China has military presence in Gilgit-Baltistan (PoK)

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We can't.. we have already recognized Tibet :angry_10:
We can always go back on our word. Chinese still put us Sikkimese as a separate nation on their Maps and have backtracked on their agreement to accept Sikkim as a part of India. This news was released 2-3 years back. We should also re-consider our stance and backtrack. Let them feel the pinch when we put Tibet and Xingjiang as blackspots on our published world maps. Then they would know how we feel when they put Arunachal, Sikkim and Kashmir as black marks.
 

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if the news proves true (no chinese source attests to it yet) it's really significant for both CN and PK strategically.

years ago there was suspicion that CN might trade PK off in improving relationship with IN, or PK got too intimate with the US.

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By expanding its stake in Pakistan's rail sector, China is poised to exploit the country's advantageous geographical position - strategically located at the confluence of South, Central and West Asia.


As a part of its development plan for its transport and communications network, Pakistan Railways has completed a feasibility study of the Chaman-Kandahar section for laying railway tracks between Pakistan and Turkmenistan through Afghanistan. The feasibility study for cost, engineering and design for the construction of a rail link from Gwadar to the existing rail network in Mastung district in Balochistan has also been finalized. The new link to Gwadar port will open up underdeveloped areas of Balochistan for development. The main aim of the venture is to connect the Central Asian republics with Pakistan Railways' network through Afghanistan.

China is going to be the beneficiary of Gwadar's most accessible international trade routes to the Central Asian republics and Xinjiang. By extending its East-West Railway from the Chinese border city of Kashi to Peshawar in Pakistan's northwest, Beijing can receive cargo to and from Gwadar along the shortest route, from Karachi to Peshawar. The rail network could also be used to supply oil from the Persian Gulf to Xinjiang. Pakistan's internal rail network can also provide China with rail access to Iran.
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http://corp.sinopipenet.com/detail-5339086.html
 
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Chinese still put us Sikkimese as a separate nation on their Maps and have backtracked on their agreement to accept Sikkim as a part of India.

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no , get updated, now the map shows Sikkim as part of India.

apparently China accepts the de facto rule.

Wasn't the last King of Sikkim dead in exile in the US?

in my memory, Tshering is a typical Tibetan name.
 

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We can't.. we have already recognized Tibet :angry_10:
recognition of Tibet was part of deal with China for north east Indian portions. when they donot keep their part of bargain we can always derecognize Tibet as part of China. There is always an option if we have resolve to do something about a problem. It looks like GOI is hell bent on trying to suppress this news thats why its not covered by major news papers.
 

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PoK leaders want merger with India
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"I am surprised that India has no concern about what is happening in Gilgit and Baltistan. Pakistan has been openly supporting and encouraging militants in Indian Kashmir and New Delhi doesn't even want to keep contact with areas that are officially still a part of its own territory," said Abdul Hamid Khan, chairman of Balawaristan National Front, a political party whose objective is to gain independence from Pakistan. Northern Areas are historically known as Balawaristan.


Balwaristan
people of Gilgit and Baltistan are suddenly finding themself under chines rule...
 
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indian forces should enter Gilgit-Baltistan region now ......they will get the support of the local population too as they are presently under a chnies rule which they would never had permitted .....
 

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Luckky, its not like walking in the park that we can enter GB just like that.
 

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Luckky, its not like walking in the park that we can enter GB just like that.

situation favers india......pakistan already abonden it and area is presently under chines control against local support......local population lost trust on pakistan......
and remember GB is a indian territory ...
 
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India needs to magnify what China is doing to the region via Pakistan. The civilized world will start listening then when they see India is not referring to old Pak-Hind rivalry and nations will mobilize to counter the renewed threat of extreme socialism. We need to make our case that China is the USSR of today, and needs to be put in its damn place.
There is nothing "socialist" about the PRC, though I would agree that there are quite a few things "extreme" about it.
 

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situation favers india......pakistan already abonden it and area is presently under chines control against local support......

it is like russian occuping afganistan....
Nice Idea brother. What about 12 K Chinese there and 12 lakhs who will come after you for this Funtastic Idea?
 

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A question to all the military professionals here:

Is the Indian Army capable of invading and seizing Gilgit-Baltistan/POK? Or will the casualties sustained in the action be inhibitive?

Keep in mind that currently the locals in the area hate the Pakjabi government in Islamabad even more than we do.
 

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Yes technically Gilgit is Indian territory. I think India can use this news to put fear in the minds of Kashmiris. Who will they be better under? Indians or China/Pak??

Also Balochis should take notice. China has made a port there.. Pak might allow China to station troops there too to safeguard their investment as well as supply route.

India has to go into propaganda overdrive. First the floods and now this blatant surrender of sovereignty of Pakistan is i think a great op for India to make sure it uses it to break up Pak once again.
 

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A question to all the military professionals here:

Is the Indian Army capable of invading and seizing Gilgit-Baltistan/POK? Or will the casualties sustained in the action be inhibitive?

Keep in mind that currently the locals in the area hate the Pakjabi government in Islamabad even more than we do.
Indian Army is well capable ..all need is a political will ..
 

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Negative. While the capability of IA is not in doubt, the casualties expected are surely not acceptable. Thousands of lives lost is something no govt will take.
 

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Negative. While the capability of IA is not in doubt, the casualties expected are surely not acceptable. Thousands of lives lost is something no govt will take.
then IA should have not moved on even after kargil ..
 

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This was all meant to happen Pakistan is wary of India's growing military power and knows it well that in future it operate to take back what is India's.Thus it knows that if one and only country that can counter India presently are the Chinese.But just see how shrewd the Chinese are that they are leaving no stone unturned to nail India.

A two faced snake.........these Chinese!!!!
 

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then IA should have not moved on even after kargil ..
It is border conflict, not the full scale or limited war. Remember that the MiG-29 locked on the F-16s of pakistan and then advised by the GoI it is not a war, just a border conflict
 

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then IA should have not moved on even after kargil ..
Kargil is in Indian possession. Our control. GB is not in our control. India has to face half a million Pak soldiers in that area.
 

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