China 'losing edge' as low-cost manufacture

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    This thing has been foreseen by everyone including chinese for years. Chineses have been preparing for it in the past decades.
    If we check the exportation of china, there is trend: higher value product such as machines, electronic, etc have become its majority. So, it looks like the impact of this shift has been limited to minimum on China.

    Since this is an indian forum, we have to ask a question: Does india prepare well for this shift? India is a huge country with at leat a hundred millions work force waiting on the line. Only grab a small portion of this means nothing to india but a failure.
     
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    Does that mean more sweatshops in India?
     
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    5 billion!? Laughable. That's like a drop of water in an ocean. Taiwan and China will continue to dominate the semiconductor industries for a long time.
     
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    This is a start for 2 projects. India just has to make it cheaper then China an Taiwan.All the big name semiconductor companies already in India asking for manufacturing facilities.
     
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    Which ones? You mean all the Taiwanese companies that have their plants set up in China and are in bed with the politicians there?

    Please be on topic, no need to bring tata or whatsoever .

     
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    what about a story that the same maruti-800 which is once poppular in india come with a rename in china ,so cheap isnt that bad ,and p.s small learning is a dengarous thing
     
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    The link you provided is a bunch of bull. There's nothing that suggests major fab companies like Intel, Tawain Semiconductor, Hitachi, or the Chinese SMIC are going to produce these goods in India. It just says India will buy more chips, and that is hardly surprising.


     
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    With USA wanting to reduce trade with China US corporations will invest in whatever manufacturing investments needed.
     
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    You say that, but China and US trade increases every year. Biden's visit to China chalked up huge business deals. That's not a sign of wanting to reduce trade is it? The US congress refuses to sell F-16's to Taiwan b/c it doesn't want to hurt bilateral trade.

    Plus besides Intel, US semiconductor companies are few and far between. The rest of the industry is in East Asia where they have close ties with China.


    Wen Jia Bao is set for a state visit to Washington. I bet you'll see some record breaking business deals there.
     
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    We have unions.
     
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    The rising cost of labor and shipping abroad are driving manufacturing back to the U.S. So are the logistics of dealing with far-flung suppliers.


    .....The cost of shipping outsourced goods from China to U.S. customers has doubled in just two years thanks to high oil prices, and labor costs in China are rising sharply......

    And plenty of manufacturers will continue looking for ever cheaper places to produce. In fact, as the cost of doing business in China rises, many companies - including Chinese firms - are shifting their production to less expensive markets, such as Vietnam.

    U.S. companies are rethinking manufacturing in China - Sep. 11, 2008
     
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    These so called high end industries cannot solve your mass unemployed population and all those work forces transfered from argriculture department. Worst of worse, they don't have production skills to be a worker yet. They need some point to start.

    On the other hand, you society need time to make adjustment to fit this industrilization. For example, high-end manufacturing generally requires higher leve infractructure, high intensive talent market and higher level government support/mamangment. Most importantly, these industries require a less-competitive market to start, which is your domestic low-cost producer, Neither of these factors has existed in india yet.
     
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    Union doesn't help in this matter. Currently your unions are covering those workers who already have skills. But low-cost manufacturing is aiming at those with no skill or less skill. Employers would never pay a skillful worker wage to a less skillful worker. So union would either allow these sweatshops or force the gov to shut down them.
     
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    If Indian workers can't work with a lower wage than Chinese, no manufacturing will be shifted to India.
     
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    for my dear PRC fellows here who have no idea of the situation in india as of now let me tell you that there is a vast pool of young and educated personnel who can work for a small percentage of wage when compared to resy of the world . as for unskilled labour an avarage labourer or cooli as we call them gets Rs: 150 on a daily basis and a coconut tree climber gets 200 per tree so salaries for both skilled and unskilled labours are among the Highest in the south eastern region but still cheaper compared to the rest of the world
     
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    For all the people who are bashing china, Let's get a reality check. Chinese workers are much more disciplined and professional in their work ethics as compared to the unionized Indian workers. the work culture in India has been systematically eroded during the last 50 years. this process is called cash for votes scam. has anybody heard of this term before!!, the same thing is happening in the U.S to. Politics is the main problem and nothing else.
     

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