China has Pak's blank cheque to help improve Indo-Pak ties: Qureshi

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    China has Pak's blank cheque to help improve Indo-Pak ties: Qureshi


    BEIJING: Pakistan on Tuesday said it has given a "blank cheque" to China to play a role in improving the Indo-Pak ties and it is for India to decide whether they would be comfortable with Beijing acting as a "third party".

    Addressing the China Institute of International Studies here, Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said that Islamabad would welcome any role given to China to bring down tensions between India and Pakistan because of the trust and confidence it enjoyed with its close ally.

    "It is for the Indians to decide if they would be comfortable to have China talking as a third party to bridge the gap. As far as Pakistan is concerned they (China) have a blank cheque," he said at the prestigious Chinese think tank.

    Reacting to Qureshi's comments, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said India and Pakistan are both important friendly neighbours of China.

    China supports and welcomes the improvement in relations between India an Pakistan and backs efforts to settle their outstanding issues through dialogue, he said.

    The spokesman said that China and Pakistan are committed to working jointly for peace and stability in the region.

    Qureshi also said at the institute that China played a "positive role" in defusing Indo-Pak tensions in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks.

    "Pakistan appreciates the role played China immediately after Mumbai terror attacks. China on its own nominated a special envoy who travelled to Delhi and Islamabad trying to bring the temperatures down to promote reconciliation and understanding. That was a positive role," Qureshi said responding to a question.

    Speaking on 'Pakistan's Challenges and Our Response', he said China and Pakistan built "a magnificent edifice of confidence and trust, friendship and cooperation and Pakistan supported 'one China' policy. It is a living example of the Confucian philosophy of harmony without uniformity."

    "We have different political systems, different cultures and different traditions. Yet, we created a beautiful mosaic of vibrant colours and warmth," he said, adding the bilateral relationship was a model for other countries to follow.

    Qureshi said about 11,000 Chinese are currently working in about 120 Chinese companies in Pakistan in projects ranging from mining, energy exploration to infrastructure and manufacturing.

    He said pattern of the Chinese economic assistance has focussed on development that strengthens economic fundamentals as "opposed to handouts or conditional aid that reinforce the vicious cycle of dependency."

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...Indo-Pak-ties-Qureshi/articleshow/5607670.cms
     
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    Sure Pakistan can give blank check to anyone but Mr.Qureshi do forget that India is not that bank from which china can en-cash that blank check other thing is pakistan that that blank check is sure to bounce.
     
  4. LETHALFORCE

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    China is the one who ruined the ties by interferring and proliferating nuclear weapons to Pakistan, and now they want to be a third party typical chinese, just like north korea proliferate then be a mediator.
     
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    A blank cheque with an empty bank account. So the cheque is destined to 'bounce'. :p
     
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    Well said Tarun exactly my thoughts. And more than that China of all countries to be trusted when it cannot be trusted one bit. A non starter from the outset. And anyways india has very categorically said that there is no role for any third party, least of all China.

    These idiots come up with one statement or the other to "improve" ties with india and all of them are well thought of as ones that will be rejected by india. Then they can go beating their breasts around the world saying they are trying their best but it is india which is not coming around.
     
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    ^^Great observation, Yusuf and we must counter this by coming up with our own set of statements to 'improve' ties which will be non-starters for the Pakistanis. For Eg: we give a statement that terrorism launced using POK as a launching pad can lead to the next confrontation between Pakistan and India and therefore POK must be discussed. We can even say that India is game for the proposal of UN forces in POK. We could pass that resolution in Parliament. We need to come up with such imaginative and aggressive statements instead always reacting to the statements made from the other side.
     
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    UN forces cant that easily deployed in PoK since US is a major ally to pak and they will start bargaining over the AF-PAK supply to NATO troops
     
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    Of course, but lets propose it and make it one of the options that needs to be explored. It may not be accepted but atleast its on the table and the focus shift from Kashmir valley to POK. Also US would get direct control of POK through UN if UN is allowed in POK, and will be in better position to monitor China from POK than Kashmir, so there is an outside chance that US may consider it. The thing is that Pakistan places many ridiculous proposals at the table knowing fully well that India will not accept but merely debating an option will bring it into mainstream and even that has its advantage. India needs to do the same. POK is used by Pakistan as a launching pad of all inflitrations within Kashmir and its a training ground for most anti-indian terrorists. If it is made the main focus, its an advantage to India, also it takes the focus away from Kashmir valley. So, India must place proposals even if they are ridiculed, considered absurd, or potentially rejectable by other parties. But still we should place them on the table at negotiations and discuss it with all the parties including US and China(of course, informally). We never know what break through we might get.
     
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    as MMS said that to talk with whom in Pak, There is a shadow govt going on the pak by ISI. They want to save their brother Talibs in afghan against NATO forces.. So they will go to any extent to anger india. This may even trigger a limited armed conflict. When this happens we ned to rape thru the terrorist camps in PoK and then inflict some damage then can call for UN forces. Again Pak govt has no say in anything.
     
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    Well, there was a god article by Irfan Husain on this particular Pakistani habit. They behave like a little kid and expect to be taken care by their patrons like an adult would do for small kids.

    Right now, China is their be all and end all. They are betting big on China while for China they are not nearly as important. Just someone to be humored to keep India in check and a market to exploit for their goods.
     
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    I strongly believe that china will not interfere in Kashmir issue as they have a lot to solve inside their home.
     
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    Grow up, and smell the coffee
    By Irfan Husain
    Saturday, 26 Dec, 2009
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    While individuals can indulge in daydreams, nations do so at their own peril. So wake up and smell the coffee. —APP/File Photo
    THE late Enid Blyton enriched my childhood with tales of adventure and derring-do, as she did for millions of kids around the world. I am happy to see her Famous Five and Secret Seven series still on sale, an indication that some things, at least, have not changed.


    However, I did not associate the author with serious, philosophical views until I came across this quotation attributed to her: “Growing old is compulsory; growing up is optional.” The more I reflected on these words, the more I saw how relevant they were for Pakistan as a nation.


    In the 1950s, the constant refrain I heard was how young a state Pakistan was as an excuse and an explanation for the new country’s many failings and shortcomings. Gradually, this mantra has faded as Pakistan grew older, even though things have got worse, not better, with the passage of years.


    As I look around, I see many signs of a country that has grown older, but has failed to grow up. For one, we remain too immature as a nation to reflect on where we have gone wrong, and what needs to be done to set matters right. We live from one day to the next, confident in the expectation that generous adults will look after us, no matter what transgressions we commit.
    In the event, foreign aid has propped us up, relieving us of the tough decisions we need to take in order to make Pakistan a viable, prosperous state.


    Other examples abound. When we see we can’t have something, we tend to throw a tantrum and dig in our heels instead of moving on. For over 60 years, we have been fixated over the Kashmir issue. Whatever the legal rights and wrongs of the matter, the harsh truth is that India is not going to budge, and there is nothing Pakistan can do to change this reality.


    Hundreds of billions of rupees and thousands of wasted lives later, we are where we were decades ago. In fact, we have lost whatever diplomatic support we once had. The world is heartily sick of the dispute, and wishes we could just put the matter to rest and move on.


    We are aggressive and touchy to the point of paranoia. Take the recent furore over the Kerry-Lugar law as a good example. For weeks, the media and the military were in hysterics over the evil intentions of the Americans who were bent on throwing billions of dollars in our direction.


    Pundits and TV anchors fulminated and frothed at the mouth, insisting that somehow ghairat or our national honour had been affronted. Then suddenly, as though a switch had been turned off, this crescendo of irrational argument ceased. What had changed? Probably the dollars had started coming in, and nothing shuts up a needy teenager like a fistful of cash.


    Like most young boys, we love playing with toy guns, only in Pakistan’s case, they take the shape of lethal weapons, including nuclear ones. All nations have armed forces and arsenals, but they do not generally take such pride in them. In Pakistan, derelict jet fighters are mounted in public squares; models of missiles decorate parks; and mock-ups of Chagai where our first nuclear tests were conducted, sprout in open spaces.


    Kids usually hate being mocked or criticised, and take umbrage at the smallest slight, whether it is real or imagined. So, too, do our leaders. A few months ago, a law was seriously being considered to prevent people from passing around jokes about the president on the Internet, or by SMS. This move drew much derision internationally, and was mercifully dropped.


    More often than not, children are intensely self-absorbed, caring little for the needs of those around them. Similarly, our well-to-do tend not to think about the rest of their countrymen, focusing only on their immediate families. And when they do give to charity, they are concerned only about how their alms will buy them a place in heaven. Partly as a consequence of this callousness, poverty continues to stalk the land. Illiteracy, hunger and disease are endemic. Nevertheless, enclaves of obscenely ostentatious wealth flourish amidst a vast ocean of poverty.


    Impatience is another attribute of the young. Living only in the present, they want everything now. So, too, do our politicians demand regime change whenever they are not in power. Unwilling to wait for a government to complete its term of office, they plot with the military or the judiciary to overthrow the ruling party so they can grab power. More often than not, the army uses these discontented politicians as levers to upset the political applecart.


    This refusal to follow the rules and allow a government to complete its tenure is rife among the media as well. Thus, we can see the feeding frenzy among TV chat show panellists and their hosts in the wake of the NRO judgment that has dealt the PPP government a severe blow. In fact, we can almost see these people salivating at the prospect of more political upheaval.


    Like children with a short attention span, we get bored with the same ministers saying the same thing after a year or so. We just cannot understand that above all, we need a period of political stability and tranquillity. And we desperately need a consensus to fight the jihadis who are threatening to tear down the foundations of our state. Despite these dangers, we continue to squabble like kids; far from developing a common front, we are doing everything we can to destroy our political rivals, destabilising the entire system in the process.


    Faced with harsh reality, many kids escape into fantasy. We, too, continue nursing dreams of a united Muslim ummah that would be able to take on the hated West. In Pakistan, various extremist groups are committed to restoring Muslim rule over the entire subcontinent.


    But while individuals can indulge in daydreams, nations do so at their own peril. So wake up and smell the coffee. Above all, let’s please try and grow up.


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  14. Singh

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    A statement of sheer desperation. Pak is cornered and is imploring China to cover its back, with the West siding with India. Also an attempt to cleavage the growing Indo-China relationship. Someone should tell PPP the cold war is over and so our the high school debates.
     
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    India shoots down Pakistan's 'blank cheque' to China on bilateral mediation

    Pakistan said on Tuesday it sought a meaningful dialogue with India, even as it had given China a "blank cheque" for sub-continental mediation - a notion that India immediately shot down.

    "Pakistan would welcome any role given to China, because of the trust and confidence we enjoy among each other", Associated Press of Pakistan quoted Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi as saying in Beijing, adding "they have a blank cheque".

    "It is for the Indians to decide if they would be comfortable to have China talking as a third party to bridge the gap," Qureshi said in a speech at a China Institute of International Studies.

    India was quick to react, with Defence Minister AK Antony saying in New Delhi: "There is no place for a third country in our talks... only bilateral."

    Noting that "Pakistan wants a meaningful dialogue with India", Qureshi said the talks between the foreign secretaries of the two countries in New Delhi on Thursday would be an exploratory meeting.

    "We have to see what comes out of the meeting on February 25," he said while responding to a question after delivering his speech.

    Pakistan was showing a constructive approach and if India also exhibits the same spirit, "obviously the progress will be made", he observed.

    Qureshi, however, made it clear that if India restricts the agenda of the talks or tries to narrow them down, "much progress will not be achieved".

    He said that Pakistan was never shy of talking with India and regretted that New Delhi had "unilaterally" frozen the composite dialogue in the wake of the "unfortunate and tragic" 26/11 Mumbai attacks.

    Pakistan, Qureshi said, recognised the significance and the progress made through the composite dialogue. Both sides had completed four rounds while the fifth round was to be initiated.

    "After 14 months, they have re-engaged with us and have invited us for a dialogue", he noted, adding that all issues of concern to both sides should be brought on the table so that the dialogue is serious and meaningful.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India...blank-cheque-to-China/H1-Article1-512090.aspx
     
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    Great article there Vinod. Wonder if there are more such people out there in pakistan that would bring in some sanity.
     
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    Singhji, just got confused with your comment. Are you sure the west is siding with India? If so, in what way?
    Instead, I see that we are being kept out of Afghanistan and are left with no option but to return to 'talks' even though Pakistan had done literally nothing towards punishing the perpetrators of 26/11 who are threatening with more such acts. West seems to have rewarded Pakistan by greater role in afghanistan and not putting any pressure on Pakistan to stop terrorism against India. Now, Paks raising water issue and US is saying that they are urging India-Pakistan to resolve water issue. In effect, US(and thereby west) is siding with Pakistan on every issue and are completely going against the Indian interests.

    Also, how exactly is Indo-China relationship growing? Instead, the reports of violation of LAC by Chinese seems to be coming from new areas everyday. We still remember the heavy rhetoric with which China had targetted India before HH Dalai Lama's visit to AP. Infact, the chinese dared to criticize PM's visit to AP as well.
     
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    We could, if we are really interested, talk with different groups separately and independently. We could talk with Sindhis, Balochis, Punjabis, GoP, PA, Pashtuns, TTP,...etc separately if we are really interested in it.
     
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    Or China could interfere in Kashmir(already it is giving separate Visas to Kashmiris) to provocate India and then raise the India bogey to deflect attention from the issues at home...
     
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    Pak gives China blank cheque to help Indo-Pak ties, China 'not interested'

    BEIJING: Pakistan foreign minister Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Tuesday seemed to jeopardize the peace talks with India just two days before it is scheduled to begin. He countered Indian foreign ministry’s view that the talks should focus on the issue of terrorism.

    “If India restricts the agenda or tries to narrow it down to its own immediate needs, then much progress will not be reached,” he said while speaking at a meeting organized by a Chinese government think-tank. He also tried to rope in China in the peace process between the two countries as a mediator although India has all along been against third-party intervention. "It is for the Indians to decide if they would be comfortable to have China talking as a third party to bridge the gap. As far as Pakistan is concerned they (China) have a blank cheque," he said while speaking at the State-run China Institute of International Studies.

    Within hours of his statement at a meeting in Beijing, the Chinese foreign ministry indicated it was not interested in taking up his offer.

    Qin Gang, the foreign ministry spokesman, said China supported efforts to settle disputes between India and Pakistan as both the countries were important and friendly neighbors. He avoided a direct reply on whether China will accept the offer to mediate and suggested that Beijing preferred a bilateral settlement of disputes between the two countries.

    Foreign secretary Nirupama Rao said on Monday that the issue of terrorism and Pakistan’s inability to curb it would be the “essential focus” of the foreign secretary level talks on February 25.

    Qureshi questioned this viewpoint when he said that focusing on terrorism would be “a very narrow way of looking at real challenges”. He advised India not to “succumb to political considerations” as it did by canceling the talks after the attack on Mumbai. The Pakistani foreign minister revealed that China played a “positive role” in defusing Indo-Pak tensions and protecting Pakistan’s image in the world community when emotions ran high after the Mumbai attack.

    “We want a dialogue, but we want a meaningful dialogue. And we want all issues that are of concern to both sides to be brought on the table so that dialogue is serious, meaningful and will result oriented,” he said. Pakistan is keen on discussing the Kashmir issue during the secretary level talks.

    Qureshi said the meeting will be exploratory in nature. “If they have the same spirit, the spirit Pakistan is demonstrating, a constructive approach to which we are approaching this dialogue, then obviously progress will be made and we will take next step of resumption of composite dialogue,” he said.

    “My message to friends in India is wake up. Realise what Pakistan is doing. What Pakistan is doing today is in India’s long-term interest. If we can successfully defeat the extremists and terrorists “will benefit entire region,” Qureshi said.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-China-not-interested/articleshow/5607924.cms
     
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    hihihihihi

    Blank Cheque bounced :p
     

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