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in fact, case is that many states are in queue up to such china's dick for aid/ AIIB/OBOR

as for usa and china.

sometimes, yankees suck china's dick when they ask china to help them deal with T~bonds and N.korea.


sometimes,china suck yankees' for their help of trade/taiwan...


in a word, usa/china are sucking each other's
Triggered, I'm coming to realize that is the favorite mental tactic of Chinese posters. They shift the context outside the discussion.

We're talking in terms of technology not OBOR or Tbonds. In terms of technology China is behind every one of those countries and just screwing their technology using their cheap labor.
 

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Triggered, I'm coming to realize that is the favorite mental tactic of Chinese posters. They shift the context outside the discussion.

We're talking in terms of technology not OBOR or Tbonds. In terms of technology China is behind every one of those countries and just screwing their technology using their cheap labor.
yes, CHina lag behind everyone of those coutries, that is why CHina ask they to help china build highspeed railway and supercomputer,5G mobile net,quantum satellite and so on

well,here is your logic

1. tech west/japan master might be high-tech, as long as CHina does not master it.

for example, highspeed railway/smartphone/spaceship/mobile net/supercomputer/stealth aircaft/Ageis warship are the case.


2.any tech become low-end tech,once china master it.

now,highspeed train/smartphone/spaceship/5G mobile net/supercomputer/quantum tech/stealth aircraft are already low-end tech


3.since even china can master it, anyone include india surely can master it.

well, so, india/turkey/S.korea and even indonisia all start raising their 5G stealth aircraft plan, since china work out J20.


4.if india has not mastered it, reason would be that india does not want to master it, absolutely not that india can not master it!

haha ,of course it is !
 

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yes, CHina lag behind everyone of those coutries, that is why CHina ask they to help china build highspeed railway and supercomputer,5G mobile net,quantum satellite and so on

well,here is your logic

1. tech west/japan master might be high-tech, as long as CHina does not master it.

for example, highspeed railway/smartphone/spaceship/mobile net/supercomputer/stealth aircaft/Ageis warship are the case.


2.any tech become low-end tech,once china master it.

now,highspeed train/smartphone/spaceship/5G mobile net/supercomputer/quantum tech/stealth aircraft are already low-end tech


3.since even china can master it, anyone include india surely can master it.

well, so, india/turkey/S.korea and even indonisia all start raising their 5G stealth aircraft plan, since china work out J20.


4.if india has not mastered it, reason would be that india does not want to master it, absolutely not that india can not master it!

haha ,of course it is !
:yawn: See can't type one paragraph without mentioning India. So predictable.

You mean this "highspeed railway"?

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-xpresswest-rail-line-20160608-snap-story.html

China will not build L.A.-to-Vegas rail line — U.S. company calls the deal off

XpressWest said the decision to terminate the relationship with China Railway International was based “primarily upon difficulties associated with timely performance and CRI’s challenges in obtaining required authority to proceed with required development activities.”

China launched its domestic high-speed rail service in 2007 and has the world’s most extensive network of such trains, covering more than 12,000 miles. In 2011, two trains collided near the city of Wenzhou, killing 40 people, raising doubts about the quality and safety of China’s trains and operating system, though there has not been a crash since then.
 

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:yawn: See can't type one paragraph without mentioning India. So predictable.

You mean this "highspeed railway"?

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-xpresswest-rail-line-20160608-snap-story.html

China will not build L.A.-to-Vegas rail line — U.S. company calls the deal off

XpressWest said the decision to terminate the relationship with China Railway International was based “primarily upon difficulties associated with timely performance and CRI’s challenges in obtaining required authority to proceed with required development activities.”

China launched its domestic high-speed rail service in 2007 and has the world’s most extensive network of such trains, covering more than 12,000 miles. In 2011, two trains collided near the city of Wenzhou, killing 40 people, raising doubts about the quality and safety of China’s trains and operating system, though there has not been a crash since then.
your data is outdated.

china's highspeed railway is 20000 + KM long now.
even in my home city,one 3-tier inland city, 2 highspeed raiways(Maxspeed:350KM/hour) are being built and to be finished in 2 years.
and quasi highspeed trains(Dongche) (maxspeed 250KM/hour) are already running on the railway from here to Xiamen now.

after the highspeed railway is finished, it will take only 1.5 hours for me to reach Guangzhou or SHenzhen.
now, it usuall takes me 4-5 hours to reach Guangzhou/shenzhen by expressway(Max speed:100-120KM/hour)


here is tha difference between CHina and USA:

when L.A.-to-Vegas rail line plan was raised during Obama's administration, China's highspeed railway was only 10000Km long. Now, USA still has zero-KM long highspeed railway, CHina's highspeed railway is 20000KM long already.


Frankly spreaking, after Trump leaves White House,USA would still have Zero-Km long highspeed railways.
 
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your data is outdated.

china's highspeed railway is 20000 + KM long now.
eveny in my home city,one 3-tier inland city, 2 highspeed raiways are being built and to be finished in 2 years.
and one quasi highspeed train(Dongche) is running on the railway to Xiamen (maxspeed 250KM/hour) now.

after the highspeed railway is finished, it will take only 1.5 hours for me to reach Guangzhou or SHenzhen.
now, it usuall takes me 4-5 hours to reach Guangzhou/shenzhen by expressway(Max speed:100-120KM/hour)


here is tha difference between CHina and USA:

when L.A.-to-Vegas rail line plan was raised, China's highspeed railway was only 10000Km long. Now, USA still has zero-KM long highspeed railway, CHina's highspeed railway is 20000KM long already.


Blah blah blah Chinese did not invent high speed rail technology....... What you did is too buy technology from foreign countries and then illegally stole them.


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After getting TOT and production license from foreign countries Chinese redesigned (copied ) them and then started calling it Chinese trains :hehe::hehe:

They also have patents which is invalid outside China :pound::pound::pound::pound:



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These foreign companies kawasaki, Alstom, Siemens, bombardier etc did the real hardwork......... Stop taking credits of their achievements :yo:
 

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Blah blah blah Chinese did not invent high speed rail technology....... What you did is too buy technology from foreign countries and then illegally stole them.


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After getting TOT and production license from foreign countries Chinese redesigned (copied ) them and then started calling it Chinese trains :hehe::hehe:

They also have patents which is invalid outside China :pound::pound::pound::pound:



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These foreign companies kawasaki, Alstom, Siemens, bombardier etc did the real hardwork......... Stop taking credits of their achievements :yo:

yes, west has not tech of gun powder, since it was CHinese invented it.

West all tech based on gun powders are stolen tech.....


guy ,it is no use the denying reality.


just pay more attention to make yourself richer and help your country richer.


when I was a freshman, my take-home salary was only 1/10 of Taiwansese freshman.

now, I earned more than most Taiwanese.by any measure, my real life quality is as good as west one,if not better.

Thus,
During the past 20 years,
when my country Chnina has got its fortunate,I myself also have got my fortunate.
 
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Super powa China can not make even a tire of passenger jet and they claim to develop a 5th generation fighter :facepalm::facepalm:
 
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yes, west has not tech of gun powder, since it was CHinese invented it.

West all tech based on gun powders are stolen tech.....


When they used gun powder they gave credits to China but they invented new technologies like Dynamite
........ What China invented ?? Maglev trains or hyperloop ??



China is technically far inferior to Japan, South Korea etc and all you do is license production...and stealing.

So please stop calling yourself '' technically advanced country ''.
 
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Comec 919 is using all the foreign components with good reputation and brand name still nobody bought these jets outside China..... This shows brand value and bad reputation of Chinese products (even if product is non-Chinese ).


When western countries will replace all the cheap Chinese workers with robots then you will loose all of your economic advantages.
 
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Super powa China can not make even a tire of passenger jet and they claim to develop a 5th generation fighter :facepalm::facepalm:
it has more to do with market tactic/management, instead of tech.

fighter is developed for faster,higher,stealth,better maneuverability and little attention for fuel-saving,cozy room.

however, commerical jet is developed extremely for economic performance such as fuel-saving and cozy room.



that is why soviet was a good military-bird developer and a bad commerical-jet developer.
 

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Comec 919 is using all the foreign components with good reputation and brand name still nobody bought these jets outside China..... This shows brand value and bad reputation of Chinese products (even if product is non-Chinese ).


When western countries will replace all the cheap Chinese workers with robots then you will loose all of your economic advantages.

well,

1. China labour is not cheap any more now, and CHina is short of labour now.
one chinese unskill bluecollar worker/waiter can earn 500-800USD/month(take-home salary) now.
and even such a salary can hardly attract enough workers.

the time has gone,when hunderds of Chinese ran for a salary of 100USD/month in queue.


2.it is China that is replacing blue-collar workers with robots.

many plants in CHina would have to be closed due to the shortage of labours,unless they replace labours with robots.


3.cheap labour is the advantage of low-income ecnomomies like india/southeast Asia/Africa ,instead of CHina.

in those low-income ecnomies, hundreds of people are waitting in line just for a 1ooUSD/month job.


4. robot-wave is the nightmare of india,instead of CHina.

case is very simple: robot-wave is exploiting the advantage of India(cheap labour),instead of CHina(cheap labout is not the advantage of China any more).
 

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well,

1. China labour is not cheap any more now, and CHina is short of labour now.
one chinese unskill bluecollar worker/waiter can earn 500-800USD/month(take-home salary) now.
and even such a salary can hardly attract enough workers.

the time has gone,when hunderds of Chinese ran for a salary of 100USD/month in queue.


2.it is China that is replacing blue-collar workers with robots.

many plants in CHina would have to be closed due to the shortage of labours,unless they replace labours with robots.


3.cheap labour is the advantage of low-income ecnomomies like india/southeast Asia/Africa ,instead of CHina.

in those low-income ecnomies, hundreds of people are waitting in line just for a 1ooUSD/month job.


4. robot-wave is the nightmare of india,instead of CHina.

case is very simple: robot-wave is exploiting the advantage of India(cheap labour),instead of CHina(cheap labout is not the advantage of China any more).
How is fossil fuel considered as cheaper than labour? Robots use fuel and that is expensive too
 

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it has more to do with market tactic/management, instead of tech.

fighter is developed for faster,higher,stealth,better maneuverability and little attention for fuel-saving,cozy room.

however, commerical jet is developed extremely for economic performance such as fuel-saving and cozy room.



that is why soviet was a good military-bird developer and a bad commerical-jet developer.
Read History , Antonov was a very successful soviet Aviation company before disintegration of USSR which built more than 22,000 aircrafts , and we all know that Chinese dont have ability to make efficient Engines , but Comec dont even have Chinese Tires or any other component .

that shows inefficiency of Chinese Aviation industry .

yes for a Fighter jet , an Efficient Engine is very Important , it will Increase Range of the Fighter , and that place which is consumed by fuel will be used to carry extra weapons & sensors .

is j-20 even a 3rd generation Fighter ?










well,

1. China labour is not cheap any more now, and CHina is short of labour now.
one chinese unskill bluecollar worker/waiter can earn 500-800USD/month(take-home salary) now.
and even such a salary can hardly attract enough workers.

the time has gone,when hunderds of Chinese ran for a salary of 100USD/month in queue.


2.it is China that is replacing blue-collar workers with robots.

many plants in CHina would have to be closed due to the shortage of labours,unless they replace labours with robots.


3.cheap labour is the advantage of low-income ecnomomies like india/southeast Asia/Africa ,instead of CHina.

in those low-income ecnomies, hundreds of people are waitting in line just for a 1ooUSD/month job.


4. robot-wave is the nightmare of india,instead of CHina.

case is very simple: robot-wave is exploiting the advantage of India(cheap labour),instead of CHina(cheap labout is not the advantage of China any more).


:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:


blah Blah blah .............For Your Kind information , China is Providing cheap labors and famous for manufacturing at cheaper rate .

all the work of designing and developing is done in USA , Europe , Japan , Korea and India .
and then cheap Chinese labors do the mass production .

for example Americans design & develop engines and all the other components of a car ..............and then Cheap Chinese labors assemble them and tight screws of those cars . :daru::daru::daru:





an Now western/ Japanese companies are replacing Cheap Chinese workers with robots .

so the designers & developers are still american , Europeans ,Japanese but cheap Chinese workers lost their Jobs .
 
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Super powa China can not make even a tire of passenger jet and they claim to develop a 5th generation fighter :facepalm::facepalm:
what chinese need is not your credit,but jobs/infrastrures/better salary/manyfacturing~capacity/forex/profit/market share.


now,we chinese have got those all,and nobody here cares your credit or noncredit at all.


BTW,
did britishmen care whether indian credited gun powder on britishmen or not,when britain bombed india with cannon based on gunpower during colony era?
 
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How is fossil fuel considered as cheaper than labour? Robots use fuel and that is expensive too
you think so ,just because millions of indians are eager for 100USD/month job.

when 90% of indian employees were to earn 500USD+/month,you could understand why labour is more expensive robots.
 
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Well, the last 40 years saw rising employment, not diminishing. Citing 40 years of development in this scenario is not valid since automation is a problem that has left even countries with highly skilled workforce perplexed. If China goes ahead with its plan to boost manufacturing with automation, it will cost jobs.
This shows how our India friends lack the basic knowledge about economic development.

Firstly, the so called “rising employment” has stopped since 2010 in manufacturing departments. It was reported, in major industrial centres, factories (especially those require low skilled workers) were struggling to find enough workers since then. The direct result is that general wage for workers has been growing dramatically.

Secondly, Chinese labour force has changed comparing to 30 years ago. In 1980s, most of Chinese workers only graduated from primary schools (6 years basic education), some of them were even less than that, they wouldn’t mind doing any low-income simply job in any factory, such as box folding, washing, screwing, etc. But today, all of them at least have 9 years education, majority of them graduate from high school or career training school, certainly they are expecting job requiring high skill with higher rewarding. This is a very ordinary phenomenon in the industrialisation, every developed country has gone through the same stage. In other words, the machine is not killing the job, the machine is brought in to fill the gap.


For example, one of my friends has been working in company producing equipment like lifting truck. Before 2010, their sales were quite poor, but after that, their products have become popular in the market. Why, logistic companies and warehouses can’t recruit enough manpower with even double wage.

The fact is Chinese government and manufacturing department have been waiting for this moment for quite long time. They have the necessary techs ready long time ago, but in order to keep their workers in job, they simply can’t take advantage of these. In 1990s, as a state owned company, we visited an American production who only had 35 workers. We estimated, with the same model, we can reduce 80% of Chinese workers required in the similar production line in China even with the Chinese tech. Considering China had quite a lot this kind of production lines at the time, this would save billions of RMB across the country. However, our plan was rejected by the government, the answer was: you must keep most of your workers. Last time I hear about was: in 2012, they finally updated the production line because most of workers already quite for better job.


There is no two ways about it. What remains to be seen is, in the absence of a democracy how much of the growth reaches the people.
So far, the democracy performed badly in producing the growth at all.
 

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