fleet recieved the direct emergency order from the Moscow to form a Task Force for high seas training of this year...they went throught the Soya Strait into the Pacific Ocean on 13th July.

http://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press2013/press_pdf/p20130714-1.pdf -------------Japan MOD report
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and PLA navy TF separated into two parts:

DDG115,116,FFG 538 546, AUX 881 would continue their own high seas trainging organized by the PLAN north sea fleet as planned...they went throuth the Soya Strait following the Russian fleet , about 10 hours later.

http://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press2013/press_pdf/p20130714-2.pdf -------------Japan MOD report
----

DDG 169 and 171 sailing back to the home port via Tsushima Strait. they were also spotted by the Japanese on July 13th...

http://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press2013/press_pdf/p20130713.pdf -------------Japan MOD report

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the Russian and China's vessels spotted by the Japanese P3C...

Isn't it a typical Chinese Communist style of response to issues that does not suit the Chinese official view?

 

[Ray]

I always thought some Ex-high ranking officer should be quite experienced and knowledgeable about this world due to his age...but unfortunately after years observation ,it seems those posts we read here and there were quite childish ,ignorant and young cynic style...obviously some member prefer those unreliable source to learn and understand this world ,especially about some neighbouring country, and those sources or websites won't tell you what's really going on but some so called artifactitious story combining some fact and more Lies...

---------------------------------------------------------------------
right after the 3 days Russia-China Joint navy exercise, Russian Pacific Fleet recieved the direct emergency order from the Moscow to form a Task Force for high seas training of this year...they went throught the Soya Strait into the Pacific Ocean on 13th July.

http://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press2013/press_pdf/p20130714-1.pdf -------------Japan MOD report
----
and PLA navy TF separated into two parts:

DDG115,116,FFG 538 546, AUX 881 would continue their own high seas trainging organized by the PLAN north sea fleet as planned...they went throuth the Soya Strait following the Russian fleet , about 10 hours later.

http://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press2013/press_pdf/p20130714-2.pdf -------------Japan MOD report
----

DDG 169 and 171 sailing back to the home port via Tsushima Strait. they were also spotted by the Japanese on July 13th...

http://www.mod.go.jp/js/Press/press2013/press_pdf/p20130713.pdf -------------Japan MOD report

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the Russian and China's vessels spotted by the Japanese P3C...

Isn't it a typical Chinese Communist style of response to issues that does not suit the Chinese official view?

 

[amoy]

Obviously Russia and China see Japan as a pillar of the "Pivot to Asia Pacific"

On 14 July after the joint drill, Russian fleet also passed through La Perouse (the Soya Strait). on 15 July Tu-95 and IL-20 were found near Japanese airspace.

 

[Ray]

Obviously Russia and China see Japan as a pillar of the "Pivot to Asia Pacific"

On 14 July after the joint drill, Russian fleet also passed through La Perouse (the Soya Strait). on 15 July Tu-95 and IL-20 were found near Japanese airspace.

Japan indeed is one of the pillars in the furtherance of the US policy in the Pacific.

Russia continues to view US in the same way as it did before as far as its strategy is concerned.

It is wise of them to rope in China as their bulwark on the Pacific coast.

 

[J20!]

Au contraire mon frere, I am all for peace and against activities that can be construed to be aggressively military.

By your stating According to some unbiased source, does not make it the Gospel Truth, or does it?

Why would Russia view PLAN vessels which just left a Russian Port, having jus completed naval drills with the RUSSIAN Navy, passing through INTERNATIONAL waters as an aggressive act?

Find something else anti-China to prattle on about.

 

[Ray]

Why would Russia view PLAN vessels which just left a Russian Port, having jus completed naval drills with the RUSSIAN Navy, passing through INTERNATIONAL waters as an aggressive act?

Find something else anti-China to prattle on about.

Passing international water is fine.

Intent is what requires analysis!

 

[t_co]

Passing international water is fine.

Intent is what requires analysis!

What intent can you discern, then? How could the Russians perceive this in a negative way?

 

[Ray]

What intent can you discern, then? How could the Russians perceive this in a negative way?

Ity is not Russia that has got US' back up.

Russia i a spent force.

It is China.

Put two and two together and it does not add up to three!

 

[SilentKiller]

Yes, an indian said so after reading a japanese newspaper!

And you said so on reading an Indian reply...
writing as if what ever your newspapers quote or write is true. don't let us get start on this, stick to topic.
Thanks!!

 

[sob]

PLAN is definitely sending a message to Japan regarding it's size and reach.

Asia Times Online :: Chinese navy powers into new waters

Chinese warships have for the first time traversed La Perouse Strait, threading the narrow gap between Japan's Hokkaido and Russia's Sakhalin, and entered the open waters of the North Pacific Ocean. After completing week-long joint naval drills with the Russian Navy, the Chinese vessels could have taken a direct route to the south back to their home port of Qingdao. Instead, Beijing is sending a clear signal to Tokyo by sending China's increasingly sophisticated maritime assets on a circuit around the Japanese home islands.

This decision to take a circuitous route home comes on the heels of another symbolic projection of Chinese naval power. Last week, Chinese craft joined Russian vessels for the "Joint Sea 2013" exercises in the Sea of Japan, off the Russian Pacific port of Vladivostok.

These maneuvers were almost certainly directed at Tokyo and Washington. Both China and Russia face territorial disputes with Japan, and the two powers are America's only credible geopolitical rivals.

When sending its contingent to these inaugural Sino-Russian maritime drills, the People's Liberation Army Navy made another yet historic first by crossing the Tsushima Strait, 65 kilometers wide at its narrowest, between southern Japan and South Korea. In both the Tsushima Strait in the south and La Perouse Strait (some 40 km wide at its narrowest) in the north, more of the narrow waters could fall within Japan's exclusive territorial waters. However, Japan limits the range of its maritime sovereignty claims in these waterways to three nautical miles (5.6 km) rather than the usual 12 nautical miles in order to allow nuclear-armed America vessels passage through the strategically vital bottlenecks. [1]

In the wake of these displays of Chinese maritime capabilities, the Japanese government has announced a comprehensive plan to identify, name, and "nationalize" roughly 400 minor outlying islands. These small islands - some no more than rocky outcrops in the East China Sea - could be used to clearly demarcate (and perhaps expand) Japan's territorial waters and exclusive economic zones. The Japanese government maintains that the total size of Japan's territorial waters is roughly 4.47 million square kilometers - roughly 12 times the size of Japan's landmass. [2]

This move is almost sure to inspire Chinese anger. The focal point of the recent escalation of tensions between China and Japan was Tokyo's decision last year to "nationalize" the disputed Senkaku Islands (known as the Diaoyu in Chinese). If any of the minor islands set to be identified by the Japanese government are claimed by China, one can expect another round of intensification in the war of words in the East China Sea.

 

[sob]

Tension with Japan rises over Chinese warships | Asia-Pacific | BDlive

Chinese warships have passed through the narrow strait that divides northern Japan and Russia for the first time, Japan's defence ministry said on Sunday.

The five ships, including a guided-missile destroyer, travelled in international waters through the La Pérouse Strait early on Sunday morning, the ministry said.

The vessels appeared to be returning to China after a week-long military exercise with the Russian navy in the Sea of Japan and was seen as a message of defiance for Japan and the US. Ahead of the exercises, Chinese media quoted retired admiral Yin Zhuo, who advises Chinese politicians, as saying that such manoeuvres would "have a certain level of threat to Japan, which has a dispute with China over the Diaoyu Islands and one with Russia over the Northern Territories".

The Chinese ships could have returned home more directly by travelling southwest, back through the Sea of Japan and into the East China Sea. That made their chosen route — which would take them out into the Pacific in a broad swing around Japan — all the more provocative.

 

[no smoking]

And you said so on reading an Indian reply...
writing as if what ever your newspapers quote or write is true. don't let us get start on this, stick to topic.
Thanks!!

You didn't grab my point: It is rediculous that Mr RAY can get his impression that Russia will not be pleased. Why they should be worried?
They already settled their land and sea border with Chinese.
They know currently Chinese is focusing Japan and US--the alliance that China will be struggling with in next 3 decades in its neighbourhood.
They know that Chinese would need their support as much as they need Chinese.

one of problems with indian is that most of indians always see things emotionally, not objectively.

 

[t_co]

You didn't grab my point: It is rediculous that Mr RAY can get his impression that Russia will not be pleased. Why they should be worried?
They already settled their land and sea border with Chinese.
They know currently Chinese is focusing Japan and US--the alliance that China will be struggling with in next 3 decades in its neighbourhood.
They know that Chinese would need their support as much as they need Chinese.

one of problems with indian is that most of indians always see things emotionally, not objectively.

Certainly, some DFIers might be more emotional than objective, but let's not generalize about an entire nation of 1 billion people.

Indeed, if we did want to think about that issue, then the aggregate behavior of Indian citizens does show that they are often more objective than emotional, not least when it comes to voting for politicians on the basis of direct material benefits like TVs, ethnic-specific work quotas, and subsidized food.