China hails Philippines' pullout in South China Sea

[techsupport]

You are a fool. Everyone here thinks you do. You keep on saying you are an american. You are an American but only in paper, status and needed only because you live there now. You will be forever a chinese.

Im foolish to think that America will be dragged into a war with china? Based on what's happening and being reported or opined by the international press not under the control of PLA, there's a reason for the Asia Pivot. Australia, Canada, France, India, SK and Japan all expressed their support. Obviously for diplomatic reasons, they didnt commit militarily but you know already that those movements are for something. Just ask PLA to shoot at a lowly PH boat and find out if your stupid theories about the US not fulfilling his duties on our Treaty is true. China acting like a bully in South East Asia cant even scare a country with almost non-existent Navy.

No one supports China's territorial claims. Major countries already expressed support for the Philippines' stand on international arbitration to find out who is right. Port calls from Japan, India and of course the US are becoming normal now. Soon you will be surprised that the Subic Bay Port and Clark Air Base, both of which the closest point any country could get from Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal, are filled with its former occupants. Boo!

 

[s002wjh]

You are a fool. Everyone here thinks you do. You keep on saying you are an american. You are an American but only in paper, status and needed only because you live there now. You will be forever a chinese.

Im foolish to think that America will be dragged into a war with china? Based on what's happening and being reported or opined by the international press not under the control of PLA, there's a reason for the Asia Pivot. Australia, Canada, France, India, SK and Japan all expressed their support. Obviously for diplomatic reasons, they didnt commit militarily but you know already that those movements are for something. Just ask PLA to shoot at a lowly PH boat and find out if your stupid theories about the US not fulfilling his duties on our Treaty is true. China acting like a bully in South East Asia cant even scare a country with almost non-existent Navy.

No one supports China's territorial claims. Major countries already expressed support for the Philippines' stand on international arbitration to find out who is right. Port calls from Japan, India and of course the US are becoming normal now. Soon you will be surprised that the Subic Bay Port and Clark Air Base, both of which the closest point any country could get from Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal, are filled with its former occupants. Boo!

lol pipe dream buddy. maybe you should goto any US forum and check american attitude on SCS, mostly likely they don't even know where SCS is, let along want to get involve in a conflict with china, for what philippine benefit you kick us out in the 90s remember. i work for USAF and know plenty people here talk about this issue, no one really care some island thousands miles away, we got our other issues to worry about, economy, north korea, iran etc etc. US pivot of ASIA is for our own interest, and don't take for granted because you think whatever PH will do, US will come to the rescue. Georiga is best example, when dealing with major power such as russia/china, the politician is not naive to go head to head against them for some minior issues.

like i said short of a full invasion, US is not gonna fight for philippine to get ph claim island to phillipine!!! All the other country did was talk thats about it. US is the only country actually move some military resource to the region, even then us won't blindly goto war with china for few uninhabited islands, to think otherwise is naive. hope ph don't take our support as gurantee and start antagonize china for no reason, hoping they fire the first shot, and we will ride on a white horse and came resuce you. its best PH and china work out some deal via diplomacy.

 

[Ray]

If China tries to capture areas, then it US will surely react.

All her moves so far indicates the same.

 

[Ray]

I notice you didn't deny that US is your boss.

The US is also China's boss.

You react to every thing that they do!

 

[techsupport]

You Chinese call it an island when It is not even an island. the whole world call it a shoal because all you can step on the Scarborough shoal is a rock where a maximum of 5 people can stand without getting wet. I guess IQ doesnt matter when the government tells you when you can take a sh!t, right?

Dude, you're telling me and all the forumers here that most of the americans dont even know where SCS is? are you saying that they're stupid? They dont know geography? You're fond of generalizing everything. You keep on saying that you are an american. We know that already. Same with my relatives who are all in the US. Working in the Navy, air force and the likes. They're all americans now. Just on paper. People laugh at your "im american" introductions.

You are so sure that US wont cover our backs. 2 Nuclear attack submarines already came. Slowly and silently they're taking their old Naval base (the biggest outside of the US) 5 hours away from Scarborough Shoal where your closest Naval base is 2 days away. That is not something for the Chinese Navy to be worried about, right?

Your China already imposed a lot of economic sanctions to our country? Did that cripple us? No. Check our trades. What is ours. Is ours. Go tell the world that your 13th century maps, which cannot be produced, is the best evidence that you got. No one supports your country's claims. Its hard to be alone when alliances were formed and now being strengthened.

Diplomacy? That is what we're doing and the only thing that we can do but we wont give up our territory. We will not back down. Shoot at our boats and test the established treaties. If your stupid theories are right then we have to fight for our territory with what we have.


Your support? A chinese with american papers? keep living your dream. your american dream. Lols.

 

[GromHellscream]

The US is also China's boss.

You react to every thing that they do!

China is also India's boss.

You react to every thing that they do!

Shinning logic

 

[Zero_Wing]

China is also India's boss.

You react to every thing that they do!

Shinning logic

like a boss

 

[Ray]

China is also India's boss.

You react to every thing that they do!

Shinning logic

That is the fallacy that we would like China to believe in!

 

[amoy]

You Chinese call it an island when It is not even an island. the whole world call it a shoal because all you can step on the Scarborough shoal is a rock where a maximum of 5 people can stand without getting wet. I guess IQ doesnt matter when the government tells you when you can take a sh!t, right?
.

Let's take a look at how a rock becomes an "island"


Okinotori of Japan

Suyanjiao (Chinese name) S. Korea

And, China's centre of SCS - Yongxing Island

Welcome to embrace the rules of jungle.

 

[amoy]

And the memorial in the 6th pic. marks China's restoring Spratly erected on 25 Nov., the 35th year of ROC i.e. Y1946 right after WW2

Yongxing Is. China's admin. centre of SCS

 

[kickok1975]

We should resolve this dispute peacefully. I don't want China involve in military conflict with any South East Asian countries, after all they are our close neighbors and many ethnic Chinese are living there.

However, it would be foolish for Pilipino to pick up a fight with China just because some countries may support them. Should it happen, not to mention military damages, Philippine will suffer devastating economic consequence (besides economy sanction, Pilipino maid in mainland and HK will all be kicked out and all financial aid to Philippine will be stopped or canceled).

Unlike few other neighbors, Philippine traditionally get alone with us pretty well. The diplomatic relationship was established since 1975 and it has been positive most of time. Philippine has also been an immigrant destination for southern Chinese for centuries. Even Philippine's current president has ancestor trace back to Fujian province in China.

Pilipino suffered Spanish, American colonial time and Japanese occupation in last 150 years. The country barely stands up after independence and not until recently has a decent economic growth. China should not push Philippine to the corner where they find no choice but to return to American protection and occupation.

It's a lose-lose scenario for both Philippine and China.

 

[s002wjh]

If China tries to capture areas, then it US will surely react.

All her moves so far indicates the same.

its symbolic, and its mean to deter china aggression, not help some country to establish their claim. there are many issue take priority over some uninhabit island claim 10 thousands miles that most american didn't even heard of and its not even our claim. why does american have to send our daughters/sons to fight china for this? just look at whats gonna happen if there is a military conflict between us and china. North Korea, no more 6party, don't bet on china to help on NK, heck they probably send more aid/military stuff to NK if war break out between china and us. Same for Iran. but the biggest issue is economy. china hold about 10% of US debt, although not much, but at first sign of trouble they gonna dumb it in a massive way, what do you think other investor gonna do? they gonna dumb their US bond too for fear of loss, stock market will drop like rock, our slow economy will hit another recession, both china/us economy will be crippled. then their is the US coporation, i'm sure the CEOs certainly don't want to lose their profit, and they are buddies with US politician. so why would any chinese/american want this!!! unless china start acting VERY aggressively such as invading its neighbor, a military intervention won't happen. during WWII we didn't even involve in the conflict even when asia/europe are burning, its closet ally been bombed by german, until peral harbor, a direct attack on US soil.
so its best PH/ china work this out through deals. antagonize china will not help unless ph/vietnam have a good deck of cards, which they don't.

 

[Zero_Wing]

We should resolve this dispute peacefully. I don't want China involve in military conflict with any South East Asian countries, after all they are our close neighbors and many ethnic Chinese are living there.

However, it would be foolish for Pilipino to pick up a fight with China just because some countries may support them. Should it happen, not to mention military damages, Philippine will suffer devastating economic consequence (besides economy sanction, Pilipino maid in mainland and HK will all be kicked out and all financial aid to Philippine will be stopped or canceled).

Unlike few other neighbors, Philippine traditionally get alone with us pretty well. The diplomatic relationship was established since 1975 and it has been positive most of time. Philippine has also been an immigrant destination for southern Chinese for centuries. Even Philippine's current president has ancestor trace back to Fujian province in China.

Pilipino suffered Spanish, American colonial time and Japanese occupation in last 150 years. The country barely stands up after independence and not until recently has a decent economic growth. China should not push Philippine to the corner where they find no choice but to return to American protection and occupation.

It's a lose-lose scenario for both Philippine and China.

Well stop claiming then! and its Filipino and its Philippines just (Fyi)

So what if the President has chinese blood almost all filipinos have chinese blood we are a mix people we have bloods from almost every country and civilization in the world so what's your point? and if this other peaceful rise crap than feed it to some one less loser! if you don't know how to respect other nations no amount of diplomacy can solve it its meaningless 75 years so what? stop what your country is doing than we can talk relations you people sign UNCLOS for Christ sakes and you ask to be respect well that's just B.S! and now your talking about diplomatic relations it was mistake that we help you bring you to the fold to the UN the Nationalist were the true Chinese Government anyway.

 

[techsupport]

And the memorial in the 6th pic. marks China's restoring Spratly erected on 25 Nov., the 35th year of ROC i.e. Y1946 right after WW2

Yongxing Is. China's admin. centre of SCS

No wonder why the chinese thinks that Spratlys and Scarborough shoal are theirs. On the 2nd pic, look how close the Philippines is to China. Fakers abound. Haha

 

[kickok1975]

No wonder why the chinese thinks that Spratlys and Scarborough shoal are theirs. On the 2nd pic, look how close the Philippines is to China. Fakers abound. Haha

Not really, red part is China. Philippine is in brown.

 

[fzaq]

Not really, red part is China. Philippine is in brown.

deal with taiwan first

 

[Zero_Wing]

Not really, red part is China. Philippine is in brown.

Yes very logical (not) of china very smart(not)

 

[Ray]

its symbolic, and its mean to deter china aggression, not help some country to establish their claim. there are many issue take priority over some uninhabit island claim 10 thousands miles that most american didn't even heard of and its not even our claim. why does american have to send our daughters/sons to fight china for this? just look at whats gonna happen if there is a military conflict between us and china. North Korea, no more 6party, don't bet on china to help on NK, heck they probably send more aid/military stuff to NK if war break out between china and us. Same for Iran. but the biggest issue is economy. china hold about 10% of US debt, although not much, but at first sign of trouble they gonna dumb it in a massive way, what do you think other investor gonna do? they gonna dumb their US bond too for fear of loss, stock market will drop like rock, our slow economy will hit another recession, both china/us economy will be crippled. then their is the US coporation, i'm sure the CEOs certainly don't want to lose their profit, and they are buddies with US politician. so why would any chinese/american want this!!! unless china start acting VERY aggressively such as invading its neighbor, a military intervention won't happen. during WWII we didn't even involve in the conflict even when asia/europe are burning, its closet ally been bombed by german, until peral harbor, a direct attack on US soil.
so its best PH/ china work this out through deals. antagonize china will not help unless ph/vietnam have a good deck of cards, which they don't.

Interesting point.

Deter Chinese aggression but not help another country's claim.

If the US is not involved in helping another country's claim even indirectly, then where is the requirement to deter 'Chinese aggression'?

Logically seen, if China wants to occupy a disputed territory and makes it its own and the US deters the same, it means that the US is indirectly assisting the other country to establish its claim.

Americans are not known to be a very informed people. Their role model is Joe the Plumber and find it delightful to have a VP candidate, Sarah Palin, who can see Russia from her window! Can't blame them since they have been brought up on Superman being capable of having vision that see far and through anything! Therefore, if they do not know about things beyond their shores, one should not be surprised.

Not only Sarah Palin has no clue of the world, here is another case where the depth of knowledge of a US President aspirant indicates that the Americans know little beyond there shores.

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain is being pilloried for an interview he gave to the Christian Broadcasting Network, where he mangled a response to a question about Uzbekistan. "When they ask me, 'Who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan,'" he explained to David Brody, "I'm going to say you know, 'I don't know. Do you know?'"
Cain continued, "Knowing who is the head of some of these small insignificant states around the world, I don't think that is something that is critical to focusing on national security and getting this economy going. When I get ready to go visit that country, I'll know who it is, but until then, I want to focus on the big issues that we need to solve."
Joshua Foust: Herman Cain thinks Uzbekistan doesn't matter to America. He's wrong. | Need to Know | PBS

On the other hand, Americans are very possessive about doing things the American way. This is what Bush said when he went to war on Iraq:

Americans understand the costs of conflict because we have paid them in the past. War has no certainty, except the certainty of sacrifice"¦"¦

And this very fact underscores the reason we cannot live under the threat of blackmail"¦.

We are a peaceful people - yet we're not a fragile people, and we will not be intimidated by thugs and killers.

We are now acting because the risks of inaction would be far greater"¦..
Full text: Bush's speech | World news | guardian.co.uk

Also

Speaking of the Pentagon's need to focus on the war in Afghanistan, Gates said: "I wanted a department that frankly could walk and chew gum at the same time, that could wage war as we are doing now, at the same time we plan and prepare for tomorrow's wars."

The weird prospect that this usage -- "tomorrow's wars" -- renders routine is that we anticipate a good many wars in the near future. We are the ascendant democracy, the exceptional nation in the world of nations. To fight wars is our destiny and our duty. Thus the word "wars" -- increasingly in the plural -- is becoming the common way we identify not just the wars we are fighting now but all the wars we expect to fight.
David Bromwich: America's Wars: How Serial War Became the American Way of Life

Therefore:

1. The Americans do not possess the knowledge to know beyond their shores.

2. The US will defend its American way of life, come what may, come what the sacrifices are.

As far as the economy goes, check the situation China is (in the thread Doom and Gloom of China's Economy).

The largest Chinese partners (2011 figures) are the EU, US, Japan, South Korea and India. Imagine the economic and social turmoil if they stop their trade with China on a US nudge, nudge, wink, wink?

 

[Ray]

What I found most interesting and shocking on a US Forum during the last Election was that they decried 'intellectuals' and idolised the Joe the Plumber IQ.

In fact, being an intellectual in the US was equated as if the person has some terminal contagious disease and should be kept far!

 

[ice berg]

The largest Chinese partners (2011 figures) are the EU, US, Japan, South Korea and India. Imagine the economic and social turmoil if they stop their trade with China on a US nudge, nudge, wink, wink?

And there will be no effect on EU, US and all those countries? Your view on military matters may be entertaining, However your knowledge or lack of it on economics are not.

For every dollar that China exports to EU, they also spend half of them on import from them.
Only a nutcase will think freezing trade between China and rest of the world in the middle of financial storms is a good thing.