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[Tactical Frog]

Its a warship. How does it "look like cheap Chinese junk"? What exactly on it "looks cheap"? This is defense forum, try critiquing the design objectively...

You are right. Let's try to be objective. How un-German of me
Here are the Meko A-200 specs. Can you find the C28A specs for us ?

 

[J20!]

You are right. Let's try to be objective. How un-German of me
Here are the Meko A-200 specs. Can you find the C28A specs for us ?


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I think you're confusing the C28A corvette for a frigate. It displaces roughly 1000t less than the Meko and does not have as comprehensive an air defense suite as the Meko. Which is why Algeria ordered both. A more sensical comparison would be with a Type 054A frigate.

But I didn't say let's compare the Meko A-200 frigate and C28A corvette. I asked what exactly "looks cheap" about the corvette?

 

[Tactical Frog]

I think you're confusing the C28A corvette for a frigate. It displaces roughly 1000t less than the Meko and does not have as comprehensive an air defense suite as the Meko. Which is why Algeria ordered both. A more sensical comparison would be with a Type 054A frigate.

But I didn't say let's compare the Meko A-200 frigate and C28A corvette. I asked what exactly "looks cheap" about the corvette?

Well sometimes specs can speak volume ... I would be interested to have a look at C28A constructor specs . Note that it is a "heavy corvette " according the Algerians. Meko and C28A have exact same length, but the Meko is bigger.
What looks cheap about this C28A corvette ? The rear superstructure with its radar

 

[kunal1123]

China builds another Combined-Arms Mechanized Infantry Brigade
They go on to state in the very brief article that it will belong to the 20th Group Army Central Command.
On a side note. We have enough information from China Defense and other open source blogs on the Chinese military to build a pretty good order of battle. It might be something worth doing on a lazy Sunday.
Having said that the focus for me turns to the type of units that the Chinese are building. I admit that their focus is entirely within their region but I fully expected to see the paratroops and Marine Corps expand.
We aren't seeing that.
I don't know if this is Asian practicality or stubbornness but they're continuing to modernize their conventional forces. They live in the region but they're not pumping out units built to fight in Mega Cities, not pushing for more amphibious vehicles (although they are working on landing craft...what the modern day Marine Corps call "surface connectors"...what an idiotic rebranding!) but simply developing forces to kill us in a standup fight.
Why is that interesting?
Because they sought to match us when it comes to stealth aircraft. They're building aircraft carriers to match us. They have anti-ship ballistic missiles to defeat our capital ships.
But on the ground?
They're not looking to develop anything fancy. They're just gonna come at us head on with nothing more fancy than vehicles that mirror our own, and maybe might be a little less powerful.
That should worry us all.
Why?
Because that indicates on a man for man level they believe that they're better than us. That was once Marine Corps thinking. We could use old vehicles/equipment but individually we were better than the enemy. More capable, and able to make up for material differences with the quality of our personnel.

http://china-defense.blogspot.in/2017/02/pla-toe-update-60th-light-combined-arms.html

 

[amoy]

Military vet returns to China after being trapped in India for 50 years
2017-02-10 11:26:08 CRIENGLISH.com Web Editor: Guo Jing

Wang Qi holds his mother's photo. [Photo: Agencies]

Eighty-year-old military veteran Wang Qi is to leave India on Friday bound for his hometown in northwest China's Shaanxi province, after being trapped in India for over half a century, and spending seven of those years in prison.

Wang was stationed near the Indian border while serving with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) in 1963, when he accidently wandered into India and due to his lack of official documents has been unable to leave ever since, CCTV reports.

Wang expressed a strong desire to return home, but his request had been denied due to Wang's complex identity and lack of travel funds.

A favourable turn of events occurred after Wang's nephew Wang Yingjun visited him in 2009, with his nephew reporting Wang's story to authorities in China.

With help from many people, Wang Qi finally got his passport in 2013.

Wang Qi, now nearly 80 years old, has been living in a remote Indian village for 50 years after mistakenly wandering over the border, trapping him there, in 1963. [Photo: Agencies]

The Chinese embassy in India said it had kept in touch with Wang, as well as the relevant authorities in India, and had tried their best to help Wang.

Long Yue Charity based in Shenzhen is covering all Wang's expenses for his return home, while the civil affairs bureau in Shaanxi province has promised to provide Wang with special care.

The village committee where Wang was born has also announced they will provide him with a home if he plans to stay in the village for the rest of his life.

Wang Qi, a former PLA soldier, was tasked with building roads when he mistakenly crossed the border into India in 1963. [Photo: Agencies]

Wang joined the Chinese People's Liberation Army in 1960 and was tasked with building roads for the Chinese army on the border with India in 1963, but in December of that year he lost his way after wandering away from camp.

He flagged down a Red Cross vehicle, and was picked up and handed over to the Indian army, and then spent the next seven years in a number of different prisons across India.

A photo of Wang Qi with his family in India. [Photo: Agencies]

Upon his release in 1969, he was taken to Tirodi, a small and remote village in the central state of Madhya Pradesh.

Wang made a living for himself, learnt Hindi and adopted an Indian name and later married a local woman and raised four children, but said his biggest wish was to return to China for his remaining years.

Wang Qi was able to have a video chat in January, 2017 with his now 84-year-old brother for the first time. "I couldn't recognize him. He looked so old. He said he was alive just for me." [Photo: Agencies]

During this Chinese New Year holiday, Wang saw his 84-year-old brother Wang Zhiyuan via video chat for the first time ever, his last contact with his brother had been in 1986.

Wang said he has sorely missed the handmade noodles of his hometown.

Wang Qi, now nearly 80 years old, has been living in a remote Indian village for 50 years after mistakenly wandering over the border, trapping him there, in 1963. [Photo: Agencies]

A photo of Wang Qi's siblings in China. [Photo: Agencies]

 

[TPFscopes]

Russia's Military Cooperation Service Denies S-400 Deliveries to China

 

[TheSeeker]

China has ordered deployment of 1500000 sildiers in North Korean border according to South Korean paper.

News Source: zerohedge.com

Most likely we are seeing afternath of Trump Xi meeting

 

[ezsasa]

China has ordered deployment of 1500000 sildiers in North Korean border according to South Korean paper.

News Source: zerohedge.com

Most likely we are seeing afternath of Trump Xi meeting

If true, then is china's first defensive move in 15 years.
So far they have been on the offensive in all aspects...

 

[TheSeeker]

If true, then is china's first defensive move in 15 years.
So far they have been on the offensive in all aspects...

It may also be an arrangement between Xi and Trump where Chinese are stationing soldiers to stop immigrants from No Ko as Trump is about to order some fireworks at No Ko

 

[amoy]

China Shipbuilding considers move to expand in Malaysia to support LMS contract
Jon Grevatt, Langkawi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
22 March 2017

Malaysia's LMS vessel Source: IHS Markit/Ridzwan Rahmat

China Shipbuilding and Offshore International - the international trading arm of the state-owned China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC) - is contemplating setting up an office in Malaysia to support the country's programme to build littoral mission ships (LMS) for the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN), a company spokesman told Jane'sat the LIMA 2017 exhibition in Langkawi.

The official said such a move is being considered as part of CSIC's expanding involvement in the Malaysian shipbuilding industry as a result of the LMS programme, which is expected to be channelled through a joint venture (JV) between CSIC and Boustead Naval Shipyard (BNS), a subsidiary of the Boustead Heavy Industries Corporation (BHIC).

"We will provide full support for the local production programme," said the official, "and that could include setting up an office in Malaysia". The official did not provide details about the collaboration programme but BHIC has recently disclosed that it will initially feature the construction of four LMS vessels for MYR1.17 billion (USD264 million).

It is understood that investment details about the JV have yet to be agreed, although the equity split of the new company it is expected to be approximately 60:40, with the BNS holding the larger stake.

Under the construction programme, the first two LMS vessels will be built by CSIC in China and delivered in 2019 and 2020, while the remaining two vessels will be built by BNS and delivered in 2021. The programme is subsequently expected to expand, with BNS constructing up to 14 additional LMS vessels under licence to replace several classes of ships operated by the RMN.

 

[tharun]

China has ordered deployment of 1500000 sildiers in North Korean border according to South Korean paper.

News Source: zerohedge.com

Most likely we are seeing afternath of Trump Xi meeting

Zero hedge is a piece of shit news outlet..literally speaking white supremacy and christan bastards.
If you got time read news related on India.

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

Photoshop Fail! China Uses Russian MiGs, US Warships to Celebrate Military Might
© AFP 2017/ STR
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE
22:06 25.04.2017

Whoever created the image recently disseminated across China to rouse support for the People’s Liberation Army’s 68th anniversary apparently took a great deal of artistic license in making his vision of “China’s army."

The poster does feature China’s own Liaoning aircraft carrier, which was started by the Soviets before being auctioned off to China, which later put it into operation. But that may be the only thing domestic about the photo.

© CHINESE MINISTRY OF NATIONAL DEFENSE
Chinese Defense Ministry Poster

The jet shown soaring off the ship’s deck? It’s a Russian MiG-35 fighter, the South China Morning Post reports. And those two fearsome combat ship escorting the Liaoning? Those are US amphibious combat vessels. So much for Chinese pride.

“This picture shows everyone at the propaganda department is mentally deficient,” said one commenter on Weibo, a hugely popular social media platform in China.

“We are so patriotic, in vain,” another user exclaimed.

A trio of jets prominently depicted flying past are Chinese jets — J-10s, specifically — but the Chinese version of the jet designed for aircraft carrier take-off and landing are the J-15s, the SCMP points out.

To add insult to injury, the imaginative poster isn’t even technically impressive. For all its status as one of the richest nations in the world, China seems to be choosing to celebrate its great army with a design that looks barely one step up from a poster you’d see attached to a street sign designed by a couple of teenagers taking a trial run at Photoshop.

One wonders why the country wouldn’t have chosen to broadcast the newly finished Type 001A aircraft carrier, China’s first indigenously crafted aircraft carrier. It has yet to take to sea, but according to satellite photos, the construction scaffolding around the ship has been taken down, and its commanders are simply waiting for the right tidal conditions to launch the as-yet-unnamed ship.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201704251052995869-photoshop-fail-china-russia-us/

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This reminds me of the top gun video Chinese military used in the past .


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[Vinod DX9]

View attachment 15860 Found recently in FB during a short documentary on Silk Road...China shows entire J&K and Arunachal Pradesh as their territory....Are they taking psychological preparedness ? And if that is just diplomatic game then why can't we too show Tibet as independent nation , at least like PoK..CoT, China Occupied Tibet ?

 

[tharun]

What is the organization structure and formations and size units of the PLA Ground forces

 

[Innocent]

Pigeon with Chinese numbers creates a flutter on Arunachal border


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...chal-border/story-CloJolMf3hgaNCTs05I6aN.html


The pigeon was caught with Chinese tags in Anjaw district of Arunachal Pradesh. (HT Photo)

A pigeon with a tag bearing Chinese numbers has created a flutter in Anjaw district of Arunachal Pradesh on the Sino-Indian border. Anjaw villagers captured the pigeon on Sunday.

“We got information that villagers have captured a bird with tags. The forest department has been alerted to find out details,” Mamata Riba, deputy commissioner of Anjaw, told HT on Monday.

Amid talk that the pigeon could be part of a Chinese plan to carry out surveillance, officials did not say whether the bird was also fitted with transmitters or cameras.

A picture of the pigeon with the tag on its left leg has been widely shared on social media. District officials said this was the first recorded instance of such a capture.

The tag on the bird could be for research purposes, said officials. “Unless ascertained otherwise, we can’t surmise on our own since the nature of tagging is apparently for research. We are waiting for the forest department report,” Riba said.

Union home minister Rajnath Singh asked chief ministers of five Himalayan states and senior Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) officials on Saturday to remain “very vigilant” against Chinese transgression along the border.

Addressing the first meeting of CMs of Himalayan states, which are located along the Sino-Indian border, in Gangtok, Singh sought improvement of basic infrastructure in the areas so that locals do not migrate.

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

Implications for India
Saurav Jha, March 26, 2016 0:06 IST

CHINA'S MILITARY MIGHT : According to reports, the elevation may also see its sway enhanced to include control of China's emerging undersea nuclear deterrence.

On December 31, 2015, the People’s Liberation Army Second Artillery Force (PLASAF) that reports directly to the Central Military Commission (CMC) was rechristened the PLA Rocket Force (PLARF) in an establishment ceremony attended by Chinese President Xi Jinping. The rechristening marked the elevation of the PLASAF, now PLARF, from an independent branch to a full ‘service’ at par with the army, air force and navy.

According to reports, the elevation may also see its sway enhanced to include control of China’s emerging undersea nuclear deterrent. This would be in keeping with Xi’s statement during the ceremony that the “PLARF is China’s core strategic deterrence power and PLARF should strengthen the trustworthy and reliable nuclear deterrence and nuclear counter-attack capabilities”. Beyond nuclear deterrence, the PLARF is also being fashioned into a major tool for prosecuting ‘limited campaigns under informationised conditions’.

This naturally has major implications for the India-China military balance and will require an Indian riposte to fend of strategic coercion. Indeed, during the establishment ceremony, Xi also called upon the PLARF to ‘intensify the construction of medium and long range precision strike power, and reinforce the strategic check-and-balance capability, so as to build a powerful and modern rocket force’.

This reflects the deep political support enjoyed by the PLARF for playing a key role in supporting China’s move for an ‘active defence’ strategy as emphasised in the military strategy white paper it released in 2015. Now, while the PLARF will serve as a counter-intervention asset in China’s strategic competition with the United States, it could well be used as a coercive instrument vis a vis India.

A recent official PLARF music video shows why the service seems increasingly confident of meeting its expanding brief. In the video, a new version of the DF-16 solid fuelled road mobile BM sporting a terminally guided manoeuvring biconic re-entry vehicle (RV) designed to evade anti-ballistic missile (ABM) defences is revealed. The base version of the DF-16 with a range of 800-1,000 km, publicly displayed for the first time during China’s September 3 Victory Day (V-day) Parade last year, is in itself an improvement over the legacy DF-15 family, given that it is faster and longer ranged.

That V-day parade also saw PLARF putting on display for the first time systems like the solid fuelled DF-26 BM with a range of 4000 km, that too has a manoeuvring re-entry vehicle (MaRV) and can be modified to become an anti-ship BM (ASBM), as well as the DF-21D, whi-ch is the much talked about ASBM member of the DF-21 family. Incidentally, the terminally guided DF-21C with a range of 1,750 km is being fielded in increasing numbers on the Tibetan plateau.

Further displayed during the V-day parade was the DF-10A land-attack cruise missiles (LACM) with a range of 1,500 km, showing the other side of the PLARF’s diverse inventory. Simultaneous massed cruise and ballistic missile strikes greatly complicate things for defenders since the sensor and shooter requirements for countering either are different. And, the PLARF is certainly capable of backing qualitative improvements with a quantitative surge.

Growing capabilities

As a full-fledged service, the PLARF is entitled to having its own academies, research institutes and logistic support system. To be fair, it already has such elements but now it will be able to do even more. A critical factor for being able to launch dense missile raids is the availability of enough low signature launchers and not just missiles. Almost each type of missile in the PLARF inventory now may have at least 200 mobile launchers supporting it.

Steady growth in PLARF capabilities means that it is seen by the CMC as the tip of the spear for neutralising targets such as air defence sites, command and control nodes, early warning radars and airbases making it a key enabler of air operations. This is particularly true for PLAAF operations from the Tibetan plateau where sortie rates and payloads will continue to be constrained by altitude, the recent extension of runways notwithstanding. This is further indicated by the rising tempo of PLARF-PLAAF joint exercises.

Moreover, the PLARF has been given a significant role in planning integrated joint operations (IJOs) by the PLA due to its superior understanding of nodal analysis and strategic targeting. The fact that nearly 60 launch pads have been prepared in Tibet for DF-21 units alone shows clear intent to use the PLARF in a pre-emptive mode against India. It is important to note that newer missiles like the DF-26 do not even need pre-prepared launch pads and extend PLARF coverage to include centres of gravity deep inside Indian territory.

Nevertheless, whether the PLA has the inter-service cohesion required to pull off complex IJOs is a matter of debate. For instance, the recently created CMC national mobilisation department that will oversee provincial military commands has only six PLAAF officers out of a total of 58. This does not exactly bode well for effective IJOs. Also, while the integral C4ISR available to the PLARF may be adequate for attacking area targets, point strikes will require PLA wide C4ISR co-ordination, something that is always difficult to do.

Overall, the PLARF is a complex system in itself and has single points of failure. These points need to be identified and attacked with long range precision systems of India’s own such as the Nirbhay LACM, Brahmos derivatives and boost-glide systems such as the Shaurya.

While ABMs for protecting certain nodes are important, full-spectrum ABM defence to guard against the PLARF is neither feasible nor affordable. The Indian response has to be symmetric in nature so that the PLARF is unable to level the playing field for the PLAAF and the Indian Air Force can establish air superiority over Tibetan skies.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/536735/implications-india.html

 

[SanjeevM]

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/chi...riable-ramjet-engine/articleshow/59014060.cms

If true, Chinese aircrafts can fire air to air missiles from 300 km away. Hope we are able to counter them.

 

[J20!]

Found a very good article by Henri K on EastPendulum on the small task force heading to the Baltic Sea to take part in the Russian-Sino Joint Sea exercise in the Mediterranean and Baltic Seas. Note that there will be a second phase to the exercises held in the Pacific by different CN vessels. The has very good, high quality pictures of all the vessels in the task force as they leave Sanya Naval base, headquarters of the South Sea Fleet.

What's notable is that this will be the very first overseas expedition by a Type 052D class destroyer. The Task Force is made up of DDG173 Changsha, FFG571 Yuncheng - a Type 054A frigate- and a Type 903A Replenishment ship 964 Luomahu.

NB: This article has been translated from French via Google translate, so forgive the obvious and numerous errors in Grammar.

http://www.eastpendulum.com/bientot-1ᵉʳ-destroyer-type-052d-mer-baltique

THE FIRST TYPE 052D TO VISIT THE BALTIC SEA

Three Chinese warships, including the new destroyer 173 Changsha of Type 052D , dropped the moorings on Sunday morning at the port of Sanya and are currently heading to Europe.

They will participate in the first phase of the Sino-Russian naval exercises "Joint Sea 2017" which will take place at the end of July in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad in the Baltic Sea.

This is the first time that this Chinese destroyer of last generation landed in the region. This second Type 052D is accompanied by frigate 571 Yuncheng of Type 054A and tanker-tanker 964 Luomahu of Type 903A , standard composition of a Chinese fleet with two first-class ships and a logistics ship

The route of the Chinese fleet has not been detailed at this time, but it should logically cross the Indian Ocean and the Suez Canal to enter the Mediterranean Sea before crossing the Strait of Gibraltar to Channel, the North Sea then the Baltic.

The main topic of this new edition of joint naval exercises between China and Russia, organized once a year since 2012, is the rescue at sea and the protection of maritime economic activities

The "Sea Sea 2017" will be separated into two parts - apart from maneuvers in the Baltic Sea, the two navies are also planning to deploy in the Sea of Japan and Sea of Okhotsk by the end of September.

In 2016, Chinese and Russian naval forces conducted joint exercises in the South China Sea, which included for the first time the subject of the amphibious assault on an island.

The location of these military maneuvers in areas of potential tension for both shows clearly mutual support between the two countries but does not necessarily mean an intention to intervene jointly in the event of a problem, Not at the moment.

Note that this is the first participation in an "overseas" exercise for a Type 052D destroyer. The building, 173Changsha , floated in late December 2012 and admitted to active service by the Southern Fleet in August 2015, moves in 6,000 tons and now represents the most advanced first-class ship in China. But it will soon be dethroned with the imminent arrival of the Type 055 , a new class of destroyer (cruiser according to NATO) of 12 000 tons, the launching of the first building would be expected by the end of June.

With such an AESA radar with planar faces of Type 346A and a wide array of weapons in its 64 vertical launch silos, the Type 052D is a new generation of Chinese multirole destroyer with a penchant for anti-air missions . Five vessels of this class are currently in active service and at least seven others are in armaments.

According to a source close to the case, the Chinese navy has ordered 8 additional hulls, based on 18 buildings acquired previously. The Type 052D will probably become the most constructed destroyer class in China.

The frigate 571 Yuncheng , meanwhile, is the 5th in series of the frigate class Type 054A. Active in January 2010 in the Southern Fleet, the 4,000-ton vessel has already carried out several missions abroad, including two in the Gulf of Aden.

More than 24 frigates of this class have been built so far, and the Chinese navy already foresees the successor, the Type 054B, which should equip for the first time an all-electric propulsion system

The third and last vessel of the Chinese fleet, tanker 964 Luomahu , is the last of the eight vessels of the Type 903 class, and it has been less than a year since joining the Chinese navy (see Our file " Two tanker tankers Type 903A admitted to active service ").

Moving 20,530 tons full load, it is capable of carrying up to 10,700 tons of solid and liquid refueling, and refueling three ships simultaneously thanks to the four lateral and skid positions as well as a helicopter for the VERTREP.

Henri K.

 

[Screambowl]

China to reduce it's 2.3 million pla to under 1 million ........
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chin...p-cut-report-1723603?pfrom=home-lateststories