China helped Pak during Kargil war: Brigadier !

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    Ref: China helped Pak during Kargil war: Brigadier - Times Of India

    Is this true or just an hyped news ?
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    On what basis is Surinder stating , "Before and during Kargil war, the Chinese had inducted and manned heavy artillery guns in the K2 gun position in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), close to Kargil, and provided fire support to Pakistani Army during the war"?

    Has he amplified the same?

    What proof to that effect has he got?

    However, this much I will say is that Surinder is not the sole villain of the piece.

    One has to command 121 and also know of the procedures of vacating posts during winters because of avalanche threat to really come to the conclusion if he was at fault.

    Subrahamanyan would not have known that. He would have gone by what was told.

    And the Lt Gen ARK Reddy (who did the Army enquiry), was a pliable man to suit the demand of the time and his superiors. He is known to be a person who has risen and created a record, wherein, he never passed the Staff College exam, a pre requisite to higher ranks and yet became a Lt Gen!

    He also did well under as Chief of Staff to Lt Gen Ravi Eipe, who ran out of battle at the Thagla Ridge (2 RAJPUT) (Capt Amarinder Singh's book 'Lest we Forget') and who too rose to be the Army Commander, Eastern Command.
     
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    A comment on the TOI article...

     
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    That is not a fair comment.

    Every Commander visits what this man is saying 'the front'.

    Even those who do not want to walk, have recourse to riding on Mules or what is called 'small Donkey' (local donkeys).

    It is asinine to believe that a Commander should patrol the border.

    The front defended was from Kaobal Gali to Chorbatla which is 168 km stretch with mountain spines running from South to North.

    It means that between each spine was a Valley.

    The troops were three battalion and BSF companies.

    The posts held were plenty and that meant that while patrolling was done, in addition to defending the post as also having men for administrative duties to including ferrying supplies and cooking et al, it was a Herculean task to surveil every inch of the 168 kms.

    Note that 168 km increases in distance if you could going up and down the valleys from the high altitude mountain tops where the posts are to the valley floor and then climbing again, after walking the distance of the valley floor to the end of Indian jurisdiction.

    It is all easy for armchair champions to opine, but ask those on the ground who have to ensure that there are adequate troops on the post, that are distanced and far between, to defend against an attack, and at the same time, scupper up troops for patrols, ferry up supplies, stores, ration. K Oil and ammunition.

    Further, after every war ends, troops return to their original location.

    Can someone explain as to why 8 Div which fought the war, did not go back and was deployed in situ?

    Because, the area of 121 was too large for a Brigade to handle and this was projected all the time, but fell on deaf ears.

    I was there in both the circumstance and in both I was in the active combat mode. One was 'localised' war and the next time a more active war that all knows about.

    And I am from Mahar Regiment.
     
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    A Kargil-type situation could perhaps have been avoided had the Indian Army followed a policy of Siachenisation to plug unheld gaps along the 168 km stretch from Kaobal Gali to Chorbat La... Such a dispersal of forces to hold uninhabited territory of no strategic value would have dissipated considerable military strength and effort though and would not have at all been cost effective.

    "The alternative should be a credible declaratory policy of swiftly punishing wanton and willful violation of the sanctity of the LOC."

    ..:: India Strategic ::..

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    There lies the nub of the issue.
     

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