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Why worry about “fudging” (many provinces in China fudge down to avoid kicking money to the center) and “debt” (Chinese debt is like when your mom owes your dad, he’ll forgive it) when there are consumption figures?

The true state of the Chinese economy is the volume of cars and other stuff that Chinese people buy. Fudging and debt mean nothing unless they affect consumption. There are naked tribes in the Amazon that do not have debt and no newspapers report about “fudging” but we know from the lack of consumption that those tribes are poor as hell.
 

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Utterly moronic of you to say that. The data that supports your weird claims like your rant below is valid but the official Chinese claims that the GDP data fudging has been going for a long time "need not be justified".



I never asked for the numbers of cars China buys, no one did. You got butthurt when members pointed out the number fudging recognized officially.

So instead of reconciling with the facts that not only China cooked up numbers, the growth itself is fueled by very high debt, you came up with the "look how many cars we buy" argument.

Dude that is the very definition of a straw man.

Straw man : an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
you still do not understand what is behind the case that China's per capita auto sale show Chinese are richer than Chinese per capita nominal GDP(8K USD) suggests .

in fact ,not only auto sale,but also almost all other sales (electricity,air conditioner,washing machine,refrigerator,mobile phones,TV..etc) shows that CHinese are richer than per capita nominal GDP (8K USD)suggests.


Nobody would believe that Taiwan is richer/more advanced than Beijing/Shanghai or even tir2 cities like Hangzhou,Chengdu,if hie visit those places himselves,while Shanghai's nominal per capital GDP(17K USD) is only 2/3 of Taiwan(23K USD).

Nobody would accept that Mexcica city is even as rich/ advanced as Shanghai,if hie visit the 2 cities himselves,while Mexica city's nominal per capital GDP might be more than Shanghai(less than 20K USD).

sooo many Chinese tourists wow:'what a $hityhole it is。...... ', after they visit many per capita GDP 10-20K USD economies like Taiwan/Brazil/Mexica/Greece.






Last year, Chinese total comsumpiton evey metriced by US dolalr surpassed that in USA.....CHina now is global largest market,leaving USA the second postion.


thus, the ground reality( auto sales,infastructures,the real quality of life ) shows that China's economy is larger than GDP(13 trillion USD) suggests and Chinese is richer than its per capita GDP(8K USD) suggests.

guys ,need I claify more???

when Chinese local government to fudging local GDP for promotions, Chinese center government deliberately underrreports the GDP of China, perhaps to avoid unneccessory troubles( more donations,more duties ,more focus...etc).

if Chinese center government really wanted a better-looking data ,it can easily work out a per capita GDP of 10000+ USD for CHina with mexica-style / taiwan-style data or hindistan data.
 
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you still do not understand what is behind the case that China's per capita auto sale show Chinese are richer than Chinese per capita nominal GDP(8K USD) suggests .
Not the bloody point.

in fact ,not only auto sale,but also almost all other sales (electricity,air conditioner,washing machine,refrigerator,mobile phones,TV..etc) shows that CHinese are richer than per capita nominal GDP (8K USD)suggests.
Not the bloody point.

Nobody would believe that Taiwan is richer/more advanced than Zhejiang,if hie visit the 2 places himselves,while Zhejiang's nominal per capital GDP(15K USD) is only 2/3 of Taiwan(23K USD).
Not the bloody point.

Nobody would accept that Mexcica city is even as rich/ advanced as Shanghai,if hie visit the 2 cities himselves,while Mexica city's nominal per capital GDP might be more than Shanghai(less than 20K USD).
Not the bloody point.

Last year, Chinese total comsumpiton evey metriced by US dolalr surpassed that in USA.....CHina now is global largest market,leaving USA the second postion.
Not the bloody point.

thus, the ground reality( auto sales,infastructures,the real quality of life ) shows that China's economy is larger than GDP(13 trillion USD) suggests and Chinse is richer than its per capita GDP(8K USD) suggests.
Jesus man, consumption and debt are two entirely different things. How difficult is that for you to understand? Is there a way that I can teach you the difference, if yes, point me to the right direction?

guys ,need I claify more???

if Chinese government really wanted to boast ,it can easily work out a per capita GDP of 10000+ USD for CHina with mexica-style or taiwan-style data.
CHINA HAS BEEN BOASTING. Last two pages of this thread are precisely about that.

Your laughable attempt to muddle the waters between debt and consumerism is very amusing but NOBODY ever denied China isn't the largest consumer in the world. So was the US of A when the mountain of bad debts finally crashed and resulted in the meltdown.
 

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Not the bloody point.



Not the bloody point.



Not the bloody point.



Not the bloody point.



Not the bloody point.



Jesus man, consumption and debt are two entirely different things. How difficult is that for you to understand? Is there a way that I can teach you the difference, if yes, point me to the right direction?



CHINA HAS BEEN BOASTING. Last two pages of this thread are precisely about that.

Your laughable attempt to muddle the waters between debt and consumerism is very amusing but NOBODY ever denied China isn't the largest consumer in the world. So was the US of A when the mountain of bad debts finally crashed and resulted in the meltdown.
1.well, debt? which country lends sooooo many loans to CHina? India? or USA?
indeed it seems that China lend lots of money to india and USA,in fact.....

so,it must be that Chinese are lending money to Chinese,arn't they???

it is just as if my left pocket lend money to my right pocket.


2. do you know the relation between debt, infaltion and wealth???


what is wealth? it is not notes,not gold, not sliver,but those commodities meeting the demand of life and industry activities.

notes/gold values nothing, when there is no those commodities .

China is producing most commodities people needs in the world,so CHina is the global largest wealth-creator.
with the huge wealth-creating capacity endorsed, China can press huge RMB without inflation.


why india can not press huge money as China? because india's wealth-creating capacity is much smaller than CHina. if India press as huge money as china, hyper-inflation would appear in india

in fact, such hyperinfaltion appear in Zimbabwe.....


no country can become rich by pressing notes or domesitic debt-creating.
 
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how much wealth China created in 2016??

let's have construction industry as a example.

construction industry :China VS USA

1.in 2016,china consumed 7 billion tons of cements ,70 times more than USA ( 0.1 billion tones).


2. in 2016,yearly consumption of steel in china is 1 billion tons ,1 dozen times more than USA( less than 0.1 billion tons).

3. in 2016,10 billion square meters large houses were constructed in china last year,which is 60 times more than USA(0.188 billion square meters large)

4.besides,in 2016,china built thousands of KM long brandnew expressways/highspeed railways/bridges,while USA built nothing new.

5.however,GDP of USA’s construction industry is 800 billion USD,still more than that of China(75 billion USD.) in 2016.

the GDP of USA’ real estimate section is 2.3 trillion USD,3 times more than that of China(0.72 trillion USD)
Conclusion:

1. every square meter large new buildings(house/expressway/highspeed rail/seaport/airport) in USA brings 150 times more GDP than those ones in CHina.
but is the unit-value of new expressways/highspeed rail(if exsisted) in USA is 150 time more valuable than that in China???
lol
Frankly speaking, expressway-net/railways in USA is $hityy compared with those in China,as for quality.
only according to USA-style GDP, $hitty expressways in USA should be 150 time more valuable than brandnew ones in CHina.


2. does Chiense need such USA-style 'GDP'?
No, we need not ,we do care it.
what we need is not a good-looking data,but real wealth(house/expressway/highspeedrail/seaport/airport)
 
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1.well, debt? which country lends sooooo many loans to CHina? India? or USA?
indeed it seems that China lend lots of money to india and USA,in fact.....

so,it must be that Chinese are lending money to Chinese,arn't they???

it is just as if my left pocket lend money to my right pocket.
Excellent, now tell that to your bank when they come knocking at your door for your next EMI. Since you and your bank both are Chinese you can play pocket billiards together and live happily ever after.:crazy:

Commercial banks regardless of their ownership are profit seeking organizations. Is it really that hard for you to understand? How old are you dude?

2. do you know the relation between debt, infaltion and wealth???
Do you?

Once again you dragged India into the discussion. Boy, you love creating strawman, don't ya.

But since you have, NPA's of Indian banks are giving nightmares to the government and as a proportion to revenue collection, it is a far smaller problem than what China is facing so a recapitalization program has been initiated.

US had to the same when 2008 recession hit the floor. A massive $700 billion stimulus package was initiated to prevent banks from going under.

Talking to you feels like talking to a wall that is suffering from Down syndrome.:doh:

If you still want to drag India into the conversation, open up a new thread.
 

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Why worry about “fudging” (many provinces in China fudge down to avoid kicking money to the center) and “debt” (Chinese debt is like when your mom owes your dad, he’ll forgive it) when there are consumption figures?
I am not an expert in Economics.

But I do understand the basic consequences of both the situations.

Provincial data fudging: Usually the provinces which are generating more income(on average) than the country will try to fudge the data as they don't wanna give those extra bucks to country for wealth distribution.

So the fudged money is off the Chinese books but is still present in, say Shanghai books. This will affect in total Chinese budget allocated every year. This results in less funding of China to improve the status of, say Xinjiang province.

Due to continuous fudging, wealth gets accumulated in Shanghai province. This results in Wealth stagnation and inefficient way of spending and generating money.

Chinese Debt: In my view this is the worst of what China had seen since 1949. If the bubble bursts, then it might surpass the damages made during Great leap forward & Cultural revolution.

Chinese Debt is mostly owned by Chinese banks and most of'em are under Chinese govt control. But the money is deposited by Chinese people. Though all of the debtors may not declare bankruptcy on the same day, but one day govt will be forced to clear it(debt) off show good books make the companies profitable (with huge debts on company's back it won't be profitable or invest in innovation or reduce the cost to stay in competition nor FDI comes in; in 2016 Chinese FDI is $139 billion) when govt does this, it will not have enough money in the banks to give ot back to their population. This will force in printing of more Yuan. Which results in devaluation.

If you remember 2015 devaluation
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp....g/12/china-yuan-slips-again-after-devaluation

And the consequences.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-02...urrency-it-s-spent-400-billion-trying-save-it

Maybe another one....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chines...ne-day-drop-since-2015-devaluation-1518070593


Yuan devaluation, soon followed by Chinese dumping forex to stop the economic collapse. Due to huge dumping of China forex(mostly $$$) American dollar value decreases with sending shock waves through the rest of the world while acting as catalyst for American economic collapse.

If everyone thought of 2008 as bad, then Imagine this new recession exponentially larger. No country would survive this catastrophic economic collapse at same time.
 
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I am not an expert in Economics.

But I do understand the basic consequences of both the situations.

Provincial data fudging: Usually the provinces which are generating more income(on average) than the country will try to fudge the data as they don't wanna give those extra bucks to country for wealth distribution.

So the fudged money is off the Chinese books but is still present in, say Shanghai books. This will affect in total Chinese budget allocated every year. This results in less funding of China to improve the status of, say Xinjiang province.

Due to continuous fudging, wealth gets accumulated in Shanghai province. This results in Wealth stagnation and inefficient way of spending and generating money.

Chinese Debt: In my view this is the worst of what China had seen since 1949. If the bubble bursts, then it might surpass the damages made during Great leap forward & Cultural revolution.

Chinese Debt is mostly owned by Chinese banks and most of'em are under Chinese govt control. But the money is deposited by Chinese people. Though all of the debtors may not declare bankruptcy on the same day, but one day govt will be forced to clear it(debt) off show good books make the companies profitable (with huge debts on company's back it won't be profitable or invest in innovation or reduce the cost to stay in competition nor FDI comes in; in 2016 Chinese FDI is $139 billion) when govt does this, it will not have enough money in the banks to give ot back to their population. This will force in printing of more Yuan. Which results in devaluation.

If you remember 2015 devaluation
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp....g/12/china-yuan-slips-again-after-devaluation

And the consequences.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-02...urrency-it-s-spent-400-billion-trying-save-it

Maybe another one....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chines...ne-day-drop-since-2015-devaluation-1518070593


Yuan devaluation, soon followed by Chinese dumping forex to stop the economic collapse. Due to huge dumping of China forex(mostly $$$) American dollar value decreases with sending shock waves through the rest of the world while acting as catalyst for American economic collapse.

If everyone thought of 2008 as bad, then Imagine this new recession exponentially larger. No country would survive this catastrophic economic collapse at same time.







Excellent, now tell that to your bank when they come knocking at your door for your next EMI. Since you and your bank both are Chinese you can play pocket billiards together and live happily ever after.:crazy:

Commercial banks regardless of their ownership are profit seeking organizations. Is it really that hard for you to understand? How old are you dude?

Do you?

Once again you dragged India into the discussion. Boy, you love creating strawman, don't ya.

But since you have, NPA's of Indian banks are giving nightmares to the government and as a proportion to revenue collection, it is a far smaller problem than what China is facing so a recapitalization program has been initiated.

US had to the same when 2008 recession hit the floor. A massive $700 billion stimulus package was initiated to prevent banks from going under.

Talking to you feels like talking to a wall that is suffering from Down syndrome.:doh:

If you still want to drag India into the conversation, open up a new thread.

1. as for 'data-fudging'
in china, the promotion of governors is related to the growth of local economy. the governors would be sacked if local economy grows too slow.

for better future and promotion, some local governors like fudging data of GDP.

however,to order hand in less tax,those enterprises(espeically small enterprises) tend to underreports their revenues.

thus, the GDP released by local government is the final of such a game-playing among boasting-tending governors and tax-evading enterprises.

people here usually think those provinces (like Liaoning in northeast China) with state-owned economy mainbody of its economy have their GDP cooked while those provicces with active non-state-owned eocnomy have their GDP underrated.


2. as for tax reform and GDP-cooking
before last year, boasting cooked GDP is cheap to Chinese local governors.because Chinese center government does not collect tax on the cooked section of GDP.

but last year, the tax system reformed and Beijing start collecting tax on the cooked sections.....
thus, boasting cooked GDP becomes expensive,,no local governments would hand in tax to Beijing for 'fake GDP'

that is why soo many local governors blah 'that is all the fault of last governors.....I am innocent brave guy to expose data-cooking scandal....'


3. as for debt of Chinese government
most of debt owned by chinese government is used to invest infrastructures like highways,expressways, seaports,areports,subways,industry park....etc.
during the last decade, the value of infrastructures has kept rocketing.
as long as urbanization lasts in China, the value of those infrasturctures will keep growing.
thus, those debt invested on infrastructure is 'positive debt' ,with valuabe infrastrures as safe mortages.

4. as for 'passive debt'
the one people should pay attention is those 'passive debt',used to pay pension,salary of government employees,medical-care and expense of war

those 'passive debt' can not bring profit and always drag down the economy.


5. Chinese deals with 'government debt' much better than USA ,EU and most other countries .
during the past decade, Chinese government borrowed trillions of dollars and invested them on infrastructures,leaving global best brandnew highspeed rails,expressways,industry parks,seaports and airports,subways all over china.

USA spent borrowed trillions of dollar bombing iraq and Afghanistan,leaving nothing but millions of hurts and death.

EU spent borrowed trillions of dollar on social welfare ,hospital refugees and saving the ass of PIGs,now leaving a chaos where more and more refugees rush into EU and Greece are calling for more ass-saving aid.

Japan is spending borrrowed trillions of dollar paying the pension for its aging popualtion.

as for india....thanks for the god, India even can not borrow trillions of dollars at all.
 
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2. as for tax reform and GDP-cooking
before last year, boasting cooked GDP is cheap to Chinese local governors.because Chinese center government does not collect tax on the cooked section of GDP.

but last year, the tax system reformed and Beijing start collecting tax on the cooked sections.....
thus, boasting cooked GDP becomes expensive,,no local governments would hand in tax to Beijing for 'fake GDP'

that is why soo many local governors blah 'that is all the fault of last governors.....I am innocent brave guy to expose data-cooking scandal....'
How could they not get collected on cooked books when it is estimated by the VAT of GNP? That would mean the Central government allowed them to get away with it. If China is short on tax money all they need is to implement property tax. Of course that would kill the property market as the go to investment option but it needs to be done.
 

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How could they not get collected on cooked books when it is estimated by the VAT of GNP? That would mean the Central government allowed them to get away with it. If China is short on tax money all they need is to implement property tax. Of course that would kill the property market as the go to investment option but it needs to be done.
some sections of economic activities are free of VAT before last year.

those sections are are free of VAT but are collected with a business tax(specially for local governments).

business tax need not be handed in to Beijing ,thus it is easy for local governors to cook the data of economic activity free of VAT.


but last year,business tax was abolished and all economic activities are collected with VAT,one part of which are handed in to Beijing.

thus,the more GDP is cooked, the more VAT local governments have to hand in to Beijing.

cooking local GDP now becomes a too expensive game obviously.no one wants to pay money for data_cooking.

that is why so many local governments suddenly wow:' all are the fault of ex_governors……we are poorer than you think…'
 

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well, I found datas about the electricity consumpition(2016) all over the world.I compare it with GDP,then I find it interesting.


I always do think that the eletricity consumption can reflect the real economy scale than GDP does,because all economic activties in modern soceity depend on electricity.

modern societies are ones based on electricity.


1.China, elctricity consumption 6.14 trillion KWH, GDP 11-12 trillion USD(2nd);
2.USA, elctricity consumption 4.35 trillion KWH, GDP 17-18 trillion USD(1st);
3.india, elctricity consumption 1.40 trillion KWH, GDP 1.5-2.5 trillion USD(8th or9th?);
4.Russia, elctricity consumption 1.09 trillion KWH, GDP 1.5-2.0 trillion US(9th or 10th?);
5.Japan, elctricity consumption 1.00 trillion KWH, GDP 4.0-5.0 trillion USD(3th);
6.Canada, elctricity consumption 0.66 trillion KWH, GDP 2.0-2.5 trillion USD(7th or 8th?);
7.German, elctricity consumption 0.64 trillion KWH, GDP 3.0-4.0 trillion USD(4th);
8.Brazil, elctricity consumption 1.40 trillion KWH, GDP 1.5-2.0 trillion USD(9th or 10th?);
9.France, elctricity consumption 0.55 trillion KWH, GDP 2.5-3.0 trillion USD(5th or 6th?);
10.S.korea, elctricity consumption 0.55 trillion KWH, GDP 1.0-1.5 trillion USD(11th or 12th?);
11.UK, elctricity consumption 0.34 trillion KWH, GDP 2.5-3.0 trillion USD(5th or 6th);
12.S.Arabia,elctricity consumption 0.31 trillion KWH,
13.Italy, elctricity consumption 0.29 trillion KWH, GDP 2.0-2.5 trillion USD(7th or 8th?);
 
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well, I found datas about the electricity consumpition(2016) all over the world.I compare it with GDP,then I find it interesting.


I always do think that the eletricity consumption can reflect the real economy scale than GDP does,because all economic activties in modern soceity depend on electricity.

modern societies are ones based on electricity.


1.China, elctricity consumption 6.14 trillion KWH, GDP 11-12 trillion USD(2nd);
2.USA, elctricity consumption 4.35 trillion KWH, GDP 17-18 trillion USD(1st);
3.india, elctricity consumption 1.40 trillion KWH, GDP 1.5-2.5 trillion USD(8th or9th?);
4.Russia, elctricity consumption 1.09 trillion KWH, GDP 1.5-2.0 trillion US(9th or 10th?);
5.Japan, elctricity consumption 1.00 trillion KWH, GDP 4.0-5.0 trillion USD(3th);
6.Canada, elctricity consumption 0.66 trillion KWH, GDP 2.0-2.5 trillion USD(7th or 8th?);
7.German, elctricity consumption 0.64 trillion KWH, GDP 3.0-4.0 trillion USD(4th);
8.Brazil, elctricity consumption 1.40 trillion KWH, GDP 1.5-2.0 trillion USD(9th or 10th?);
9.France, elctricity consumption 0.55 trillion KWH, GDP 2.5-3.0 trillion USD(5th or 6th?);
10.S.korea, elctricity consumption 0.55 trillion KWH, GDP 1.0-1.5 trillion USD(11th or 12th?);
11.UK, elctricity consumption 0.34 trillion KWH, GDP 2.5-3.0 trillion USD(5th or 6th);
12.S.Arabia,elctricity consumption 0.31 trillion KWH,
13.Italy, elctricity consumption 0.29 trillion KWH, GDP 2.0-2.5 trillion USD(7th or 8th?);
Not necessarily. Populations are different, per capita consumption is different and with the coming of climate change, efforts are on to reduce consumption as much as possible (Ever saw a "turn of the lights, save energy" sticker on a switchboard?). Now with some countries switching to electric vehicles, this is going to become an even more unreliable metric.
All I am saying is that just because a country is consuming more electricity, does not mean it has a bigger economy. This is especially true for smaller countries, although for big countries, your method works to some extent.
 

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And,per capita electricity consumption do reflect the real quality of life than per capita nominal GDP does.

industiralized economies:

1.Canada,per capita elctricity consumption 20000+ KWH, per nomial GDP 50000+ USD;
2.USA, per capita elctricity consumption 14000+ KWH, per nomial GDP 50000+ USD);
3.S.Korea,per capita elctricity consumption 10000+ KWH, per nomial GDP 27000+ USD;
4.Japan,per capita elctricity consumption 8000-9000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;
5.German,per capita elctricity consumption 8000-9000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;
6.France,per capita elctricity consumption 8000-9000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;
7.Czech,per capita elctricity consumption 8000-9000 KWH, per nomial GDP 18000+ USD;
8.Russia,per capita elctricity consumption 7000-8000 KWH, per nomial GDP 8000-14000 USD;
9.UK.per capita elctricity consumption 5000-6000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;
10.Italy,per capita elctricity consumption 4500-5000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;


devoloping economies
10.china, per capita elctricity consumption 4500-5000 KWH, per nomial GDP 8000+ USD;
11.Malaysia,per capita elctricity consumption 4500-5000 KWH, per nomial GDP 9000+ USD;
11.Argentina, per capita elctricity consumption 3000-4000 KWH, per nomial GDP 12000+ USD;
11.Brazil,per capita elctricity consumption 2000-3000 KWH, per nomial GDP 10000+ USD;
12.Mexico,per capita elctricity consumption 2000-3000 KWH, per nomial GDP 8000+ USD;
13.Iran,per capita elctricity consumption 2000-3000 KWH, per nomial GDP 5000-6000+ USD;
14.Egypt,per capita elctricity consumption 1500-2000 KWH, per nomial GDP 3000+ USD;
15.Vietnam,per capita elctricity consumption 1500-2000 KWH, per nomial GDP 2000+ USD;
14.india,per capita elctricity consumption 1000-1300 KWH, per nomial GDP 1700+ USD;
15.Bangladesh,per capita elctricity consumption 500-1000 KWH, per nomial GDP 1300+ USD;

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And,per capita electricity consumption do reflect the real quality of life than per capita nominal GDP does.

industiralized economies:

1.Canada,per capita elctricity consumption 20000+ KWH, per nomial GDP 50000+ USD;
2.USA, per capita elctricity consumption 14000+ KWH, per nomial GDP 50000+ USD);
3.S.Korea,per capita elctricity consumption 10000+ KWH, per nomial GDP 27000+ USD;
4.Japan,per capita elctricity consumption 8000-9000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;
5.German,per capita elctricity consumption 8000-9000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;
6.France,per capita elctricity consumption 8000-9000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;
7.Czech,per capita elctricity consumption 8000-9000 KWH, per nomial GDP 18000+ USD;
8.Russia,per capita elctricity consumption 7000-8000 KWH, per nomial GDP 8000-14000 USD;
9.UK.per capita elctricity consumption 5000-6000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;
10.Italy,per capita elctricity consumption 4500-5000 KWH, per nomial GDP 30000+ USD;


devoloping economies
11.china, per capita elctricity consumption 4500-5000 KWH, per nomial GDP 8000+ USD;
12.Malaysia,per capita elctricity consumption 4500-5000 KWH, per nomial GDP 9000+ USD;
13.Argentina, per capita elctricity consumption 3000-4000 KWH, per nomial GDP 12000+ USD;
14.Brazil,per capita elctricity consumption 2000-3000 KWH, per nomial GDP 10000+ USD;
15.Mexico,per capita elctricity consumption 2000-3000 KWH, per nomial GDP 8000+ USD;
16.Iran,per capita elctricity consumption 2000-3000 KWH, per nomial GDP 5000-6000+ USD;

17.Egypt,per capita elctricity consumption 1500-2000 KWH, per nomial GDP 3000+ USD;
18.Vietnam,per capita elctricity consumption 1500-2000 KWH, per nomial GDP 2000+ USD;
19.india,per capita elctricity consumption 1000-1300 KWH, per nomial GDP 1700+ USD;


20.Pakistan,per capita elctricity consumption 500-1000 KWH, per nomial GDP 1500+ USD;
21.Bangladesh,per capita elctricity consumption 500-1000 KWH, per nomial GDP 1300+ USD;





thus, According to the above data

1.Generally speaking,
the more per capita consumpiton of elecrticity is ,the higher the real quality of life is, the more industrialied the country is!

2.the climate may cause some concepitons.for example, the colder ones like Russia and Canada have their rank of per capita electricity consumption higher than normal ones.

3.5000KWH seems to be the theshold of 'industrilazied economy',
only one developed economies(italy) is lower than the theshold(italy's is (4500-5000KWH)

China and Malaysia is the developing economies closest to 'industrilazed economies'.People in CHina and Malasia might enjoy the highest quality of life Among developing countries.


4.2000KWH seems to be the theshold of 'mid-income economies'.
Vietam and India are on the way to be 'mid-income economies'.

5. those less than 1000KHW must be the least industrialized eocnomies ,such as Bangladesh.
their industrializaition is still in the initial phrase.
 
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well, I found datas about the electricity consumpition(2016) all over the world.I compare it with GDP,then I find it interesting.


I always do think that the eletricity consumption can reflect the real economy scale than GDP does,because all economic activties in modern soceity depend on electricity.

modern societies are ones based on electricity.


1.China, elctricity consumption 6.14 trillion KWH, GDP 11-12 trillion USD(2nd);
2.USA, elctricity consumption 4.35 trillion KWH, GDP 17-18 trillion USD(1st);
3.india, elctricity consumption 1.40 trillion KWH, GDP 1.5-2.5 trillion USD(8th or9th?);
4.Russia, elctricity consumption 1.09 trillion KWH, GDP 1.5-2.0 trillion US(9th or 10th?);
5.Japan, elctricity consumption 1.00 trillion KWH, GDP 4.0-5.0 trillion USD(3th);
6.Canada, elctricity consumption 0.66 trillion KWH, GDP 2.0-2.5 trillion USD(7th or 8th?);
7.German, elctricity consumption 0.64 trillion KWH, GDP 3.0-4.0 trillion USD(4th);
8.Brazil, elctricity consumption 1.40 trillion KWH, GDP 1.5-2.0 trillion USD(9th or 10th?);
9.France, elctricity consumption 0.55 trillion KWH, GDP 2.5-3.0 trillion USD(5th or 6th?);
10.S.korea, elctricity consumption 0.55 trillion KWH, GDP 1.0-1.5 trillion USD(11th or 12th?);
11.UK, elctricity consumption 0.34 trillion KWH, GDP 2.5-3.0 trillion USD(5th or 6th);
12.S.Arabia,elctricity consumption 0.31 trillion KWH,
13.Italy, elctricity consumption 0.29 trillion KWH, GDP 2.0-2.5 trillion USD(7th or 8th?);
Can you post the source...

I would like to see historical yoy electricity consumption growth of India.
 

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