China LOSES claim on South China Sea at UN-backed Tribunal, threatens WAR

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Typical Chinese, an obnoxious ignoramus. The decision is not a mere opinion as it is a binding ruling under the settlement mechanism of UNCLOS which China is a part of (Did your country pulled out of UNCLOS? No? So it is bound by it). Go read first before you start typing comments here. Your ignorant rants is an insult to the intelligence of the members of this forum.
Okay, you have no idea how to get past the PLA Navy.

No fish for you.
 

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There might be some truth to that. We don't know what agreement Doval and Parrikar made during their respective visits but I remember that China had said in official state media last week that India is trying to milk both China and US, or something to that effect. So, it seems India has made some formal commitments to China (which only the establishment knows about) maybe about not indulging in an active war against China over SCS but restricting our participation to just doing joint patrols (maybe in exchange for some concessions relating to Pakistan). So China keeps reminding us through these indirect taunts to make our establishment come clean on our official stance.

One thing we all know for sure is that India will never antagonize China to the extent of US. From our point of view, US is no different than China, neither of them are our wellwishers, so we have no stake in sacrificing our own soldiers to help one party annihilate the other, because what happens when China is gone? US will come for us! Even if a war doesn't happen, joining a US coalition is tantamount to surrendering our strategic autonomy and becoming a junior partner. What happens when US starts occupying Vietnam and Philippines under the pretext of fighting China? will the US not be in a position to threaten our maritime trade and use it as a blackmail tactic? (remember 1971?) It will be a classic case of "aasman se gire, aur khajur pe atke".

Why do people assume that the US will be friendlier to us than China? We will get a better deal if we send our war machinery to Vietnam and handle it our own way instead of letting US make inroads and build permanent bases here. We are all suffering the consequences of the US making inroads in the Af-Pak region, we don't want the same to happen in the ASEAN region. We should co-operate with China to keep US out of S.E Asia, in exchange, it will free up strategic resources for us to break Pakistan and remove US influence from our western border. India, China, Russia can jointly agree on what the new order in Asia would look like after Pakistan is fragmented. In essence, US will be ousted from the Asian great game. Once this broader framework is agreed upon, we can sort our LAC border issues with China among ourselves. That is not an urgent matter now. Pakistan is; The same Pakistan to which US is dying to provide more weapons and aid. US is the real enemy.

@asianobserve Don't get too excited about the US-Phli mutual defense treaty. What it means is that the US will send troops to your country and occupy your land on the pretext of helping you fight China (just like NATO has done with Europe). You are basically volunteering to being colonized by the US for the fear of being colonized by China. We all know what happens when US troops occupy a land, they never leave! they will sit there, they will bribe your politicians and defense establishment to manufacture public opinion to make sure that they never have to vacate your nation. Japan is learning it the hard way. They will sit on your land and provoke China just to keep the Chinese threat alive in your minds and use it to extend US occupation.
I'm not assuming US's rule here in anyway.
Our 55% of trade passes through waters claimed by China. Their sovereignty in such a huge territory in East Asia will further strengthen their bid in IOR.
India can't support China in SCS anyway, even if it remains neutral initially, it will involve against China if war is going in their favour.
Mark my words.
 

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Looking at security situation in our neighbourhood, it is extremely unlikely that India will support China on SCS. We must and we will poke China the wrong way in equal measures. This is in our interest to keep the US and it's allies entangled for next 10 years or so so as to divert their (both US and China) focus away from the Indian Subcontinent. A decade will be sufficient for us to build up our defences and a security structure in the region which favours us.

Look at the way Russia has been acting, Russia is asking for regional dialogue but has been arming the Vietnamese navy. Instead of getting directly involved, we must try to extract benefits, and most importantly extract commitments from China regarding it's role in our Region.
 

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For the record, the title of the thread was changed without my consent.

I never suggested China threatened war. There's no one to threaten war against.

The Philippines is too weak.

The US is staying extremely silent. The US knows it will lose a war in the South China Sea. China controls all of the South China Sea islands.

Also, China has unlimited reinforcements from Hainan Island and the Chinese mainland (including air power and missiles).
 

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For the record, the title of the thread was changed without my consent.

I never suggested China threatened war. There's no one to threaten war against.

The Philippines is too weak.

The US is staying extremely silent. The US knows it will lose a war in the South China Sea. China controls all of the South China Sea islands.

Also, China has unlimited reinforcements from Hainan Island and the Chinese mainland (including air power and missiles).

You're delusional. China has no and cannot control the West Philippine Sea with those unfinished little structures. The US and allies has actually surrounded China in that area. The Philippines alone is a million times the area of these illegal Chinese fantasy islands. The Philippines is a huge unsinkable aircraft carrier, destroyer, cruiser and sea basing all rolled into one for the US in case the situation becomes hot in the West Philippine Sea.

Spratlys is well within range from land based batteries based in Palawan like HIMARS. The same thing with Scarborough Shoal which is very near Subic and well within range of the HIMARS based there. It'll be a massacre in those Chinese illegal posts if the US so choses. I believe the Chinese pussies in those unfinished and poorly defended structures must be wetting their pants now...
 

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You're delusional. China has no and cannot control the West Philippine Sea with those unfinished little structures. The US and allies has actually surrounded China in that area. The Philippines alone is a million times the area of these illegal Chinese fantasy islands. The Philippines is a huge unsinkable aircraft carrier, destroyer, cruiser and sea basing all rolled into one for the US in case the situation becomes hot in the West Philippine Sea.

Spratlys is well within range from land based batteries based in Palawan like HIMARS. The same thing with Scarborough Shoal which is very near Subic and well within range of the HIMARS based there. It'll be a massacre in those Chinese illegal posts if the US so choses. I believe the Chinese pussies in those unfinished and poorly defended structures must be wetting their pants now...
Are you blind? You don't see the Chinese PLA Navy in the South China Sea?

 

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Are you blind? You don't see the Chinese PLA Navy in the South China Sea?


You're so desperate to make people believe that PLAN is an invincible fighting machine that can defy natural limitations. Well for starters those tiny unfinished Chinese abominations and environmental disasters are not only tiny they are also immobile. They're too close to the Philippines, as in fact the UNCLOS tribunal has ruled it is part of Philippine EEZ, and they're too far from China mainland. Mobile land based artillery systems like HIMARS can lay waste to it. PLAN ships will have the impossible task of defending those idiotic stilettos of your secretly drag transvestite President Xi. We're not even counting yet the 7th Fleet which has returned back to the Philippines in all but official reference.
 

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Blustering US is a paper tiger in South China Sea: Chinese media

Insinuations, bullying and now provocations have started by China.

I remember just couple of years back how Chinese used to preach Indians at WAB and PDF how we should respect neighbors. People like Ray were at the forefront of showing them the mirror, which they arrogantly never wanted to see.

Peaceful rise of China has become joke of the century.
 

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Blustering US is a paper tiger in South China Sea: Chinese media

Insinuations, bullying and now provocations have started by China.

I remember just couple of years back how Chinese used to preach Indians at WAB and PDF how we should respect neighbors. People like Ray were at the forefront of showing them the mirror, which they arrogantly never wanted to see.

Peaceful rise of China has become joke of the century.

This Martian guy is doing a very bad job of promoting official Chinese line on this issue and even worse in trying to scare off opponents. He should be transferred to another job perhaps washing the underwear of their very corrupt President Xi (his relatives are getting rich at lightning speed and poor Martian is not even being given a raise in his impossible job).
 

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This Martian guy is doing a very bad job of promoting official Chinese line on this issue and even worse in trying to scare off opponents. He should be transferred to another job perhaps washing the underwear of their very corrupt President Xi (his relatives are getting rich at lightning speed and poor Martian is not even being given a raise in his impossible job).
The Chinese Coast Guard just stopped Philippine fishermen at Huangyan Dao (aka Scarborough Shoal).

That's the soft approach.

The PLA Navy stands behind the Chinese Coast Guard and will take action if necessary.

That's reality. Deal with it.
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If you think you can stop the PLA Navy, go ahead and try it.

 

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The Chinese Coast Guard just stopped Philippine fishermen at Huangyan Dao (aka Scarborough Shoal).

That's the soft approach.

The PLA Navy stands behind the Chinese Coast Guard and will take action if necessary.

That's reality. Deal with it.
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If you think you can stop the PLA Navy, go ahead and try it.


Oh, very scary. You do not disappoint in portraying being the typical mainland Chinese, hopelessly nouveau riche. Well, I agree that the Philippines is no match militarily to China but somebody else is which has an MDT with the Philippines. But even if the US does not evict Chinese assets in South Philippine Sea in behalf of the Philippines, still poor and ill-equipped Philippines has just dealt a massive moral, political and legal blow to China's 9-dash line ambition. Bye-bye 9-dash line...
 

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Oh, very scary. You do not disappoint in portraying being the typical mainland Chinese, hopelessly nouveau riche. Well, I agree that the Philippines is no match militarily to China but somebody else is which has an MDT with the Philippines. But even if the US does not evict Chinese assets in South Philippine Sea in behalf of the Philippines, still poor and ill-equipped Philippines has just dealt a massive moral, political and legal blow to China's 9-dash line ambition. Bye-bye 9-dash line...
A full day has gone by.

Has Obama said anything? Nope. He's giving a speech on police killings of blacks.

Has the Department of Defense said anything? Silence there too.

How about Vice President Biden? Zippo.

How about the EU? Haven't heard a peep.

There is no one to help you.

Your MDT is just a piece of paper.
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In the United States, the South China Sea isn't even a top story. (See left hand column of Google page below)

 

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A full day has gone by.

Has Obama said anything? Nope. He's giving a speech on police killings of blacks.

Has the Department of Defense said anything? Silence there too.

How about Vice President Biden? Zippo.

How about the EU? Haven't heard a peep.

There is no one to help you.

Your MDT is just a piece of paper.
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In the United States, the South China Sea isn't even a top story. (See left hand column of Google page below)

This is what you can come out with; whether American are talking about China or not ?

Is USA starting shooting at PLAN will the only rational to defeat your argument ?

I have yet to read any American on any web portal saying UNCLOS verdict equals go for shooting wars at high seas against China.

Chinese who have lost the face are now beating war drums. Heck you people can not even do proper war mongering as your Government banned same websites it was grooming with ultra nationalism. May be it is Chinese way of doing things; 'See ! our people are very angry, but we will tell them not to be'. I have seen such tantrums when one local group gets a set back after Police scolds them off.

China censors comments calling for military action upon West Philippine Sea ruling

Your indifference, bravado, claiming to be victims and then testing your theories in the absence of American reaction is a clownish cocktail of Chinese paranoia. Please come up with one emotion so that we know what exactly you people are cribbing about.

Your argument that China is too powerful that such verdicts do not effects may have some fan following with Pakistanis but educated readership of DFI knows and it has been already asserted here in this very thread that it has nothing to do with shooting wars happening in South Vietnam seas but Chinese losing a legal argument that will have serious implications vis a vis all the territorial claims you people make against your neighbors by referring to historicity.

Of course it will be business as usual for everyone as they are not the aggressors and they do not make preposterous claims. Ball is in Chinese court to start the war.

Like it or not, UNCLOS arbitration is legally binding for China
 

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As I said earlier China has a specific FALSE Propaganda Department which has 50-CENT'ers.They chose specific keywords since it gets up in SEO search and then lands up to their false created sources.Pakis have learnt the same from their new Master China.

Chinese also have a Warning Issue Department which has specific warning for all of it's neighbors who doesn't agree with their illegal demands.A nation which rolls Tanks on it's OWN people can never respect sovereignty of others or their POV.The reason Chinese see only the FILTERED data at home.Same as Pak/NK.These countries have same footprints.
 

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Xi’s ‘Neighborhood Diplomacy’ Runs Aground in South China Sea

An international tribunal’s rejection of China’s claim to most of the South China Sea has exposed a problem with President Xi Jinping’s "neighborhood diplomacy." It hasn’t been very neighborly.
The ruling, which resulted from a Philippine complaint, showed the shortcomings of Xi’s effort to break from the "hide and bide" diplomacy of predecessors since Deng Xiaoping and proactively expand ties with China’s neighbors. In the South China Sea at least, the decision has made it harder for China to argue it intends to treat adjacent states "as friends and partners, to make them feel safe and to help them develop," as Xi pledged when announcing his "neighborhood diplomacy" in October 2013.
An Asean meeting in the southwestern Chinese city of Kunming ended in chaos last month after Malaysia released -- and then retracted -- a joint statement expressing "serious concerns" over developments in the sea. While ministers agreed on the unusually direct language, the communique was withdrawn after China lobbied Laos, holder of the rotating Asean chair.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ood-diplomacy-runs-aground-in-south-china-sea
 

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As I said earlier China has a specific FALSE Propaganda Department which has 50-CENT'ers.They chose specific keywords since it gets up in SEO search and then lands up to their false created sources.Pakis have learnt the same from their new Master China.

Chinese also have a Warning Issue Department which has specific warning for all of it's neighbors who doesn't agree with their illegal demands.A nation which rolls Tanks on it's OWN people can never respect sovereignty of others or their POV.The reason Chinese see only the FILTERED data at home.Same as Pak/NK.These countries have same footprints.


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LOL...

Chinese r now under...Mountain..

indian never back Chinese on SCS

after NSG. what China did with india..

here is..a Line

Every Dog has a Day..
but here..
A Chinese dog had a day.. but they could not make..it..
 

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This is an Indian forum. The subsection thread Country Watch : China, is meant to monitor China. It doesn't mean just because it has China in title, hence it belongs to China
@Martian objected to certain term used by @Oblaks as a personal attack. The word used by @Oblaks is illegal under Indian law. Even if it were legal, it still violates the Forum Rules.
 

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For the record, the title of the thread was changed without my consent.

I never suggested China threatened war. There's no one to threaten war against.

The Philippines is too weak.

The US is staying extremely silent. The US knows it will lose a war in the South China Sea. China controls all of the South China Sea islands.

Also, China has unlimited reinforcements from Hainan Island and the Chinese mainland (including air power and missiles).
US is having 11 carier battle group, and china? with what will you fight? dragons? US will turn you into stone age noodlers. china don't even have guts to attack india, or get thrashed. not even vietnam, and you talk about US? how many cents you earner today?
 

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US is having 11 carier battle group, and china? with what will you fight? dragons? US will turn you into stone age noodlers. china don't even have guts to attack india, or get thrashed. not even vietnam, and you talk about US? how many cents you earner today?
11 carriers can be sunk with 11 anti-ship cruise missiles or anti-ship ballistic missiles.

In this picture alone, the 12 Chinese DF-21D ASBMs can sink all 11 US carriers.
 

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