China establishes 'air-defence zone' over East China Sea

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  1. happy

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    China has demarcated an "air-defence identification zone" over an area of the East China Sea, covering islands that are also claimed by Japan.

    China's Defence Ministry said aircraft entering the zone must obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".

    The islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, are a source of rising tension between the countries.

    Japan lodged a strong protest over what it said was an "escalation".

    "Setting up such airspace unilaterally escalates the situations surrounding Senkaku islands and has danger of leading to an unexpected situation," Japan's Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

    Taiwan, which also claims the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands, expressed regret at the move and promised that the military would take measure to protect national security.

    'No specific target'
    In its statement, the Chinese Defence Ministry said aircraft must report a flight plan, "maintain two-way radio communications", and "respond in a timely and accurate manner" to identification inquiries.

    "China's armed forces will adopt defensive emergency measures to respond to aircraft that do not co-operate in the identification or refuse to follow the instructions," said the statement.

    It said the zone came into effect from 10:00 local time (02:00GMT) on Saturday.

    State news agency Xinhua showed a map on its website covering a wide area of the East China Sea, including regions very close to South Korea and Japan.

    Responding to questions about the zone on an official state website, a defence ministry spokesman, Yang Yujun, said China set up the area "with the aim of safeguarding state sovereignty, territorial land and air security, and maintaining flight order".

    "It is not directed against any specific country or target," he said, adding that China "has always respected the freedom of over-flight in accordance with international law".

    "Normal flights by international airliners in the East China Sea Air Defence Identification Zone will not be affected in any way."

    The islands have been a source of tension between China and Japan for decades.

    In 2012, the Japanese government bought three of the islands from their Japanese owner, sparking mass protests in Chinese cities.

    Since then, Chinese ships have repeatedly sailed in and out of what Japan says are its territorial waters.

    In September this year, Japan said it would shoot down unmanned aircraft in Japanese airspace after an unmanned Chinese drone flew close to the disputed islands.

    China said that any attempt by Japan to shoot down Chinese aircraft would constitute "an act of war".

    Last month Japan's defence minister, Itsunori Onodera, said China's behaviour over the disputed East China Sea islands was jeopardising peace.

    BBC World Service East Asia editor Charles Scanlon says the confrontation over the small chain of uninhabited islands is made more intractable by conflicting claims for potentially rich energy resources on the sea bed.

    But the issue has now become a nationalist touchstone in both countries, making it hard for either side to be seen to back down, he says.

    BBC News - China establishes 'air-defence zone' over East China Sea

     
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  3. happy

    happy Senior Member Senior Member

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    This is a manifestation of chinese bullying tactics. Guess they want to send a message to India as well. Would be interesting to see how the rest of the world respond.
     
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    China can take a running jump!

    Who do these idiots think they are?

    Let us see what they can do.

    If they shoot an aircraft, then there will be hell to play.

    All countries should likewise demand that anything flying in China also file the details to them!
     
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    When the enemy of united nation, Japan set that, no one called it bullying tactics. Your bias is tooabvious.
    If that makes you feel good to think this is a message to India, be my guess. But India government will not be this stupid in thinking your way
     
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    Havent you noticed?
    Nationalsozialistische Gewaltherrschaft!!
    Lets see some action Abe!!
     
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    Hagel: U.S. 'deeply concerned' with China air defense map - POLITICO.com

    China creates air defence zone over Japan-controlled islands - FRANCE 24

    China's new air defense zone above Senkakus 'very dangerous' escalation, Japan says | The Japan Times

    China is the most passive-aggressive country on the planet.

    Churchill said of the Germans, "They are always at your throat or at your feet." Even more true of China today.

    If Chinese are not making threats, they are whimpering that somebody is threatening them. Pathetic is what they are.



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    what next zones at Moon and Mars..............?
     
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    I wonder what China will do if USS George Washington steams past the the Chinese coast, keeping out of Chinese waters, with it jets flying atop.
     
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    I see this as a good move by China. In an old Chinese saying: 置之死地而后生 (in order to live, you have to prepare to die). US has played this Asian against Asian geo game for too long and it's time to drag her into this huge potential conflict. Either everyone comes to the table settle this down once for all or let the tension escalate to the point where nerve could break.
     
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    you should read the definition of "air defence zone" before drawing your conclusion .

    USA/Japan established "air defence zone" over international high sea several decade ago. and the boundary of their "air defence zone" is only 130 KM aways form Chinese mainland.

    What CHina is doing now is just a late reply to USA/Japanese wrongdo.


    Air-defence identification zones

    1.Zones do not necessarily overlap with airspace, sovereign territory or territorial claims

    2.States define zones, and stipulate rules that aircraft must obey; legal basis is unclear

    3.During WW2, US established an air perimeter and now maintains four separate zones - Guam, Hawaii, Alaska, and a contiguous mainland zone

    4.UK, Norway, Japan and Canada also maintain zones
     
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    So basically foreign military planes can not violate Air defence zone, but they can go through Chinese territorial waters ? right?
     
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    US 'deeply concerned' over China air defense zone, John Kerry says

    GENEVA: The United States is "deeply concerned" about China's plans to establish an "air defense identification zone" over the East China Sea that includes disputed islands, .....

    In a move that raised the temperature of a bitter territorial row between China and Japan, Beijing's defense ministry said it was setting up the zone to "guard against potential air threats."

    It later scrambled air force jets, including fighter planes, to carry out a patrol mission Saturday in the newly established zone.

    Tokyo swiftly branded the move as "very dangerous." "This unilateral action constitutes an attempt to change the status quo in the East China Sea," Kerry said in a statement during a visit in Geneva.

    "Escalatory action will only increase tensions in the region and create risks of an incident."

    The outline of the zone, which is shown on the Chinese defense ministry website and a state media Twitter account, covers a wide area of the East China Sea between South Korea and Taiwan that includes airspace above the Tokyo-controlled islands known as the Senkaku to Japan and Diaoyu to China.

    "Freedom of overflight and other internationally lawful uses of sea and airspace are essential to prosperity, stability and security in the Pacific," Kerry said.

    He stressed that the United States does not support efforts to apply an air identification zone to foreign aircraft that do not intend to enter the country's national airspace. .....


    US 'deeply concerned' over China air defense zone, John Kerry says - The Times of India
     
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    well, let's read what is "air defence zone(ASZ)" first.

    1. ADZ is not established on the base of internatinal laws,but a unilaterally according to defence demand of drawing countries.

    that is why Japan established its ADZ over internatinal high sea and had its ADZ quite near the The territorial sea of RUssia and CHina.
    in fact, the boundary of Japanese ADZ is only 130 KM away from CHinese The territorial sea .

    Since Japanese can establish its ADZ over international high sea, it is obviously unfair and hypercritic to accuse CHina's ADZ over interninal highsea,which comes much late.


    2. ADZ is not based on internatinal law,but on the nation might and power.

    USA was powerful while CHina was weak so, with USA"s help, Japan can establish its ADZ along the The territorial sea of CHina..but CHina could do nothing.


    BUt now, CHina is also powerful, So CHina now can also establish its ADZ along The territorial sea airspace of Japan.....



    so, guys here, if your country have no ADZ, it is not because your country is more kind than CHina or USA ,but because your country is weaker than USA and CHina...

    PLS don pretend to be more kind than others.
     
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    Air Defense Identification Zone (North America)

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    The United States formally defines an ADIZ in the Code of Federal Regulations: 14 CFR Part 99. It extends approximately 20 miles off the national coastlines and 10 miles over land.
     
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    ADZ can be open to foreign military plane and civilian plane, on the condition that those foreign plane obey the order and management from CHina.
     
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    well, it is based on USA"s its own law, instead of internatinal law...

    In a word, ADZ is just established unilaterally ,without the support of international laws.


    the effect of ADZ is purely based on the might of establishing countries.
     
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    is that Chinese property ????
     
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    The U.S. Navy's Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations states the ADIZ applies only to commercial aircraft intending to enter U.S. sovereign airspace, with a basis in international law of "the right of a nation to establish reasonable conditions of entry into its territory".[5] The manual specifically instructs U.S. military aircraft to ignore the ADIZ of other states when operating in coastal areas:

    The United States does not recognize the right of a coastal nation to apply its ADIZ procedures to foreign aircraft not intending to enter national airspace nor does the United States apply its ADIZ procedures to foreign aircraft not intending to enter U.S. airspace. Accordingly, U.S. military aircraft not intending to enter national airspace should not identify themselves or otherwise comply with ADIZ procedures established by other nations, unless the United States has specifically agreed to do so.
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    That is right.

    However, ADIZ should apply to only commercial aircraft intending to enter China's. sovereign airspace and that does not mean SCS. which is not China's by any stretch of imagination or international law.
     
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