An asian country stole unexploded US cruise missiles from middle east ........what is copied??
nuke sub???
space craft??
1 anything illegal if u turn a gabage AC into 1 u can use?? used to be supposed to be a casino ship.....but plan changed.....any international laws or something there to prohibit the change???illegal or what???
2 the current india basically has nothing to do with indus culture....maybe pakistan does.....your offical language has become english.....
3 i dont care what u were saying....what i were saying is bollywood is a huge cultural copy of hollywood which even by name can be seen.....
4 han cant be converted....not religion.....
1) First of all know something about the languages of india...do read this:1 english is your offical language.....yes or no???simple question....
2 hollywood and bollywood.....1 has to be copy......tell me which??
3 we bought AC then the company supposed to modify that to a casino ship went bankrupted.....then the gov took it.....no matter what.....tell me which part is illegal??
4 u r the 1 bring the han conversion thing in the debate......i dont know why u did that....
1. As far as defense is concerned, no need to take moral high ground. just get the weapon, aircraft or whatever. Learn from them and don't make exact copies like China did. They leap frogged in technology while we .lived in our "indigenous" dream. Posted one sentence by senior officer from Indian Airforce asking DRDO to copy, steal or do whatever, just give them AESA radar. We could have started a joint program with Russia just like PAK-FA for replacement of Migs or ask direct help of theirs in LCA. Our future generations will curse us because we took too many things on ego. I will happily be a thief rather than loosing part of my motherland. Pakistan got nukes by hook or by crook and now India have to think twice before launchimg full scale attack even if we have strong reason like 26/11.More: Some excerpts from Businessweek
Don't fully agree. I have mentioned my points to the Chinese posters.1. As far as defense is concerned, no need to take moral high ground. just get the weapon, aircraft or whatever. Learn from them and don't make exact copies like China did. They leap frogged in technology while we .lived in our "indigenous" dream. Posted one sentence by senior officer from Indian Airforce asking DRDO to copy, steal or do whatever, just give them AESA radar. We could have started a joint program with Russia just like PAK-FA for replacement of Migs or ask direct help of theirs in LCA. Our future generations will curse us because we took too many things on ego. I will happily be a thief rather than loosing part of my motherland. Pakistan got nukes by hook or by crook and now India have to think twice before launchimg full scale attack even if we have strong reason like 26/11.
Indian Navy bombed East Pakistan in 1971? I did not know that. Do you have a source you can share for this valuable piece of information.2. Deception is key to their military strategy. China is too influenced by Sun Tzu's Art of War.
Regarding your other post about ACC of India, we are using ACC for atleast 50 years, our ACC played an important role in naval blockade, bombing in East Pakistan. during 1971. China has lot to learn as far as operating an ACCs is concerned coz is too complex to be understood within few years. As far as IAC-1 i concerned its delayed and still 45,000 tonnage will be ready by 2017 while IAC-2 will be 65,000 but many important things like whether it will be STOBAR, steam CATOBAR , aircrafts it will carry. are not yet to be finalized. So don't expect 5 working ACC before 2025 or 2030 where as China will easily build more than we could. They are thinking of nuclear powered engines and EMALS.
So our advantage regarding ACC is short, just 2 decades at max.
You will have to explain this. What is an exact copy and how do you know this? After all what look alike at the outside and what is inside is two complete different things.1. As far as defense is concerned, no need to take moral high ground. just get the weapon, aircraft or whatever. Learn from them and don't make exact copies like China did.
The Indian Navy has been operating what is now a 50 year old STOVL carrier, that operates less than 10 OBSOLETE harriers that don't even have radars. Yeah, we should be reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally scared!China will get beaten hands down. Indian Navy is operating an Aircraft Carrier since 1987, 1 more to be delivered by Russia, 3 more indigenously built over the years. And they have 10 more years to go before commission their first one, bought to be made into a floating casino.
i think the language and bollywood thing r in deed minor here so lets focus on varyag......so tell me my indian friend.....which part of reshaping a dumped AC in chinese land is illegal???there r chinese laws russian laws Ukraine laws and internatiomnal laws......which 1 which term u think had been violated???specificly.......1 of many. You want Chinese included as well? Not possible even in future. Tibet still doesnt have significant Han population.
Why one of it HAS TO BE a copy? Ever considered a world were people don't copy? I know, its a difficult concept to fathom!
Dude... its your government that you are talking about. Not some junkyard salesman!!! Normally, governments don't act so cheap and that happens to be the point.
very thorough anlysis my indian friend.....and i wanna add some more.....1. As far as defense is concerned, no need to take moral high ground. just get the weapon, aircraft or whatever. Learn from them and don't make exact copies like China did. They leap frogged in technology while we .lived in our "indigenous" dream. Posted one sentence by senior officer from Indian Airforce asking DRDO to copy, steal or do whatever, just give them AESA radar. We could have started a joint program with Russia just like PAK-FA for replacement of Migs or ask direct help of theirs in LCA. Our future generations will curse us because we took too many things on ego. I will happily be a thief rather than loosing part of my motherland. Pakistan got nukes by hook or by crook and now India have to think twice before launchimg full scale attack even if we have strong reason like 26/11.
2. Deception is key to their military strategy. China is too influenced by Sun Tzu's Art of War.
Regarding your other post about ACC of India, we are using ACC for atleast 50 years, our ACC played an important role in naval blockade, bombing in East Pakistan. during 1971. China has lot to learn as far as operating an ACCs is concerned coz is too complex to be understood within few years. As far as IAC-1 i concerned its delayed and still 45,000 tonnage will be ready by 2017 while IAC-2 will be 65,000 but many important things like whether it will be STOBAR, steam CATOBAR , aircrafts it will carry. are not yet to be finalized. So don't expect 5 working ACC before 2025 or 2030 where as China will easily build more than we could. They are thinking of nuclear powered engines and EMALS.
So our advantage regarding ACC is short, just 2 decades at max.
.....this sentence itself is problemetic.....for example in your tejas project u got many foreigners for help who did a lot of crucial things for u....your whole design....FBW...radar....engine....etc....(all the most important sub systems) were done by foreigners inside or outside india so how indigenous can that be???lived in our "indigenous" dream
Here's my opinion on it:i think the language and bollywood thing r in deed minor here so lets focus on varyag......so tell me my indian friend.....which part of reshaping a dumped AC in chinese land is illegal???there r chinese laws russian laws Ukraine laws and internatiomnal laws......which 1 which term u think had been violated???specificly.......
On December 4 of 1971, the INS Vikrant, the aircraft carrier, was also deployed in which its Hawker Sea Hawk attack aircraft contributed in Air Operations in East Pakistan. The aircraft successfully attacked many coastal towns in East Pakistan including Chittagong and Cox's Bazaar.Don't fully agree. I have mentioned my points to the Chinese posters.
Indian Navy bombed East Pakistan in 1971? I did not know that. Do you have a source you can share for this valuable piece of information.
Completely agree with your reason of No Choice. I really don't care how you get it as long as you get it.3 u said .....this sentence itself is problemetic.....for example in your tejas project u got many foreigners for help who did a lot of crucial things for u....your whole design....FBW...radar....engine....etc....(all the most important sub systems) were done by foreigners inside or outside india so how indigenous can that be???
4 i think the current situation in prc will be changed within 1-2 decades.....we copying stuff is mainly for 2 things.....1 keep up with the relatively advanced techs....2 one day no need to copy any more.......
I agree, language and bollywood are minor things as far as this topic is concerned. You should take this up with the person who brought these topics in this thread!i think the language and bollywood thing r in deed minor here so lets focus on varyag......
Sure buddy! :kiss:so tell me my indian friend.....
Nope, it did not violate any major international law. There is one when they bought it and also one more probably when they had to cross the Suez canal, but seriously, who the hell gives a damn about these anyway! Also, I dont think anybody questioned the legality of this operation in this thread atleast!which part of reshaping a dumped AC in chinese land is illegal???there r chinese laws russian laws Ukraine laws and internatiomnal laws......which 1 which term u think had been violated???specificly.......
Agreed!very thorough anlysis my indian friend.....and i wanna add some more.....
1 chinese copying military stuff is becoz a range of reasons....1 of the very paramount is we cant import some weapons we really need.....some embargo issues etc......and some russian designs have been outdated but prc cant develop some completely new ones so modifications were made based on old russian designs which in deed can be seen as copies.......but we have no choice......
Many here would be damn proud of our scientists if they would just copy the damn thing!2 chinese admit we ve done some copies which is very different than indians who refuse to admit so......
Its not completely indigenous!3 u said .....this sentence itself is problemetic.....for example in your tejas project u got many foreigners for help who did a lot of crucial things for u....your whole design....FBW...radar....engine....etc....(all the most important sub systems) were done by foreigners inside or outside india so how indigenous can that be???
That is bound to occur for sure.4 i think the current situation in prc will be changed within 1-2 decades.....we copying stuff is mainly for 2 things.....1 keep up with the relatively advanced techs....2 one day no need to copy any more.......
There are some factually incorrect statements here.The Indian Navy has been operating what is now a 50 year old STOVL carrier, that operates less than 10 OBSOLETE harriers that don't even have radars. Yeah, we should be reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally scared!
STOVL and STOBAR are two completely different beasts. The UK has been operating carriers long before you were yet they sent their naval fighter pilots and other flight deck personel to the US and France to learn CATOBAR operations anew since whatever skills they had operating CATOBAR carriers were lost. This was before they switched back to the STOVL F35B, but the point still stands.
Only a fanboy would boast about operating an ancient STOVL carrier when comparing two STOBAR carriers. The fact that one comes floating on a bed of hot air and the other flying in at over 200 mph in order to catch one of 3 arrestor wires should tell you something.
The advantage that the IN holds over the PLAN in carrier operations is considerable, yes, but its no where as significant as you seem to wish it were. In terms of operating a STOBAR carrier, even the Brazilians( who have been training PLAN personnel by the way) have more valuable skills since their carrier, being CATOBAR, is infinitely more similar in configuration.
ohh ... you do admit copying do you ?chinese admit we ve done some copies which is very different than indians who refuse to admit so......