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My observation they are insecure even among their own countrymen
what makes u think so in the context Severe drought hits south-west China ?

China is a developing countries with similar problems in most of the world. Sense of insecurity is nothing unique... job, financial pressure, relationship... Grow up.

If u refer to insecurity due to ethnic tensions outsiders simply exaggerates some regional issues. Even in a paradise like India, u have Caste, Naxal, or Assam, or J&K...
 

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Why the cause of such insecurity Armand ,due to history ?.My observation they are insecure even among their own countrymen
All one has to do is look at the Great Wall as a testament to Chinese xenophobia. Throughout the course of history they have attempted to keep people out. Even the Arab and European traders who made the dynasties rich were segregated from the general population. China developed over the centuries largley cut off from the outside world due to geographic barriers, and if there wasn't one, they would build it. This lead to a culture deeply rooted in Han-centric values. The world revolved around them. Once the Mongols invaded, that was changed only by sheer force. Once they disappeared, the sentiments returned. With the rise of communism, the nationalistic feelings were revived. The Chinois see themselves as the centre of the world and everything else is less than Han. Minorities are treated as second class citizens, ie Uighers. Foreigners are called devils. If you aren't Han, you aren't Chinese.
 

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If u refer to insecurity due to ethnic tensions outsiders simply exaggerates some regional issues. Even in a paradise like India, u have Caste, Naxal, or Assam, or J&K...
I can walk one from end of India to the other and I will never be called a "white devil." I can't go two days in China without being called one.
 

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280,000 pro-China astroturfers are running amok online


If you thought corporate "astroturfing" (fake grassroots activity) was a problem at sites like Yelp and Amazon that feature user reviews of products, imagine how much worse it would be if the US government employed a couple hundred thousand people to "shape the debate" among online political forums. Crazy, right? What government would ever attempt it?

According to noted China researcher Rebecca MacKinnon, the answer is China, which allegedly employs 280,000 people to troll the Internet and make the government look good.

MacKinnon's discussion of Chinese astroturfing measures turns up in testimony that she prepared from a Congressional hearing this month. When that hearing was eventually rescheduled, MacKinnon was no longer on the witness list, so she released her prepared remarks (PDF) anyway.

The government increasingly combines censorship and surveillance measures with pro-active efforts to steer online conversations in the direction it prefers. In 2008 the Hong Kong-based researcher David Bandurski determined that at least 280,000 people had been hired at various levels of government to work as “online commentators.” Known derisively as the “fifty cent party,” these people are paid to write postings that show their employers in a favorable light in online chat rooms, social networking services, blogs, and comments sections of news websites. Many more people do similar work as volunteers—recruited from among the ranks of retired officials as well as college students in the Communist Youth League who aspire to become Party members.
This approach is similar to a tactic known as “astro-turfing” in American parlance, now commonly used by commercial advertising firms, public relations companies, and election campaigns around the world. In many provinces it is now also standard practice for government officials - particularly at the city and county level - to work to co-opt and influence independent online writers by throwing special conferences for local bloggers, or inviting them to special press events or news conferences about issues of local concern.

That last sentence about co-opting bloggers certainly isn't limited to China; US companies have perfected the practice, and government PR people dole out interviews and access to journalists in ways often designed to shape opinions or coverage. But still—280,000 people paid to permeate message boards and e-mail lists, all backing the government's line? The mind boggles.

MacKinnon's testimony, well worth reading in full, notes that Chinese citizens aren't helpless creatures of astroturf, filtering, censorship, and intimidation. People have developed countermeasures, including (these are direct quotes):

Informal anti-censorship support networks: I have attended gatherings of bloggers and journalists in China—with varying degrees of organization or spontaneousness—where participants devoted significant amounts of time to teaching one another how to use circumvention tools to access blocked websites
Distributed web-hosting assistance networks: I am aware of people who have strong English language and technical skills, as well as overseas credit cards, who are helping friends and acquaintances in China to purchase inexpensive space on overseas web hosting services, then set up independent blogs using free open-source software
Crowdsourced "opposition research": With the Chinese government’s Green Dam censorware edict last year, we have seen the emergence of loosely organized "opposition research" networks. Last June a group of Chinese computer programmers and bloggers collectively wrote a report exposing Green Dam’s political and religious censorship, along with many of its security flaws
Preservation and relay of censored content: I have noticed a number of people around the Chinese blogosphere and in chatrooms who make a regular habit of immediately downloading interesting articles, pictures, and videos which they think have a chance of being blocked or removed. They then repost these materials in a variety of places, and relay them to friends through social networks and e-mail lists.
Then comes our favorite: dirty jokes as a form of protest.

In 2009, Internet censorship tightened considerably. Many lively blogging platforms and social networks where heated political discussions were known to take place were shut down under the guise of an anti-porn crackdown. In response, an anonymous Shanghai-based jokester created an online music video called “Ode to the Grass Mud Horse”—whose technically innocent lyrics, sung by a children’s chorus over video of alpaca sheep, contained a string of highly obscene homonyms. The video spawned an entire genre of anti-censorship jokes and videos involving mythical animals whose names sound similar to official slogans and obscenities of various kinds. This viral pranksterism created an outlet for people to vent about censorship, poke fun at the government, and raise awareness among many people who are not comfortable discussing such matters in a direct way.
 

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A few interesting bits from the above article are higlighted:


According to noted China researcher Rebecca MacKinnon, the answer is China, which allegedly employs 280,000 people to troll the Internet and make the government look good.


The government increasingly combines censorship and surveillance measures with pro-active efforts to steer online conversations in the direction it prefers. In 2008 the Hong Kong-based researcher David Bandurski determined that at least 280,000 people had been hired at various levels of government to work as “online commentators.” Known derisively as the “fifty cent party,” these people are paid to write postings that show their employers in a favorable light in online chat rooms, social networking services, blogs, and comments sections of news websites. Many more people do similar work as volunteers—recruited from among the ranks of retired officials as well as college students in the Communist Youth League who aspire to become Party members.


This approach is similar to a tactic known as “astro-turfing” in American parlance, now commonly used by commercial advertising firms, public relations companies, and election campaigns around the world. In many provinces it is now also standard practice for government officials - particularly at the city and county level - to work to co-opt and influence independent online writers by throwing special conferences for local bloggers, or inviting them to special press events or news conferences about issues of local concern.



That last sentence about co-opting bloggers certainly isn't limited to China; US companies have perfected the practice, and government PR people dole out interviews and access to journalists in ways often designed to shape opinions or coverage. But still—280,000 people paid to permeate message boards and e-mail lists, all backing the government's line? The mind boggles.
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Informal anti-censorship support networks: I have attended gatherings of bloggers and journalists in China—with varying degrees of organization or spontaneousness—where participants devoted significant amounts of time to teaching one another how to use circumvention tools to access blocked websites
 

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Google is part of the US govt and has national security council inside Google.



Tarpley: US gov uses Google proxy to attack China


Beijing has criticised U.S internet giant Google, after it decided to withdraw its server from China and redirect users to its uncensored Hong Kong site. In January a rift grew between the two after the firm announced it would no longer censor it's services - later citing viral attacks on the accounts of human rights workers for the decision. Authorities in Hong Kong say they won't comply with the mainland in controlling the company's web content. But investigative journalist Webster Tarpley thinks the belief that moving operations to Hong Kong will solve the problem, is naive.
Comment of a certain Indian on this...X-posting:

And the US would be foolish if they did not use this EXCELLENT intelligence tool. Foreign govt officials may not use Google in their offices(though the possibility cannot be ruled out), but they or their family probably are on GMail and/or search on Google. If not Google, then Yahoo, or Facebook or any of the multiple US-based services.

Given a wide enough base of observation, a CIA analyst can probably triangulate a govt official/corporate honcho's weaknesses and "inclinations", along with some actual intel, e.g. "Big Boss XYZ likes this weird type of p0rn, and his wife is having a secret affair", or "Honcho ABC has a drug addiction".

What can such people say when the black-suits come knocking at their door with a proposition and clear consequences of non-cooperation.

A friend of mine who works at a telco told me that if laws permitted him to snoop, he could quite easily get to know a person better than their spouse...their calls, their location, web searches, emails, affairs, addictions, tax evasions, unpopular political views, etc.
 
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China and the world: public opinion and foreign policy
Fergus Hanson , Andrew Shearer

Summary
The Lowy Institute has just released its first China Poll, a wide-ranging survey of Chinese public opinion towards a number of important international policy issues. By what do the Chinese people feel threatened? How do they feel about foreign investment from Australia, Canada and the United States? Which country do the Chinese people regard as the best place to be educated and what do they think of Australia - is it a good place to visit, a country with attractive values or is it suspicious of China?

The 2009 Lowy Institute China Poll asked a broad sample of the Chinese population these questions and others. The Poll was partly funded with the generous assistance of the MacArthur Foundation as part of the Lowy Institute’s MacArthur Foundation Asia Security Project.

Excerpt from the Jonathan Holslag interview:


The Coming China-India Conflict: Is War Inevitable?

Excerpt from the Jonathan Holslag interview:


Beijing officials are increasingly worried about India's ambitions. If you look at the writings of Chinese experts, they refer to Indian military posturing in the Indian Ocean and also to military partnerships India is developing with several countries in Southeast Asia and East Africa. In the public realm, Chinese Netizens' views of India are very negative. You get the sense the Chinese never seemed to expect India to climb up to the ranks of the great powers. Now, as India attempts to make that leap, the Chinese are very worried of its impact on China's primacy in Asia.


Jonathan Holslag is correct in saying the above. India is certainly viewed as a threat in China.

34% of Chinese view india as a threat. That puts india in the number 3 position for nation’s viewed as posing a threat after the US (50%) and Japan (45%).

14% of Chinese actually view india as the greatest threat to their security in the next 10 years. In this category india is joint number 2 threat after the US (34%) and tie for second place with Japan (14%).
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Google is part of the US govt and has national security council inside Google.
Webster Tarpley = Russian Stooge ... nobody cares what he has to say except those who see the downfall of capitalist governments. You should hear his diatribe on UK, makes them sound like the anti-christ.
 

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Webster Tarpley = Russian Stooge ... nobody cares what he has to say except those who see the downfall of capitalist governments. You should hear his diatribe on UK, makes them sound like the anti-christ.
Perhaps. But thats not the point, the point is the google could be a powerful tool for the US. Its given that US would have some control over Google, isnt it?
 

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Perhaps. But thats not the point, the point is the google could be a powerful tool for the US. Its given that US would have some control over Google, isnt it?
The US government doesn't have control over Google. If they want information they have to have a court ordered subpoena. Fortunately for America, France, and many other countries that Google operates... we have a free judiciary that doesn't willy nilly grant goverment requests without due process.
 

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The US government doesn't have control over Google. If they want information they have to have a court ordered subpoena. Fortunately for America, France, and many other countries that Google operates... we have a free judiciary that doesn't willy nilly grant goverment requests without due process.
Do you really believe that US govt cant get info from Google without going to judiciary? I have no basis to support but I think common sense says that US govt would have enough clout within Google...
 

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Do you really believe that US govt cant get info from Google without going to judiciary? I have no basis to support but I think common sense says that US govt would have enough clout within Google...
If it was ever found out that they did, Google would be out of business. They wouldn't risk it.
 

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If it was ever found out that they did, Google would be out of business. They wouldn't risk it.
Yep, IF it is ever FOUND out THEN it would be a huge scam.

But really, armand, Google would depend on US' Govt for lot of things domestically and internationally. US Govt would have enough clout to get info from Google citing some national security issue, would Google resist?
 

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Yep, IF it is ever FOUND out THEN it would be a huge scam.

But really, armand, Google would depend on US' Govt for lot of things domestically and internationally. US Govt would have enough clout to get info from Google citing some national security issue, would Google resist?
The US Gov has requested material from Google before and it was denied. Without a court order, they don't get jack.
 

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Fake green peas latest food scandal

Unsafe artificial green peas were found in Hunan province earlier this month, making the list of toxic food products in the country even longer, according to the local food safety watchdog.

The problematic green peas appeared in the provincial capital of Changsha and Hengyang city, a local newspaper reported over the weekend.

"The peas were an unnatural color and had a penetrating odor. After 20 minutes of cooking, the peas did not turn soft but the water turned green," the report said.
 

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Someone above linked an article from CNN. If you ever want to inform yourself, watch RussiaToday, it's the best news channel I've ever seen. Check the "Keiser Report" with Max Keiser and "Crosstalk" with Peter Lavelle.
 

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Someone above linked an article from CNN. If you ever want to inform yourself, watch RussiaToday, it's the best news channel I've ever seen. Check the "Keiser Report" with Max Keiser and "Crosstalk" with Peter Lavelle.
Sure, thats just what people need to watch for a fair look at the world... State-run Russian tele.
 

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