China finally retires MiG-19 clones

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the original news in Chinese saying those retired recently are trainers not fighters, because the new trainers have been delivered which is JJ-9, the figters retired long time ago.
P.S, glad to know from indian or french that China has only 330 front line 4G fighters
Are you counting J-10/j-11 as fourth generation??
 

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Reddragon, China has more than 350 4G fighters??
 

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I don't know the right #, but I saw this 330 5 years ago, I am just glad that # is confirmed by your guys.
 

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China also has 100+ JH/Jh7A fighter bombers. While the airframe design may be dated, their overall capability is still quite good: 1.7 Mach max, 3700km ferry range, up to 8000kg ordnance, capable of carrying a load of anti-ship/air-ground missiles such as C803, KD88, YJ91 as well as laser-guided bombs. It is also an all-weather 2-seater attacker equipped with terrain-following radar, therefore giving it good deep-penetration capability. Overall it can be viewed as a poor man's Su30, certainly much more capable than IAF's Jaguar.
 

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China also has 100+ JH/Jh7A fighter bombers. While the airframe design may be dated, their overall capability is still quite good: 1.7 Mach max, 3700km ferry range, up to 8000kg ordnance, capable of carrying a load of anti-ship/air-ground missiles such as C803, KD88, YJ91 as well as laser-guided bombs. It is also an all-weather 2-seater attacker equipped with terrain-following radar, therefore giving it good deep-penetration capability. Overall it can be viewed as a poor man's Su30, certainly much more capable than IAF's Jaguar.
No one cares about ferry range, combat radius is what to look for. Divide the ferry range by four and you get the rough combat radius or less than 1000km. Its max payload is 6,500kg. Overall it can be viewed as a poor mans Su-24, it isn't even in the same class as the Su-30.
 

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Wiki says 9000kg, 6500kg is probably the number for the early model JH-7 whose production has long given away to JH-7A. JH-7A has avionics that can literally run circles around Su24, so call it a poorman's Su-24 is laughable. Also the combat range for JH-7 is more likely around 1500km.

Anyway China currently has a deep strike aircraft that she can produce 100% indiginously, and if needed can be produced en masse. The same can not be said of India.
 
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Wiki says 9000kg, 6500kg is probably the number for the early model JH-7 whose production has long given away to JH-7A. JH-7A has avionics that can literally run circles around Su24, so call it a poorman's Su-24 is laughable. Also the combat range for JH-7 is more likely around 1500km.

Anyway China currently has a deep strike aircraft that she can produce 100% indiginously, and if needed can be produced en masse. The same can not be said of India.
Do you trust all data that is available in Wiki ?
I am sure when it comes to Indian system you will always tell its exaggerated data and when its your system its absolutely correct .
 

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"350" so called is quite outdated.
well, guy, CHina has global biggest flaner fleet, even bigger than Russia's...
 

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Do you trust all data that is available in Wiki ?
I am sure when it comes to Indian system you will always tell its exaggerated data and when its your system its absolutely correct .
Unfortunately the so-called 'indian systems' that have actually entered service, generally don't exist, virtually all of them are either on the drawing board, in development, forever under testing or 'will be inducted very soon'.

Prithvi-I,II, missiles based on SA-2, a 105mm field canon (again a copy of a british gun), INSAS rifle (again a copy of a belgian rifle, heard Indian army still prefers AK), couple Dehli class ships stuffed full of imported foreign weaspons & sensors (can't think of a single india-made subsystem on those ships) is all we currently can call 'the indian system'
 
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Wiki says 9000kg, 6500kg is probably the number for the early model JH-7 whose production has long given away to JH-7A. JH-7A has avionics that can literally run circles around Su24, so call it a poorman's Su-24 is laughable. Also the combat range for JH-7 is more likely around 1500km.

Anyway China currently has a deep strike aircraft that she can produce 100% indiginously, and if needed can be produced en masse. The same can not be said of India.
China has not been able to produce more than 50 planes in the last 20 years, you must be kidding, and the WS-9 engine isn't as capable as you make it appear.
 
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Unfortunately the so-called 'indian systems' that have actually entered service, generally don't exist, virtually all of them are either on the drawing board, in development, forever under testing or 'will be inducted very soon'.

Prithvi-I,II, missiles based on SA-2, a 105mm field canon (again a copy of a british gun), INSAS rifle (again a copy of a belgian rifle, heard Indian army still prefers AK), couple Dehli class ships stuffed full of imported foreign weaspons & sensors (can't think of a single india-made subsystem on those ships) is all we currently can call 'the indian system'
well, guy, your words are too caustic and may hurt the hearts of many people here.....,althought perhaps your word seem true somewhat....hahah :)
 

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JH-7 would be toast against USAF, but it is more than capable of carrying out deep strike missions in india as things currently stand now. I rate JH-7 to be a superior attacker to anything in India's inventory outside those Su30MKIs.
 
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JH-7 will not be produced anymore Russia is not supplying the turbofan kits.
 

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JH-7 uses imported Spey engines whereas the current production model JH-7A uses a domestic copy called WS-9 Qingling. It took China 20 years to fully digest the technology associated with Spey, a very indian-like effort, but WS-9 is in production and has been equipped all the Jh-7As produced. JH-7 has zero no russian connection except for that it can be equipped with YJ-91 anti-radiation missile, chinese copy of KH31.
 

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JH-7 will not be produced anymore Russia is not supplying the turbofan kits.
haha, JH7's engine is a WS8, clone of UK's spey,instead of Russia's engine.

CHina inducted spey in 1970s,but the indigienization of spey paused in 1980s,then restarted in 1990s . the indigenizaiton was finally finished about five years ago.

of course, WS8 in fact is a improved version of Spey.after all, its rolled out almost 40 year later than Spey.
 
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Spey engine is a 1964 design engine and all attempts to find a better engine have failed.
 

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I think it is WS-9, not WS-8. Not sure if WS-9 is improved over Spey, but Spey in itself is not a bad engine, it is probably more reliable than AL-31, and probably lasts longer. China generally has less problems cloning russian weapons than western ones, this fact certainly says a lot about the actual level of russian technologies.
 

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