China Has Plans For Five Carriers

[civfanatic]

I don't think so, what PLAN wants are ACs like that of USAN, and China definitely can afford to have 3-4 in that size

Good luck building that many nuclear supercarriers in just a decade.

Keep in mind that China has very little experience in maintaining and operating aircraft carriers, much less building one. US and India have far more experience, since both countries have continuously operated carriers since the 50s.

 

[BunBunCake]

I don't think so, what PLAN wants are ACs like that of USAN, and China definitely can afford to have 3-4 in that size

LOL, ACs like that of the US Navy?????
Conversion: PLAAN wants nuclear powered air craft carriers that weigh > 100,000 tons.
That's not going to happen anytime soon. Good luck.

 

[badguy2000]

Good luck building that many nuclear supercarriers in just a decade.

Keep in mind that China has very little experience in maintaining and operating aircraft carriers, much less building one. US and India have far more experience, since both countries have continuously operated carriers since the 50s.

CHina also has little experience in maitaining and operating highspeed railway, supercomputer,stealth aircraft,AWAC.....etc...

 

[houde10000]

from where do you think Europe has any teeth to play significant role?

The world will be dominated by two big players, China and USA. EU and Russian also play two important roles, EU population is over 400 millions, GDP is over 13 trillion dollars, both qualified to play in the first table, Germany, Frence and British culture still deeply effect the world, that India, Brazil, Japan etc nations can not compare.

We Indians for example just concern ourselves to our ancestral territories spanning from Afghanistan to Indonesia as once "greater India" as well as the Indian Ocean. ......As long as South and Southeast Asia, which happen to be our ancestral territorial strongholds (you could say via culture, faith, common concepts etc), is in our pocket, we don't care if China wanted to rule over Honolulu in Hawaii.

From Afghanistan to Indonesia as once "greater India" as well as the Indian Ocean.

Be frankly, you indian are too greedy, you put your paw in dragon's pocket. Asia, including Indochina, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, etc is chinese Asia. Chinese believe the current India is too big to be a tame country, India should be separated into many pieces, your following comment gives chinese the best evidence to strenghten what their believe.

Here, Chinese and Indians are stuck together as long as Tibet is under the Reds. Even if Tibet was independent, the two countries owing to Communist's expansionist mentality would eventually collide in Tibetan territory. But taking present case, I don't think that Asian scenario will be that easy for the Chinese either despite them being miles ahead in development compared to us. Add a failed terrorist factory to the soup and the situation heats up. US & USSR didn't have that.

Tibetan can only be independent in your indian dream.

Chinese has over thousand years experience how to manage asia, they did very well before, and will do better in future.

 

[Welcome]

No doubting on china's mass-production capability but developing an aircraft carrier is a totally different thing from creating high speed railway network in a region. US & JAPAN have aircraft carriers since world war II era and they have continuously worked hard to develop better AC's and it takes time. My point is that development of an AC take time and even US also need at least 4-5 years to develop an AC which must be superior to all previous AC's. How china will develop 5 aircraft carrier superior then each other? Isn't there are more possibility to either replicate existing AC into 5 or purchase more AC's and refit them?

mr.Captonjohn it is china don't compare it to rest of world. did you ever seen the movie 2012, no doubt it's a imaginary movie but reality is that if you want to build something in minimum time than you need to go china.

 

[Armand2REP]

China has yet another engine problem here. They do not make boilers big enough to power Varyag or anything in its size. They will have to buy from Ukraine.

 

[captonjohn]

The world will be dominated by two big players, China and USA. EU and Russian also play two important roles, EU population is over 400 millions, GDP is over 13 trillion dollars, both qualified to play in the first table, Germany, Frence and British culture still deeply effect the world, that India, Brazil, Japan etc nations can not compare.

You are making mistake to underestimating India, Brazil and Japan's potential. India is of course behind in economy but this is truth that both India and China has highest economic growth rate and it is going to be continue in future. So world order will be incomplete without India. Japan still has largest GDP after USA and it is also bigger than Chinese economy. Economically you are making mistake to putting them as third level. India would be in UNSC in future as well world's fourth largest military force along with worlds second fast growing economy in the world. Then how can you be sure that India won't play any major role in world's politics?

Be frankly, you indian are too greedy, you put your paw in dragon's pocket. Asia, including Indochina, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, etc is chinese Asia. Chinese believe the current India is too big to be a tame country, India should be separated into many pieces, your following comment gives chinese the best evidence to strenghten what their believe.

That's your perception dear, everybody here seek first his interest and then others. Now regarding regional problems then you should understand that situations are different here then anywhere in the world. India is surrounded by nations like China, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. who are not being very friendly with India. Also indian foreign policy is soft and not intended to militarization or domination in the region. But this doesn't mean that anybody can think that India can be broken in many pieces, its just day dreaming. India still has enough power to respond decisively any military aggression from any country that's the reason asia is still not engaged in direct war. There are many nations larger than India so think about them first.

Tibetan can only be independent in your indian dream.

Chinese has over thousand years experience how to manage asia, they did very well before, and will do better in future.

Your this point shows that you are any chinese who don't want to show his identity. Forget about Tibetan and think about Taiwan as they are arming by USA. Tibetan's freedom is not India's interest and we don't have any major advantage with it hence we are not interested. Now regarding chinese thousand years of experience then read some indian history and you'll know that India is one of oldest civilization and tested battles and wars more than china ever done. My suggestion that don't day dream and live in reality.

 

[captonjohn]

mr.Captonjohn it is china don't compare it to rest of world. did you ever seen the movie 2012, no doubt it's a imaginary movie but reality is that if you want to build something in minimum time than you need to go china.

Come out dear from illusion. That was movie and this is reality. If china has that much potential and intelligence then why didn't it had developed 5th generation fighter years before? Why china still import many military hardware from US, Russia and Israel? This is not a electronic item manufacturing problem but an aircraft carrier development program which nobody can develop fully indigenously without undergoing in enough research and it takes time.

 

[black eagle]

China Restores Soviet Aircraft Carrier: Expert

BEIJING - China has nearly finished restoring an old Soviet aircraft carrier bought in 1998, which will be used for training and as a model for a future indigenously built ship, an expert said Jan. 19.

The Varyag, a Kuznetsov-class carrier, was originally built for the Soviet navy, but construction was interrupted by the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.


Its immense armored hull, with no engine, electrics or propeller, was bought by China in 1998 and towed from Ukraine's Black Sea coast to China.

"They have fixed the inside at 100 percent," said Andrei Chang, head of the Kanwa Information Centre, which monitors China's military.

According to Chang, the renovation process has included fixing the boilers, electricity, electronic systems, living quarters and engines. The hull and deck of the ship have also been refurbished, other experts have said.

China has never officially announced it was renovating the 990-foot long aircraft carrier.

The carrier, currently based in the northeast port of Dalian, could make its first sea trip "very soon," Chang told AFP, adding the refurbishment of the ship had taken place "at unexpected speed."

But he said the ship's radars still needed work, and the fighter planes that will train on the carrier are still being tested.

The refurbished ship will be used as a model for China's first indigenously built aircraft carrier, which, unlike the Varyag, will be nuclear-powered. Construction on this ship could start soon, he said.

The modernization of China's army has caused concern abroad.

Last week, the Chinese military sent its first stealth fighter - the J-20 - into the skies, just as U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates was in Beijing to patch up frayed defense ties.

Around the same time, Adm. Mike Mullen, head of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned that China's new weapons program, including the J-20, appeared to be directed against the United States.

The PLA - the largest army in the world - is hugely secretive about its defense programs, which benefit from a big military budget boosted by the nation's runaway economic growth.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=5489543

 

[Armand2REP]

Considering you have to cut the hull open to install engines, nor does China have them... it is not fit for service.

 

[tony4562]

Considering you have to cut the hull open to install engines, nor does China have them... it is not fit for service.

China is moving literally at lightning speed in all directions. Just because China could not do it 10 years ago,or even 5 years ago, it does not mean she can not do it today.

China's shipbuilding industry is literally light years ahead of Russia at the moment, and we have seen smokes coming out of Varyag's boiler, so all indications are Varyag is now a ship with functioning power unit.

 

[tony4562]

To be honest, had India contracted China to refurbish Gorshkov, she probably would have already got it.

 

[Armand2REP]

China is moving literally at lightning speed in all directions. Just because China could not do it 10 years ago,or even 5 years ago, it does not mean she can not do it today.

China's shipbuilding industry is literally light years ahead of Russia at the moment, and we have seen smokes coming out of Varyag's boiler, so all indications are Varyag is now a ship with functioning power unit.

Varyag doesn't have a boiler installed. This picture you refer to looks more like a ship fire.

 

[tony4562]

Varyag doesn't have a boiler installed. This picture you refer to looks more like a ship fire.

You work at Dalian shipyard? If not, then how can you be so sure that the smoke is due to a fire? You've been proven wrong on China-related matters more often than you got it right, so maybe it is time for you to keep the mouth shut for a while.

 

[Anil Sankar]

Ha..ha... looking at the fire on board, we bettter keep away from this ship.....scary...

 

[Parthy]

China Restores Soviet Aircraft Carrier: Expert

China has nearly finished restoring an old Soviet aircraft carrier bought in 1998, which will be used for training and as a model for a future indigenously built ship, an expert said Jan. 19.

The Varyag, a Kuznetsov-class carrier, was originally built for the Soviet navy, but construction was interrupted by the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Its immense armored hull, with no engine, electrics or propeller, was bought by China in 1998 and towed from Ukraine's Black Sea coast to China.

"They have fixed the inside at 100 percent," said Andrei Chang, head of the Kanwa Information Centre, which monitors China's military.

According to Chang, the renovation process has included fixing the boilers, electricity, electronic systems, living quarters and engines. The hull and deck of the ship have also been refurbished, other experts have said.

China has never officially announced it was renovating the 990-foot long aircraft carrier.

The carrier, currently based in the northeast port of Dalian, could make its first sea trip "very soon," Chang told AFP, adding the refurbishment of the ship had taken place "at unexpected speed."

But he said the ship's radars still needed work, and the fighter planes that will train on the carrier are still being tested.

The refurbished ship will be used as a model for China's first indigenously built aircraft carrier, which, unlike the Varyag, will be nuclear-powered. Construction on this ship could start soon, he said.

The modernization of China's army has caused concern abroad.

Last week, the Chinese military sent its first stealth fighter - the J-20 - into the skies, just as U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates was in Beijing to patch up frayed defense ties.

Around the same time, Adm. Mike Mullen, head of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned that China's new weapons program, including the J-20, appeared to be directed against the United States.

The PLA - the largest army in the world - is hugely secretive about its defense programs, which benefit from a big military budget boosted by the nation's runaway economic growth.


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\01\20\story_20-1-2011_pg14_8

 

[Armand2REP]

You work at Dalian shipyard? If not, then how can you be so sure that the smoke is due to a fire? You've been proven wrong on China-related matters more often than you got it right, so maybe it is time for you to keep the mouth shut for a while.

I have to work at Dalian to know boiler exhaust doesn't come out of every facet of a ship? I have been proven wrong when you have no proof to offer?

 

[houde10000]

Varyag doesn't have a boiler installed. This picture you refer to looks more like a ship fire.

That sound very interest, I have not seen this picture so carefully, I agree, the white smoke is not from boiler testing, no idea about that, hope someone can post this picture on chinese military forum to get an answer.

 

[SHASH2K2]

To be honest, had India contracted China to refurbish Gorshkov, she probably would have already got it.

You are absolutely correct . we would have got a refurbished Nuclear powered Admiral Gorshkov . China would have installed nuclear reactor because they donot any capability to manufacture boilers for AC . also CHina would have installed world class Radar and provided us with world class planes to operate form that AC. WE are really fools to go with Russians. damn

 

[Tshering22]

Badguy,

Any ideas why 5 carriers? I mean you are not an island and thus have all oceans. Are you planning to put everything in South and East China Seas and by extension in Pacific Ocean?