China is copying school system from Finland

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  1. jouni

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    Ã…China education reform takes page from Finland

    What Finland Can Teach China | The Diplomat

    What Finland Shows China, U.S. | The Diplomat

    Chinese do not want to left anything by change on their way to world domination.

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    Finnish way:

    Finland does not give their kids standardized tests.


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    Individual schools have curriculum autonomy; individual

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    teachers have classroom autonomy.

    It is not mandatory to give students grades until they are in the

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    8th grade.

    All teachers are required to have a master's degree.

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    Finland does not have a culture of negative accountability for

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    their teachers. According to Partanen, "bad" teachers receive more professional development; they are not threatened with being fired.

    Finland has a culture of collaboration between schools, not

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    competition. Most schools, according to Partanen, perform at the same level, so there is no status in attending a particular facility.

    Finland has no private schools.

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    Education emphasis is "equal opportunity to all."They value

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    equality over excellence.

    A much higher percentage of Finland's educational budget goes

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    directly into the classroom than it does in the US, as administrators make approximately the same salary as teachers. This also makes Finland's education more affordable than it is in the US.

    Finnish culture values childhood independence; one example:

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    children mostly get themselves to school on their own, by walking or bicycling, etc. Helicopter parenting isn't really in their vocabulary.

    Finnish schools don't assign homework, because it is assumed

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    that mastery is attained in the classroom.

    Finnish schools have sports, but no sports teams. Competition is

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    not valued.

    The focus is on the individual child. If a child is falling behind, the

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    highly trained teaching staff recognizes this need and immediately creates a plan to address the child's individual needs. Likewise, if a child is soaring ahead and bored, the staff is trained and prepared to appropriately address this as well.

    Partanen correlated the methods and success of their public

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    schools to US private schools. We already have a model right here at home.

    Compulsory school in Finland doesn't begin until children are 7

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    years old.
     
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  3. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    I wish China had copied all the 15 items from Finland - especially this [Finnish schools don't assign homework]. But the facts seem Chinese school sys. is getting farther and farther from Finnish.

    Quite contrary to copying Finland China has a lot of private school emerging at very high tuition with assumed better "quality". There used to be no "private school" like Finland.

    And [childhood independence]? My feel is Chinese children get less and less independent - rather than by walking or bicycling kids are sent to school by adults. Apart from prevailing one-child maybe another reason is Chinese may be living far off from "good schools".

    Wait a second, [Compulsory school in Finland doesn't begin until children are 7] - I think this is the rule before Finland became known among Chinese.:lol:
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    @amoy,

    The Finnish school system seems to be rather uncompetitive. It hinders progress by curtailing competition. IMHO, if this type of philosophy ("equality over excellence") is applied in India, it will spell doom for our country, and our new generation. How do you see this?

    Some of the other points mentioned about the Finnish school system are indeed impressive, and I like them.
     
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    most of the points which the finnish use in applicable to a small population of students, what india has right now is a good system, and it can be made better by modifying the system, perhaps we must give free hand to the institutions in the way of teaching (as we have already given in most of the school).
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    I agree, it seems to be something that works for smaller populations. But I'm no expert, I could be wrong.

    But one thing is for sure. Copying something (be it democracy or education,) as it is from any country will not work. It needs to be tweaked to local conditions.
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    @jouni : When did Finnish schools start implementing these ideas, some dates ? Which of these points were a "cultural thing" and which of these were implemented as a result of a reform, perhaps ?
     
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    This is true sir. In India there is way too much competition for jobs and resources. The Finnish school system can work only for countries having smaller population. Our school systems follow the same guidelines as US/UK school systems do. In fact the concept of written exams came from China and was picked up by the British. I think the Chinese better say true to their old method of education.
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    This school reform was done in 1973, so it is over 40 years old. The reason why many countries came to study our school system is that Finland scored very high points in international comparisons the so called PISA-tests some five years ago and before that. The reason why Chinese were interested is that they believe that this Finnish way teaches children to be social, independent and most of all creative. My personal opinion is that this school system is the reason why in Finland we have very little social problems, when in the school son of the president and son of an unemployed sit in the same classroom there will be a very homogeneous society without class differentiation.
     
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    Just wanted to know for how many generations it has been around. Also I would be interested to know how good these policies and reforms hold if Finland becomes multicultural, which it might in the future.
    When you talk about such tests, they are not entirely indicative because they do not take a lot of background factors relative to the student, into consideration.
    Sounds like a socialist paradise :taunt: ;)
     
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    Finland in Helsinki at least is quite multicultural, maybe this school system is the reason why we have few problems with that. Regarding teaching religion in school, you can choose "elämänkatsomustieto" if you are not belonging to any religious group. So christian religion is not teached to non-christians. I have not heard about any problems regarding multicultural. In my home village school study 30 Russian children and they love Finnish shool system. You should not ridicule Chinese if the want to learn to be creative, when their education minister was visiting Finland he especially mentioned lack of creativity as one of the biggest weakness of Chinese students.
     
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    China's education system is highly competitive.

    There is this nine-hour 'gaokao' college entrance exam which saps those who prepare for it and sit for it.

    Children of migrants are barred from taking the test: because of China's residence registration system (hukou), these students are forced to attend high school in their home provinces, where schools are often, as reported, debilitatingly understaffed.

    Yet, the end result is quite stunningly impressive.

    The Programme for International Student Assessment tests students from 65 countries in reading, maths and science. Shanghai-China was number one in the world for all three categories.
     
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    Maybe.
    But I can not come to a consensus on this, as I don't have enough information and haven't done my research.
    Besides the effects of multiculturalism, the positives and the negatives, may not have yet manifested in your country. I'm not sure, but I'm just saying.
    Okay.
    I'm not ridiculing the Chinese, I don't know how you got that. I was laughing at the irony: All these years you guys were fighting socialism, now you re socialist ? :confused:
    And if you think China is a socialist paradise, you're wrong.
     
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    Finland have best education system in the world so its great for china.
    and its not copying its imitating.
     
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    We were fighting imperialism and communism. Nordic model of socialism is quite another story... currently we have coalition government with ministers from 6 different parties. It is called "rainbow-government". If you call socialist this Finnish model where "no-one is left behind", I´ll take it any day over other systems.
     
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    That is the issue.

    High on facts and details, but low on creativity and independent analysis.

    But then that is how it is.
     
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    Agree what works for a few million in a "socialist utopia" may not work for a billion.

    One of key factors is the high population base - offhand the only data I got is 54% of Senior Middle School students nationwide (under Chinese sys.) or got admitted to colleges/universities in Y2008. The competition is very keen therefore to keep heads above the water since so many contend for so few chances.

    I'm not sure abt India or Finland? 100% admission so that [ schools don't assign homework]? :lol:

    Urban children normally take private tuition outside school too at night or weekends, Maths, English, plus musical, sports classes etc. , usually expensive.

    All below things r fabulous -
    ......Finland does not give their kids standardized tests.
    ......Individual schools have curriculum autonomy; individual
    but just none will work in China in consideration of the stress in a 1.4b country. that's why it's encouraging more and more Chinese learn abroad.


    It's ridiculous some Indians like @Razor @Ray talked as if they were China experts with their 2nd-hand info or wild imagination but I bet none of posters in THIS thread have been to China physically. :lol:
     
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    The only comment I made on this thread with regards to China is that it is not a socialist paradise, which you yourself have indicated in your first line in the post.
    You should learn to read properly and quote/mention properly. And I have been to Hong Kong.
     
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    So, you agree that China is a bamboo curtain and made the forbidden land by the Chinese communists?

    It is you who is ridiculous to feel that people are not going to China and are only having second hand knowledge.

    However, you are right that one cannot go all over China and there are restricted areas.

    Wake up and get over the feeling that the folks on this thread have not seeing China.

    And anyway, the very fact that you cannot refute any of our observation is only leading to your frustration whereby you are hallucinating and meandering.
     
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    LOL...a week ago Finland was "a nazi US and NATO puppet country" and now we are a "socialist utopia", well who says you cannot both eat and save the cake.
     
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    Sir, a nazi US and Nato puppet is definitely not what I said, with all respect

    pls quote any of my original post with such content! Otherwise pls clarify!


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    Sorry, I did not meant you. Regularly here in this forum I and Finland have been labelled russophobic nazis by a lot of people. Nice to have balanced view. I am sorry, I should have been more clear. I like your posts, you have good views and occasionally "pick" some other nations without being offensive, that's great.
     

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