China frets over India's atomic subs

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    China frets over India’s atomic subs

    Nuclear-capable vessels offer to destabilize Beijing's expansion agenda

    WASHINGTON – India recently test-fired a submarine-launched ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead – something that is of serious concern not only to New Delhi’s arch-rival Pakistan, but also to China, according to report from Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.

    China recently has been concerned about India’s efforts to expand its influence in the East and South China Seas, where Beijing has asserted exclusive jurisdiction especially over maritime resources. Beijing is upset with India over its assistance to Vietnam in off-shore oil exploration.

    At the same time, New Delhi has been equally concerned about China’s expansion into the Indian Ocean. Beijing strategists see the Indian nuclear ballistic missile submarine capability as threatening its access to the Indian Ocean through the Malacca Strait, where 25 percent of global trade takes place.

    At the same time, India could use its future ballistic missile submarine force to block Chinese oil imports through the Strait, thereby causing major disruptions in the Chinese economy.

    In response to this future prospect, China has set up a network of forward-deployed naval bases to protect its oil shipping lanes to the Middle East. Some of these facilities will be in the Indian Ocean, which New Delhi sees as a plan by Beijing to surround it.

    However, New Delhi’s deployment of these SLBMs could complicate that strategy and actually position Indian submarines off of China’s shores, resulting in the threat to China of a ballistic missile attack.

    India’s ability to launch a ballistic missile submarine will ensure that neither China nor Pakistan will be able to destroy New Delhi’s nuclear capability in a first strike. With the ability to launch a ballistic missile from a submarine, it completes New Delhi’s nuclear triad – launching a nuclear attack from land, sea or air.

    The missiles will be placed on India’s Arihant nuclear submarine. It will be outfitted with four launch silos designed to hold 12 of the new missiles that have a range from 700 kilometers to 3,500 kilometers.

    The Arihant is expected to be operational this year, with three more planned for construction and put into operation by 2025.

    Sources say that this reflects a new Indian strategic direction to make the Indian Ocean its own area of influence in competition with the Pakistanis.


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    well they have nuke sub we showed same feeling . We are far behind then china they should not think about us ,

    they shoul think about usa
     
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    when they are eyeing Indian ocean the obstacle is India not US.
     
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    The last para was absurd and makes the whole article absurd. In competition with Pakistan? The author thinks India and Pakistan are in the same league competing in the Indian Ocean? God!
     
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    750 km Range K-15 is no threat to Chinese mainland , We have one Nuclear attack submarine which is leased from Russia INS CHAKRA which can play a role in Naval blocked if India goes to War with China . Arihant is still on trail even operational its a ballistic missile submarine hence will play lesser or no role in Naval blocked compare to Attack Submarine.China has no reason to worry , because they have more Nuclear submarine than India

    The Article looks more of a propoganda of US against China involving INDIA in a bigger game which India should decline with due respect.India should take on China if it's national interest is threatened , they should never become a boggy for USA Vs China

    SIMILAR TO WHAT PAKISTAN BECAME IN USA VS USSR In Afghanistan
     
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    The article attempts to pin the blame of PLAN expansion into Indian Ocean on India. The arguement is made that due to the SSBN force, China needs the Naval facilities in Indian Ocean, when the opposite is true. The author is almost being dellirious in saying that the Arihants will be on deterrence patrol in SCS, near Chinese coast. The Chinese even after operating their SSBN for close to three decades haven't been able to undertake a single deterrence patrol, and they expect us to be doing it in near future.

    And whosoever heard of using SSBN for setting up blocades, that would be the function of the SSNs and the AIP included diesel-electric Subs. Or does he thing the IN will park the SSBN like a road block infront of Chinese transports? He has clearly no idea of the difference between a SSN and SSBN?God bless him.
     
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    do you think India have asset to counter china ??? , no frankly speaking not ...

    if you cant compete your enemy then make your friend and what usa is thinking we dont know.

    i hope you saw your defence minister view about India
     
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    This is what exactly i meant in my previous post , USA is playing divide & rule policy the stategy which was made famous by British in India during Colonial period:mad:

    yes we have problem with China & we have got our own ways & means to tackle that . We should not become a puppet weapon to counter china in the hands of America

    US should use its begger friend Pakis instead:thumb:
     
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    Does have China ability to lead a campaign thousands of miles away?
     
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    Sorry to disappoint you: even in Indian ocean, the obstacle is still US, simply because they are the dominance power, india is only the second.
     
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    No, China doesn't! Neither does India.
    So, basically no one has the ability to make any meaningful threat in other's doorstep. Then why should China worry about india's nuclear subs.
     
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    Pakistan as India's "arch-rival"? I don' think so.
     
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    US only has 1 base in the Indian Ocean-Diego Garcia.
     
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    how many more does it need to handle India?

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    Yes, but USA has the ability to deploy a navy force over your doorway within a week, which indian navy and indian air force combined has no match at all.
     
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    This is just a ridiculous thread.

    Here's the difference between the PLAN's and IN's best SSBN's.

    One weighs 6000tons carrying a payload of 12 K15's which weigh 6tons each with a max engagement range of 700km. The other weighs in at 8000tons surfaced, carrying a nuclear payload of 12, 42ton, 9000km range possibly MRIVed JL2's.

    For Arihant and K15 to strike any part of the Chinese mainland, it would have to sail through the Malacca strait, into the South China Sea(both of which are reported by the Pentagon to be home to large networks of PLAN hydrophone listening devices, a Chinese equivalent of the American SOSUS), and to within less than 700km of the city its targeting.

    That's no reason to fret for China at all. Next to American Ohio class subs which can hit Chinese cities with multiple warheads from their home ports, Indian Arihants are no more than an after-thought to Chinese decision makers.
     

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