China, instigator, motivator and benificiary of Pak "Jihad" against US

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  1. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    The US Pak relations have been on a downward spiral. The latest NATO attack that killed Pak soldiers have hightened anti American sentiments. The religious parties have called for Jihad against the US continuance in Pakistan after the 15 day deadline to vacate the Shamsi Air base.

    Now this could all turn "official" as well. Pakistan worked out a military strategic deal with China to consider an attack on Pak as an attack on China. Pakistan may be emboldened to toughen its stance on the US. Now the US may be a benefactor of Pak but it may well forego it in its quest to keep its "ghairat". China may well prod the Pakistanis to take up Jihad against the US. The Us can flatten Pakistan but then Chinese assistance to the Pakis in terms of money and material to keep the Americans offer down in the region and inflict a lot of damage on the already battered US economy. The Us will be sucked into a Vietnam like conflict that it cannot afford to pull put of and china making sure that the US suffers at the hands of the Pakistanis.

    China would gain a lot from a US stuck in Pakistan.
     
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    Well I doubt that after the horror that happened in Kashgar, Chinese would like to take Jihad any forward. They have seen what can happen with Jihad is encouraged at ay level whether at firing end or receiving ends. Both of them are equally dangerous. The receiving end were Soviets who went extinct and the firing end was US who is now in that process already, fighting daily for its war itself.

    So Chinese if they are indeed as smart as they claim (as per the Communist baloney), then they would not choose the way of Jihad against US. US is also their largest partner and buyer of last resort. It buys more Chinese stuff than what 5 Indias, Japans and Koreas combined buy from the Chinese put together. So there are a lot of things. While Chinese will want US pinned down and hard pressed, they won't want their collapse which will in turn cause havoc in their own country.

    Jihad will only encourage ETIM and this is what CCP fears no matter how many of their trolls it sends online to show "aal izz well". This is not something they'd ever want. So supporting Jihad and making another repeat is out of question.
     
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    if u look at the NATO attack on pak, china definitely comes out as the biggest beneficiary out of it, they are trying to use pakistan as a proxy just as US uses israel....and pakistan is perfect for them to counter both US and India.......thats why it was once said by pundit Nehru, China needs pakistan so badly that if there was not a pakistan, they had to create one.......
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Pakistan is a proxy for anyone who wants it to be one!

    Sold to the highest bidder!
     
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    maybe we are the beneficiary... but we did not force america to fire those missiles did we?

    neither did we force america to get stuck in afghanistan and iraq, or to keep buying our goods and to take our loans.
     
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    But definitely you're stoking the fire now. But China should take caution from the experience of the US in Afghanistan during the anti-Soviet war. The US coddled up the Jihadists which later on turned against them. And on this matter China is more vulnerable than the US becuase China has a restive Muslim province. US has none.
     
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    china is against religious extremism more than anyone. few things threaten the chinese government more than religious extremism.

    which is why the chinese government would never support religious extremists, because it will surely backfire on them.

    supporting pakistan is a different issue, and the usa does it too.
     
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    China is against religious extremism inside but it does not mean it opposes it outside its territory. Remember how your government raise heaven and hell (I don't know if this is the correct phrase) in propping up the Ayatollah and Mullahs in Iran who do not run short of Fatwas and calls for jihad? It certainly does not oppose (some would even say it encourages it by not opposing) religious extremism directed against America.
     
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    iran is an issue of oil, and india supports them too. their religious ideology is irrelevant.

    pakistan is an issue of geopolitics, and america supports them too. their religious ideology is irrelevant.

    china has never directly supported religious terrorism anywhere. do you think that the cpc (which is already so nervous) would risk something like that, for no real gains?

    america's military presence in the middle east is doing it already, why should we interfere.
     
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    Here's your answer:

    China knows the strategic importance of jihad against the West and America in particular and would not seriously lift an inch to oppose it or its sponsors, instigators and/or protectors (almost all are its allies).
     
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    China is trying to do the same, US did to SU in Afghanistan. Both are playing with fire, thinking that radical Islam can be used only for benefit.
     
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    if something threatens us, then we will oppose it.

    better to stay out of this global jihad business anyway. why stick our nose in, and get a target on our forehead.

    that's where america made it's mistake when it supported afghan extremists against the soviets. and today the usa still gives billions to pakistan every year, whereas china still gets pakistan to pay for their stuff.

    also, if your rival is hurting their own interests (as america is doing in the middle east), don't interrupt them.
     
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    the US is really baffling everybody. Pakistan is such an important ally for the US grand game plan not only in Afghanistan and Iran, but also for keeping India in check. But the US / NATO still added fuel to Pak's anti-America sentiments again and again, this time right after China Pak's joint military exercise.

    By the way Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood is reported to lead the upcoming election with likely 30% votes. So, the US and Israel will taste the pill called Jihad again, after their friend Mubarak was dumped.
     
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    Maybe because Pakistan has a bad habit of unexpectedly popping up in the crosshairs of NATO forces... :laugh:
     
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    If the US attacked PAK with a full-bore air-strike - the is 0 % chance of China intervening.

    It is utterly LAUGHABLE to think that the Chinaman are going to take on the US.
    Anyone who thinks the Chinese would risk a major confrontation with US for a half-baked basket-case state like PAK does not know a damn thing a China or the Chinese people.

    PAK is nothing more than a cheap $10 hooker for China that can be used and discarded like trash.
    In return for some diplomatic, monetary and military supplies support - PAK can be a perpetual pain in ass to India and a buffer against Jihadis in Xinjiang.
    That's their only value to China and they know it. That's why they always play the Chinese against the Americans.
     
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    I think you have to bring Saudi Arabia and other GCC into equation of USA finds itself being stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is geo political strategy of the mentioned nations to bring the outcome of the end game as per their vision. As far as your so called loans, let me help you here in understanding the reason why USA owes you so much it is because your country cannot afford not to buy USA treasury bills. It helps your currency stay lower and USA dollar higher.
     
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    Once the general population looks the way you do, only than the masses in Pakistan will wake up and force its rulers to make a 180 degree turn for the betterment of their country. Unfortunately they are under the spell of China's regime who are showing them false unachievable dreams.
     
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    The entire nation needs to remove itself from the 'us' vs 'them' mentality for this to happen. The false idea that Pakistan is the poor brother constantly bullied by India has been propagated for years - not only in the international scene, but also as a means of rallying the pakistani populace too. This has been constantly exploited - initially by the british, then the americans, now the Chinese, all who have contributed to the destabilisation of the region as a whole.

    Hopefully they will wakeup and realise they are just being used. Ending animosity will only bring benefits to both India and (especially!) to Pakistan.
     
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    I have zero hope of Pakistan coming out of their paranoia anytime soon. Entire generations have been cropped on feeders of wrong history, wrong facts, wrong perspective of religion, delusive misplaced self pride and too much jingoism in the name of national security. I don't see how one should expect such people call a spade as a spade. It is too late for them to come back without a catastrophe.
    This is good for China only till their is status quo. If anything goes terribly wrong, they'll either find themselves in a conflict they never wanted to fall in or they'll lose a golden goose for its overuse.

    Regards,
    Virendra
     
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