China has dismiss the chief designer of J-20 ,JF-17 & J-10

[AbRaj]

In the main FC-1/JF-17 thread, pics are posted from PAC and related contributiors showing sections and parts being manufactured in Pakistan.
The fuselage comes in kit but will be produced in Pakistan when we switch to block III.

What is the main advantage of canards on J10 ? Bigger Radar (AESA ) ?
But newer blocks of f60 too have AESA without canards .
I noticed similar thing with Su30 MKI an su 35.
Any other advantage?
What about radar signature increase ?
@gadeshi

 

[HariPrasad-1]

The J-15 can carry 12 tons (like most Flankers), the LCA 4. You either like to lie or you are clueless.

Who told you this? If I quote chinese scientist saying that it can not take off from career with more than 2 ton payload than do you promise to resign from this forum?

I am sorry but the LCA/Tejas is the biggest joke in all serious aviation forums. Remember, Indians has been talking about this one plane for over a decade and half now. In the same period, the J-10A, JF-17, J-10S, J-10B, J-11B, J-15, JH-7A, JL-9 and L-15 were all inducted into SERVICE!

And it has shown its stuff in various air shows. your entire junk series can not match tejas in its performance parameter. Your junk 17 and Junk 10 takes 20 second for lift off while tejas takes only 11 second. Tejas can fly vertically like a rocket for 20 seconds just after take off while we see that for just 1 second for your junk 17. It has unparallel vertical loop timing of just 16 second while your junk 17 and junk 10 takes 26 seconds for covering just 270*. Where is the comparison? Tell me a single maneuvering parameter in which any of your junk series can beat Tejas. come and lets us compare air show performance. while you try to compare the two, Your cry baby JF 17 withdrew from baharine airshow to avoid comparison. So go on PDF and you will find many liar like you. Tell me why your cry baby ran away even after paying half a million USD fees in baharine air show?

With LCA project, we bought a whole new class of fighter and match the 30 years of technology gap. Our best in class AESA is getting ready and our MK1+ is coming up. MK2 shall be comparable with anything in the class and with AMCA, we shall surpass everything except the stuff from US and Russia. You can satisfy yourself by just copying and that is your fate.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

No, but people do laugh at Indians who insists on using white achievements to bash the Chinese who have literally thousands of home-built aircraft and engines and thousands of pictures to prove it.


It is extremely laughable Indians cannot produce a single picture of an indian plane with Indian powerplant while talking about Chinese "failures."


Who wouldn't laugh at such people?

Look at the troll whose country copies even pencil cell is lying here show that others are like them?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

PM to raise Su-30 MKI engine failure with Russia

http://m.hindustantimes.com/india/p...with-russia/story-sx3argvX5V7UQ3XhWwQvQP.html

And you are using the same engine in J10 and atleast 5 of them have fallen down last year and 4 in a year before that but you do not have any guts to raise the issue. After spending 16 bn USD on your junk engine, you went back to russia to buy the same engine once again.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

J-10 is based on Israeli Lavi project which was abandoned under US pressure. Israel sold it to China for approx $500 million.
It has no Russian technology or input.

JF-17 is the Russian Izdelye-33, abandoned in 1986. No prototype got ever built. Preliminary research, technology and windtunnel tests were completed before China purchased tho whole project and called it FC-1.
Pakistan sent a whole dedicated team of engineers to China, some were even taught to speak Mandarin. Our technical input was restricted, its basically a Chinese project co-funded by Pakistan in order to have our first experience of developing a fighter from scratch. As I stated earlier, our team which had almost two decades of flying experience with the F-16 did assist with developing the flight envelope and integration of western systems into it. The Thunder flies like a F-16 and block III is expected to come quite close to block 52+Aesa.

What we got in return is a capable fighter and full ToT. Early batches were assembled in Kama, now they're being co-produced. When the block III arrives, PAC will be manufacturing 52% of the airframe and parts of avionics.

J 10 is an aerodynamic disaster. I would rate JF 17 above J in reliability. J 10 is a wastage of powerful AL31 engine of Russia.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter | Defense News | defensenews.com

A possible answer is that it was unable to take off with both. "The article says that it can only carry 'two tons' of missiles and munitions when fully fueled, which is 4,400 pounds, and two YJ-83s plus two PL-8s would weigh over 4,000 pounds, leaving no margin for any PL-12s. But I don't see why it couldn't take off with PL-12s if it wasn't carrying YJ-83s." Cliff concludes that the J-15 should be capable of carrying PL-12s when it is flying purely air-to-air missions and that "it probably just can't carry PL-12s when it is flying a strike mission. 

 

[SexyChineseLady]

The J-15 like all Flankers can carry 12 tons. The LCA can carry 4 tons (according to Indians but who knows?) That is the law of aviation based on engine and configuration. A single engine light fighter cannot carry more yhan a twin engine heavy fighter. Unless you are a liar or just extremely clueless about aviation, you would know this.

The article is talking about the load when launching off a ski-jump. The LCA will carry much less than the J-15 when flying off the same ski-jump. That is the law of physics.

Off a CATOBAR carrier, the J-15 will carry the full 12 ton load. The same with LCA if there is ever a CATOBAR version.

And why are you using the LCA again when comparing to carrier craft? Indians have nothing else to talk about?

 

[SexyChineseLady]

This is J-15 taking off a carrier:

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Please show me a LCA launch off a carrier. I would love to see it!

 

[tharun]

The J-15 like all Flankers can carry 12 tons

Tell me which flanker carries 12 ton...Max carried by a sukhoi flanker is 8 tons..su-33 carries max of 6.5 tonnes

The LCA can carry 4 tons (according to Indians but who knows?)

Who said LCA can carry 4 tonnes..? Official websites says only 3.5 tons..

 

[airtel]

Hard to answer, both are equally good according to their end users. PAF delayed the purchase of the J-10/FC-20 as the JF-17 turned out to be more capable than we expected it to be and we decided to purchase more of them.

The J-10 is still on the table, time will tell if it will ever fly in PAF colors

ha ha ha , end users ?? Chini jets are rejected by countries all over the world ...............only Pakis are Buying (?) Junk Fighter 17 " blunder " because you dont have any other option & chinis are providing Loan to Pakis so that pakis can buy chini junk .

 

[tharun]

The LCA will carry much less than the J-15 when flying off the same ski-jump. That is the law of physics.

Obviously LCA will carry less payload than j-15 because it's a single jet engine..you don't need physics to understand that..

 

[airtel]

The J-15 like all Flankers can carry 12 tons. The LCA can carry 4 tons (according to Indians but who knows?) That is the law of aviation based on engine and configuration. A single engine light fighter cannot carry more yhan a twin engine heavy fighter. Unless you are a liar or just extremely clueless about aviation, you would know this.

The article is talking about the load when launching off a ski-jump. The LCA will carry much less than the J-15 when flying off the same ski-jump. That is the law of physics.

Off a CATOBAR carrier, the J-15 will carry the full 12 ton load. The same with LCA if there is ever a CATOBAR version.

And why are you using the LCA again when comparing to carrier craft? Indians have nothing else to talk about?

Awww supa power china still using sky jump instead of EMAL ??


By the way LCA = Light combat Aircraft ................designed with a less weight caring capacity .

and yes LCA has a Naval version too .


by the way are you talikng about this j-15 ?? >>> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-11/26/c_132000363.htm



your scientists & engineers are dying because of " Overworking " ...........................please dont give them so much work .

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Obviously LCA will carry less payload than j-15 because it's a single jet engine..you don't need physics to understand that..

I need to explain to your friend, Hari.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

China is testing a CATOBAR J-15 for their future CATOBAR carrier:

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Can you post pictures of an Indian plane bejng developed for CATOBAR?

How come I post all the pictures and get nothing in return? Be fair!

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Note that our new CATOBAR J-15A uses the WS-10A engine!

 

[airtel]

Can you post pictures of an Indian plane bejng developed for CATOBAR?

How come I post all the pictures and get nothing in return? Be fair!

we have 2 Aircraft carriers both are stobars .........so why the hell we will develop a CATOBAR Fighter ??

our 3rd carrier INS VISHAL will be EMAL based so we will design AMCA according to that .

 

[dude00720]

Can you post pictures of an Indian plane bejng developed for CATOBAR?

How come I post all the pictures and get nothing in return? Be fair!

Normally people use instagram or pinterest for pictures. This is a serious forum . Ask your Tamil Boyfriend

 

[airtel]

What is the main advantage of canards on J10 ? Bigger Radar (AESA ) ?
But newer blocks of f60 too have AESA without canards .
I noticed similar thing with Su30 MKI an su 35.
Any other advantage?
What about radar signature increase ?
@gadeshi

Canards increases Maneuverability (Advantage ) & RCS (disadvantage ) .

AESA does not mean Bigger Radar .

Please Use google and read about AESA RADAR .