China Has Plans For Five Carriers

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  1. Parthy

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    Chinese AC - Updates and Discussions

    Documents Confirm China's Aircraft Carrier Plans


    China is planning to build an aircraft carrier according to documents seen by the Asahi Shimbun. The Japanese daily on Thursday quoted the Institute for Ocean Development Strategy, a think tank under China's State Oceanic Administration, as saying in a recent report that Beijing "conceived the idea and worked out a plan in 2009 to build an aircraft carrier."

    This shows that China "is determined to become a maritime power," the report said. "The task is essential in achieving the great revival of the Chinese nation."

    The plan has been an open secret, but there has been no official confirmation so far. Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie in March last year said China is the only one among the world's big powers that does not have an aircraft carrier, adding this state of affairs "cannot continue forever."

    China is believed to be building two 50,000-60,000-ton aircraft carriers at Changxingdao Shipyard, the world's biggest, in Shanghai and is expected to launch one in 2014.

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    It is also reportedly working on remodeling the 58,500-ton Varyag, an aircraft carrier the former Soviet Union had stopped building, at Dalian Port to launch it in 2012. The country is expected to get a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier by 2020.

    The Japanese government's new defense white paper to be published on Friday will reflect worries about China's buildup of maritime power.


    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/12/17/2010121700326.html
     
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  3. Yatharth Singh

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    That`s good. Seems India and China will be getting there 1st AC together. Anyone please post the design blueprint of Chinese AC if possible or any other pics possible.
     
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    In late Arpil, 2009, the Varyag was moved from the pier in Dalian, to a dry dock about two miles distant.

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    The Vayrag in dry dock in late April, 2009. Speculation and some naval experts are wondering if major propulsion work will be performed there.

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    The Vayrag with significant equipment on its decks in dry dock in late April, 2009. It appears that some major final outfitting may take place.

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    The Vayrag out of dry dock in March 2010. Appears to be going through degausse
     
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    FULL SCALE LOGISTICS AND TRAINING MOCKUP

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    A full-scale mockup of the Varyag deck and island being constructed at the Wuhan Naval Research Institute.

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    Full scale helicopter (Z8) and strike fighter (J11 or J15) on the Varyag mockup deck at the Wuhan Naval Research Institute.

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    Fighter for the AC
     
  8. redragon

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    I have posted more up to date pictures in media
     
  9. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    AC would be white elephants during the war among major powers such as USA,Russia and CHina.

    the only use of AC is to bully small or mid-size countries.

    So,3 AC groups are enough to CHina. more resource should be poured to nuke-sub fleet.

    Nuke subs will be the decisive force in the war among USA, Russia and CHina.
     
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    China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is assembling the production and basing capacity to make its aircraft carrier program one of Asia’s largest military endeavors.

    A plausible near-term projection for China’s aircraft carrier ambitions was revealed in two 2009 articles in Japan’s Asahi Shimbun newspaper, which featured rare access to Chinese military and shipbuilding sources. The sources noted that China would first build two non-nuclear medium-sized carriers similar to the 50,000-ton ex-Soviet/Ukrainian Project 1143.5 carrier Varyag being rebuilt in Dalian Harbor. These carriers would start initial construction in 2009. Beginning in 2020 or soon after, two 60,000-plus-ton nuclear-powered carriers would follow, based on plans for the Soviet-designed but never built Project 1143.7 Ulyanovsk class.

    This would mean a likely fleet of five carriers by the 2020s, including Varyag, which entered a phase of accelerated reconstruction in 2009. Work surrounding this carrier is also serving to create the development and production infrastructure for future carriers. Since mid-2005, Varyag’s reconstruction has been documented by images from Chinese military fans on dozens of web pages.

    In April 2009, Varyag was moved from its Dalian berth to a nearby drydock. Surrounding the drydock are large ship-component construction hangars, from which the next carriers may emerge. By April 2010, the ship was berthed outside the drydock. Since the move the hull has undergone degaussing, likely in preparation for the now-visible outfitting of a new naval electronics suite. This suite will include four arrays for Chinese-developed naval phased-array radar and new rotating-array radar. Emplacements for the electronic warfare suite are visible.

    A “Sinicized” model of a Varyag-like carrier, built in 2003 by students at Harbin Technology Institute, which does carrier development work, indicated it would carry a heavy fixed armament of YJ-63 long-range antiship cruise missiles, vertically launched medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and Type 730 30-mm. close-in weapon systems (CIWS). Last November, however, Internet imagery indicated it might carry a lighter weapons suite. It will be the lead platform for the short-range FL-3000N SAM, similar to Raytheon’s SeaRAM, though it carries 24 missiles. The imagery shows that Varyag will carry four FL-3000N launchers and at least two Type-730 30-mm. CIWS.

    Varyag’s air wing is becoming visible. Chinese Internet sources reported that the first flight of the Shenyang Aircraft Corp.’s copy of the Sukhoi Su-33 was in August 2009, and by early 2010 Internet imagery and a video confirmed Shenyang had copied the Su-33. Since 2005 Russian sourceshave insisted to this writer that China could not copy the Su-33, as it was a radical modification of the Su-27SK design. By 2009, these sources anticipated China would purchase an upgraded Su-33 as it developed its own version with a Chinese-designed WS-10A turbofan. In 2010, an Asian source said the PLA might not be pleased with its Su-33 copy, and would consider buying the Sukhoi-built version. Since 2005, negotiations have been held up over Russia’s insistence that China buy a profitable number, around 40.

    It is now expected that Shenyang will perfect its Su-33 copy, which will feature the latest Chinese-designed active phased-array radar, and new 5th-generation air-to-air missiles and long-range antiship missiles, such as an air-launched version of the YJ-63, with a range of 600-plus km. (373 mi.). Varyag may start its service with a multirole fighter more capable in some respects than the Boeing F/A-18E/F.

    In 2010, Internet images appeared of a new airborne early-warning and control radar array of the size needed for a carrier aircraft. This followed a 2005 partial image of a turboprop-powered AEW&C. In October 2009, Internet images emerged of possibly retractable AEW&C radar on a Chinese Z-8 helicopter, which may form part of the initial air wing.

    The PLA is also building escort ships for its carrier fleet. In the autumn of 2009 it appeared that two Chinese shipyards were building two new destroyer classes, but their configurations and equipment are not apparent. The PLA is expected to build up to 18 modern Type-065A air-defense frigates. Two new Type-093 nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSNs) have been built, and a more capable Type-095 SSN is expected.

    When it enters service around 2015, the Varyag and its sisters, plus escorts, may be located at a recently constructed naval base near Sanya on Hainan Island.

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    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/dti/2011/01/01/DT_01_01_2011_p71-272520.xml&headline=China%20Has%20Plans%20For%20Five%20Carriers&channel=defense
     
  11. captonjohn

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    First carrier is also a major re-fit of ex russian aircraft carrier and chinese haven't developed an aircraft carrier completely indigenously. In this case how china will make five aircraft carrier in 2020? If still this new is generic then all five aircraft carriers will compromise seriously on quality and electronic warfare. Probably they will replicate VARYAG class aircraft carrier. Once again china has shown his inclination towards number over quality.
     
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    I think the Chinese will also go for HMS Invincible which is up for sale by the UK.
     
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    was there not a news article just recently that some chines guy is bidding on HMS invincible?
     
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    what china is best at is mass-production....it is not wise to doubt it .
    3 years ago, China has not one inch highspeed railway.but now China has more highspeed railway than the rest countries combined.
     
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    No doubting on china's mass-production capability but developing an aircraft carrier is a totally different thing from creating high speed railway network in a region. US & JAPAN have aircraft carriers since world war II era and they have continuously worked hard to develop better AC's and it takes time. My point is that development of an AC take time and even US also need at least 4-5 years to develop an AC which must be superior to all previous AC's. How china will develop 5 aircraft carrier superior then each other? Isn't there are more possibility to either replicate existing AC into 5 or purchase more AC's and refit them?
     
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    case is that USA now can not afford to build lots of AC at the same time while China can.

    USA's bubble's 14 trillion $ GDP can not cover the truth that almost every section of USA's industry output is only 5/1-1/2 of China's ,from steel,concrete to cars.
     
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    Does the US require 5 more carriers?

    Haven't they enough to rule the world?
     
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    Dear Ray,

    American does need more than 5 new AC if their econmic can offer!!

    USA's econmic heavily built on military industry, like Boeing, one hand makes F15, F18, F22, etc. the other hand makes Boeing 747, 757, 767, 777. Why Boeing can dominate the Aeroplane market, because the fund support from military order, it can R&D new technologies with military projects, and then use in its civil product.

    It is the most special advantage of USA econmic, military and civil industy combine together seamlessly. CCCP built a super powerful military industy, but it was totally seperated with CCCP civil industy, when CCCP can make the most complexed nuclear missile system, it can not make simple table light, that is very funny, military project didn't help to improve civil industry level, just drink dry all the fund, it finally kill the soviet giant.

    Today, USA face a very different situation with CCCP, USA civil industy is shrinked because of globalization, USA econmic get weak insidely, this is no way to cure with USA current political system. The giant companies always look for cheap cost manufacture base, they transfer the manufacture ability to China, after 20 years, when American found out, all they spent in military project, can not get back from civil industy any more, because there is no civil industy left in USA, and USA is walking on the same road as her old peer CCCP.

    China does need at least 5 AC, there is no offerable problem, any cent spent on chinese AC project, will also significantly improve chinese shipbuilding industy, in the same way American did between 1950~1990.

    Ray, overall USA is an 50 year old mature adult, still strong, but get older and weaker, China is around 15 year old juvenile, still weak and navie, but get maturer and stronger day by day. In my opinion, USA and China, the two giants will dominate the world for the whole 21 century, Russia and EU also play a very important role in the game, but India, Japan, Brazil, Australia, etc. will play a third level role.
     
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    Agreed with the line about US maturity and Chinese youth, but from where do you think Europe has any teeth to play significant role? Russia yes, it still has a growing economy and a very advanced military industry with strong industrial base as well as friends from the Cold war era. But EU? Apart from being a regular buyer-seller entity, Europe will have no power left. Neither militarily nor economically. Basically, Europe started, developed, settled, matured in the last 2 centuries and is now waning. Australia again is a nobody when it comes to geopolitics. It is not about its lack of capabilities but simply the fact that its geographic location is so aloof that no one is interested in what they have to say, apart from a few murmurs.

    US and China will be tier 1 but Russia, India and Brazil will occupy the second level. There is a reason for these different approaches by these countries. You see, China sees itself on the perch where the American Eagle is sitting; a global police, a political entity that can move governments continents away as well as use military muscle to get its way with other governments. Russia has a similar mentality but due to its been-there-done-that profile, it may be only a parallel alternate now due to its shrinking workforce and hence gradually shrinking industrial capability. India and Brazil don't care about global domination or policing.

    We Indians for example just concern ourselves to our ancestral territories spanning from Afghanistan to Indonesia as once "greater India" as well as the Indian Ocean. What happens in North/South Americas, in Africa, in Europe etc is least of Indian worries. Our politics and a more calmer approach make us unfit to move governments or concern ourselves with whether say, Peru is busy making nukes or not. As long as South and Southeast Asia, which happen to be our ancestral territorial strongholds (you could say via culture, faith, common concepts etc), is in our pocket, we don't care if China wanted to rule over Honolulu in Hawaii.

    I don't know much about Brazil, but it is not exactly a very keen participant of a "Race to Dominate the Earth" competition either. Its worries are to dominate South America which she is already doing so with just a bit of competition from Argentina and Venezuela; which is again not hostile, meaning that they don't need severe military developments to survive and can be passive, unlike us who are in the center of all Hotspots on this planet right now.

    The reason why US and USSR dominated last century was because of the lack of territorial disputes between them. Here, Chinese and Indians are stuck together as long as Tibet is under the Reds. Even if Tibet was independent, the two countries owing to Communist's expansionist mentality would eventually collide in Tibetan territory. But taking present case, I don't think that Asian scenario will be that easy for the Chinese either despite them being miles ahead in development compared to us. Add a failed terrorist factory to the soup and the situation heats up. US & USSR didn't have that.
     
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    Absolute spot on Tshering22, still can't find the Thank You Button.
     
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    I don't think so, what PLAN wants are ACs like that of USAN, and China definitely can afford to have 3-4 in that size
     

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