China executed more people than rest of world combined: AI

[badguy2000]

well,3 phllip drug smuggler were executed in CHina yesterday.

中国30日依法注射处决3名菲律宾籍毒贩

评社香港3月31日电／中国星期三（30日）依法以注射方式处决三名贩毒的菲律宾人。曾亲自访问中国、为三人求情的菲律宾副总统比奈形容，这是伤感的一天。而三人在菲律宾的亲属，都感到十分悲痛。

　　凤凰卫视报道，其中克里多的岳母表示，他们已尽一切所能，希望能争取缓刑，但到底这是中国的法律，只能接受。另一个毒贩柯丁纳尼奥的妹妹就表示，这是中国政府给予的惩罚，希望他们已听取了家属的请求，以人道方式对待她姐姐。

http://gb.chinareviewnews.com/doc/1...169&kindid=0&docid=101645593&mdate=0331100143

 

[AOE]

Oh good, lets hope that evidence doesn't surface that any of these people, or anyone killed by the CCP is actually innocent. Not that the CCP will even consider evidence contrarian to its own position.

Another point worth considering is that drugs, at least marijuana, is something that should be legalized. Now there's a point really worth making given the context. lol

 

[RedDragon]

Oh good, lets hope that evidence doesn't surface that any of these people, or anyone killed by the CCP is actually innocent. Not that the CCP will even consider evidence contrarian to its own position.

Another point worth considering is that drugs, at least marijuana, is something that should be legalized. Now there's a point really worth making given the context. lol

Are you high? right now.

 

[AOE]

Not high at all, in fact such an argument is a sober realization in itself. There is no argument against the point that we have alcohol and tobacco legalized*, yet not marijuana. Alcohol causes greater levels of violence in domestic situations, as well as drink driving, road rage, and general violent behaviour, and tobacco does more physical damage to the human body than pot. Do your research on the medical effects of marijuana on the human body, its effectiveness on relaxation in stark contrast to the above two.*

 

[cw2005]

Not high at all, in fact such an argument is a sober realization in itself. There is no argument against the point that we have alcohol and tobacco legalized*, yet not marijuana. Alcohol causes greater levels of violence in domestic situations, as well as drink driving, road rage, and general violent behaviour, and tobacco does more physical damage to the human body than pot. Do your research on the medical effects of marijuana on the human body, its effectiveness on relaxation in stark contrast to the above two.*

The mentality is the same as the British wanted, 100 years ago, to legalise Opium so that they could sell it to China.

 

[AOE]

I'm talking about marijuana, not opium. I'm also talking about it being legalized everywhere, not just in China.

 

[The Messiah]

Killing people for any crime is unecessary, and it becomes a serious problem when evidence surfaces later that the person executed in question was actually innocent. I think any person who advocates capital punishment should be the one put in charge of telling the family of the 'convicted' why it is the state legal system screwed up, and why it is their son/daughter/family member is dead.

Putting them into labor could work, that would be a good deterrant, then again so could a strong gaol sentence.

I disagree. When evidence is conclusive and the crime fits the bill then he should be off'ed.

Take for example kasab....there's video feed where he's spraying bullets all over the place. why should tax payers money be used to keep a terrorist alive ?

 

[The Messiah]

I'm talking about marijuana, not opium. I'm also talking about it being legalized everywhere, not just in China.

What benefit does marijuana provide ?

 

[amitkriit]

What benefit does marijuana provide ?

Medical marijuana is used in Lung cancer, Brain Cancer, HIV/AIDS and Breast Cancer treatments.

 

[The Messiah]

Medical marijuana is used in Lung cancer, Brain Cancer, HIV/AIDS and Breast Cancer treatments.

He is talking about individuals buying it over the counter.

Moreover if those are the only benefits then at most it should only be used and supervised by specialist personnel or doctors.

And....

Marijuana medical benefits exaggerated
October 13, 2010 9:29 PM

Proposition 203 claims marijuana is medicine that can be used for people with glaucoma, cancer and multiple sclerosis. However, the organizations that research these diseases say otherwise.

In its latest newsletter, the Glaucoma Foundation said: "Medical experts believe that marijuana could actually prove harmful for glaucoma patients." And, "Marijuana only lowers (intraocular) pressure for several hours, requiring patients to continuously medicate day and night. Failing to do so can lead to a rebound spike in eye pressure, which can be damaging."

The American Cancer Society, on its website, quotes a study showing marijuana smokers have 2-3 times the cancer risk of non-smokers, and said patients would be "unwise" to use marijuana, especially since safer medications are available.
The National Multiple Sclerosis Society, also on its website, says it does not recommend marijuana because it's no better than existing medications and can worsen coordination and memory.

In other words, the medical benefits of marijuana have been greatly oversold. That's not surprising. The group behind Prop 203 is an out-of-state lobby whose only aim is legalize pot, not provide health care.

The AMA and several other medical organizations do support research to develop non-smoked cannabinoid medications. But they do not support smoking marijuana and they do not support medical marijuana laws.

 

[AOE]

Discerning between who is clearly guilty and who clearly isn't is a highly subjective area. Some people who appear guilty can actually be innocent and go to prison due to a trial by media, or because they are mentally ill; or the opposite scenario where someone is clearly guilty but behaves in a manner that shows they are innocent, regardless of whether the evidence is in favor or against the person.

It can be reliant on the tax payer, or they can be put to use for cheap unskilled labor jobs, which would be a good deterrant for criminals. Killing terrorists can often have the unintended consequence of martyring them sometimes, like what has happened in Indonesia with the Bali bomber.

As for marijuana; I wasn't arguing for its medical use, although that is still a subject of debate in the medical science world, I was instead arguing that there is no real reason to have it banned while allowing the commercial sale and distribution of tobacco and alcohol. The former has less of a buzz/more side effects on the human body than marijuana, and the latter has a much, much higher statistical relation with violence (domestic abuse, drink driving, road rage, pub brawls, youth violence, etc...) since it is a depressant. Marijuana relaxes the mind and body, and statistical deaths from consumption are far lower than the previous two mentioned drugs.

I would also argue that all drugs to a large extent should be legalized and available over the counter for another reason that it prevents people from having to buy it off drug dealers, which would drastically decrease drug related crimes.

 

[Razor]

Take for example kasab....there's video feed where he's spraying bullets all over the place. why should tax payers money be used to keep a terrorist alive ?

The death penalty should not be abolished. No point in giving our money to keep the likes of kASSab in secure prisons. He should have been hanged in 2009 itself.

 

[Razor]

I would also argue that all drugs to a large extent should be legalized and available over the counter for another reason that it prevents people from having to buy it off drug dealers, which would drastically decrease drug related crimes.

You know what else could reduce drug related crimes Death Penalty for Drug trafficking.

 

[AOE]

You know what else could reduce drug related crimes Death Penalty for Drug trafficking.

That doesn't work I'm afraid. Putting the death penalty for any crime is not going to stop it completely, as you will always have people breaking the law no matter what. Yet again it's also easy to advocate this as a solution when you're not the person who has to talk to a grieving family when the state executes someone who turns out to be innocent later. There will always be people in society who look for means outside of a hard days work to make money, and if you legalize drugs; you take away one of their means to do so, as well as a sizable chunk of any drug related violence, and deaths from substance abuse.

 

[Razor]

That doesn't work I'm afraid. Putting the death penalty for any crime is not going to stop it completely, as you will always have people breaking the law no matter what.

Yes and it is for them that the death penalty is designed.

Yet again it's also easy to advocate this as a solution when you're not the person who has to talk to a grieving family when the state executes someone who turns out to be innocent later.

I agree the innocent must not be punished, so the judiciary and its enforcement arm must be made competent.

There will always be people in society who look for means outside of a hard days work to make money, and if you legalize drugs; you take away one of their means to do so, as well as a sizable chunk of any drug related violence, and deaths from substance abuse.

Legalizing drugs will be a big mistake as the poorer population will become addicted to it. And i don't think it will reduce the violence.
Another suggestion as to decrease drug related crimes is to spread awareness esp among the youth and to create an aversion to it among them.

 

[AOE]

Yes and it is for them that the death penalty is designed.

You haven't provided a counter-argument, you have just restated what you already said. The death penalty is not going to reduce drug smuggling or related crimes completely; I know this because at one point in developed countries, people were killed or put in prison for life and it didn't stop it.

I agree the innocent must not be punished, so the judiciary and its enforcement arm must be made competent.

Yet again, same point as above. You wont be able to stop the killing of innocents completely by the state, no matter how competent the legal system is. They're only as competent as the evidence presented at the time of the hearing.

Legalizing drugs will be a big mistake as the poorer population will become addicted to it. And i don't think it will reduce the violence.
Another suggestion as to decrease drug related crimes is to spread awareness esp among the youth and to create an aversion to it among them.

I assumed the spreading of awareness was already underway in India, if not; then yes that will also help. The poorer populations of any country will always have access to it whether it's legal or not, legalizing it will put state controls over the substances in question, help to rapidly decrease drug trafficking/related crimes, and will ensure higher quality control than the kind currently grown by criminals (death penalty or not), which means there will statistically be less deaths from substance abuse. The Netherlands is an example where pot is legalized, and much of the substance abuse deaths/crime rates/trafficking has decreased ever since.

 

[Razor]

You haven't provided a counter-argument, you have just restated what you already said. The death penalty is not going to reduce drug smuggling or related crimes completely; I know this because at one point in developed countries, people were killed or put in prison for life and it didn't stop it.




Yet again, same point as above. You wont be able to stop the killing of innocents completely by the state, no matter how competent the legal system is. They're only as competent as the evidence presented at the time of the hearing.



I assumed the spreading of awareness was already underway in India, if not; then yes that will also help. The poorer populations of any country will always have access to it whether it's legal or not, legalizing it will put state controls over the substances in question, help to rapidly decrease drug trafficking/related crimes, and will ensure higher quality control than the kind currently grown by criminals (death penalty or not), which means there will statistically be less deaths from substance abuse. The Netherlands is an example where pot is legalized, and much of the substance abuse deaths/crime rates/trafficking has decreased ever since.

Actually I am not convinced as to how legalising pot is the solution. So you say the Gov. legalize pot and regulate its usage. But then criminals would always produce more (driven by greed and maybe poverty) and would try to inject more into the society.
You see this is not the Netherlands, its India. I dont think its easy to regulate drugs being supplied to such a vast pop. besides Netherlands is a developed country, it might not work in developing countries like India and PRC. Also doesnt the very fact that its being tried only in the Netherlands tell us something about its compatibility with other populations.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

What benefit does marijuana provide ?

Cancer patients benefit greatly, it acts as an natural pain relief and also counters the Chemotherapy side effects, it is legally prescribed by doctors in Canada where its is used as an treatment! Moreover its far better than Alcohol which is an legal drug!

Moreover Marijuana Ganja has been legal in India for countless millennium and even our God Shiva smokes pot, so what is your problem. Boom Boom Shanti.

 

[AOE]

Actually I am not convinced as to how legalising pot is the solution. So you say the Gov. legalize pot and regulate its usage. But then criminals would always produce more (driven by greed and maybe poverty) and would try to inject more into the society.
You see this is not the Netherlands, its India. I dont think its easy to regulate drugs being supplied to such a vast pop. besides Netherlands is a developed country, it might not work in developing countries like India and PRC. Also doesnt the very fact that its being tried only in the Netherlands tell us something about its compatibility with other populations.

I know the differences between the Netherlands and India/PRC, but all I can say is that if tobacco and alcohol are managed reasonably in both countries at present; marijuana will be no different if it's legalized. If it can't be managed now then chances are, the two above substances and most illegal substances will also be out of control now. Do criminals sell home made booze and cigarettes en masse and traffic it to destabilize either country? If not, then yet again; marijuana will not be an issue. Criminals selling weed will also drop significantly if you apply the same logic, and if not; people will often not buy it if there's a cheaper and better made alternative at a local pharmacy.

As for compatability; well it has been a part of Indian culture in the past, so I don't think it would be far more negative to apply the same law in India.

 

[Tshering22]

Amnesty International is the biggest anti of any country other than Western whims and fancies on this planet. That's the last organization I would trust with figures. Although I am aware of what the CCP is capable of doing.