China denies visa to top general in J&K

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  1. SHASH2K2

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    NEW DELHI: India has cancelled defence exchanges with China after Beijing refused to allow the visit of the Indian army's General Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Northern Area Command, because he was responsible for Jammu & Kashmir, a state that China maintained was disputed.

    In keeping with a practice for the past few years, the Indian defence establishment in June had began preparations for a regular high-level exchange visit to China this August by one of the top commanders of the Indian army — the northern area commander, Lt-Gen B S Jaswal.

    However, Delhi was stunned when Beijing responded to his nomination by saying that it was unwilling to "welcome" Gen Jaswal because he "controlled" a disputed area, Jammu and Kashmir.

    An angry New Delhi shot off a strongly worded demarche to Beijing, protesting its decision. Soon thereafter, India refused permission to two Chinese defence officials to come to India for a course at the National Defence College. A subsequent visit by Indian military officials to China was also cancelled by India.

    To ensure that there was no ambiguity about the reason for its annoyance, New Delhi has since also bluntly told Beijing that the unexpected decision to block Lt-Gen Jaswal's visit to China was the reason behind India's decisions.

    New Delhi found China's behaviour particularly provocative because in August 2009, Lt-Gen V K Singh, currently the Army chief and then the GOC-in-C Eastern Command, had visited China for a similar high-level exchange. If territorial sensitivity was the issue with China, then Singh's visit should have been even more problematic because, as head of the Eastern Command, he had jurisdiction over Arunachal Pradesh, a state that is claimed by China.

    The Chinese have been needling India on Kashmir for a while. Beijing refuses to paste visas on the passports of residents of J&K, and staples them instead, despite repeated protests from India. As the Indian government refuses to recognize stapled visas as valid travel documents, the upshot is that the people of J&K can't visit China.

    Beijing, in fact, also denies visas altogether to the residents of Arunachal, claiming them to be Chinese citizens. Still, it did not have any hesitation in "welcoming" Gen J J Singh as the head of the Eastern Command in May 2007. This would make it appear that Beijing was going a step further to needle New Delhi on Kashmir. New Delhi has, however, has not allowed this issue to spill over elsewhere in the bilateral ties.

    China's aggressive approach on J&K is, of course, directly connected to its close relationship with Pakistan. China- Pakistan ties is viewed to be aimed at keeping India boxed in, and this manifests itself in many different ways. In 2008, China started construction activities in PoK, which India regarded as provocative. In 2010, China announced that it would supply two nuclear reactors to Pakistan.

    Read more: China denies visa to top general in J&K - India - The Times of India China denies visa to top general in J&K - India - The Times of India
     
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  3. ajtr

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    自由西藏冰雹 .............................
     
  4. Daredevil

    Daredevil On Vacation! Administrator

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    What a bunch of morons in CCP???. They keep changing their goal posts. Its better to cut-off all niceties to these arrogant pricks.
     
  5. Rage

    Rage DFI TEAM Stars and Ambassadors

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    The Chinese can take their crap and shove it up their fvckin' ass!

    'ts Too bad we consider Tibet as 'special status'. Time for a retrospective revaluation of decision.

    They'll shore up that failed state even as they kill their engineers. Good goin' morons!
     
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    India should do the same for anyone if at all coming to India from Tibet and Xinjiang.
     
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    India already has Tibetian govt. in exile in Dharamshala.And thats the best way to needle PRC.
     
  8. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    We are peace loving people...hindi-chini bhai bhai.

    I agree with you...we should give them an eye for an eye.
     
  9. Singh

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    Ex-RAW chief Vikram Sood is suggesting the China is asserting itself, in Indian context he lists the following aggressive steps taken by China

    1. China has been assertive with India on Arunachal Pradesh by blocking the ADB loan,
    2. Has been provocative by issuing “plain paper” visas to Indians born in Jammu and Kashmir
    3. Routinely shrills about the Dalai Lama
    4. There have been increased border violations in Arunachal Pradesh — which Chinese commentators call “Southern Tibet”.
    6. Increased Chinese activities in our neighbourhood,
    7. It plans to dam the Brahmaputra
    8. Also plans to extend the Tibet rail link into Nepal
    9. The Chinese PLA had recently transported combat readiness material to PLA and Air Force units in Tibet by rail for the first time. This would further enhance the military transportation capacity, apart from the construction of more airports in Tibet.

    VIKRAM SOOD'S PERSPECTIVES...: China asserts itself

    Chellaney too, in his article published in the Sunday Guardian, suggests that China is whipping up Anti-India rhetoric.

    Lift the wraps on the Himalayan border situation - Windows Live
     
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    I reckon this was China's response to the upcoming MMS and Dalai Lama meeting. And China is also going ahead with the 2 n-reactors for Pakistan.
     
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    Increase naval activity in south china sea.I think india has pact with vietnam for naval docking.sign nuke deal with vietnam supply them brahmos and agnis-1,2,3
     
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    India has to deny entry to PRC president Hu Jintao since he was responsible for the human rights abuses and crackdown on the citizen of colonized Tibetan in the disputed Region of Tibet when he was province head.

    Hu Jintao Biography - China
     
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    what we can do while no body is thinking about nation china is playing its game and they are getting success

    they called J&K as disputed area and full support to Pakistan in all types

    china know we Indian cant fight them with half ready force, shortage of officers weapons and the worst thinking of leader for force

    first we have to make our force capable and see in the eye to eyes of Chinese

    fact is our Indian govt our force are confused and don't know how to deal Indian force has to understand they have equal duty as govt has for nation they has to make strong voice in govt
     
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    Both China and India are doing a 'good' job in needling each other.

    Fun or waste of time?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    What is the requirement to go to China?

    Or have them around here?

    Even our Chinese food is more suitable for the Indian palate since the Chinese food in China is real bland; so even that is not required.

    The tacky and flaky Chinese goods sold on Indian footpaths also need not be there since the life of such goods are quite chancey, leading to good money being wasted.

    So, leave China be and let them chug along.

    Don't let anyone from China who is from North of the Yellow River come to India, since they alone are the real Hans. The remainder are merely converted 'barbarians' as per the Han ethnology is concerned.
     
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    what are you talking about its not a about a family relation its about a nation security and you are talking about food

    don't you think china is getting successful to show J& K as disputed land and somehow we are accepting while we loss our card in Tibet china is helping Pakistan against India and try to control India in Asia

    well if you understand its about the nation future and if India want to save its proud freedom then our force must has to strong and we must have good economy

    well the fact is in future India and china will be stand against each other and no one can stop that
     
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    even though 'indi chini bhai bhai' is impossible according to sentiments on both sides. at least both shall develop a 'normal' neighbourhood relationship. I say 'normal' means a minimal level just like Sino-Japnese ties. Every time Jap.officials pay tribute to Yoshiguni Shrine, China will scream... protest... Or when China's vessels show up near Diaoyu Island..... Each understands it speaks to a domestic audience or to a '3rd party' or it's about 'face' . But the tie has never derailed since each knows the 'bottomline'. China and Japan continue to be top trading partner of each other despite trauma from time to time
     
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    Right now we gave the biggest pin pricks to China.The recent PM visit to Dalai Lama and the cult status we are giving him is pissing of the Chinese like hell.This is all Psy-ops operation and gentlemen India is much better at it.Sadly the Chinese cannot protest about other persons visiting the holy man
     
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    Neither China or India is gonna fight over a pile of rocks.From my observation of Chinese they tend to bluff others and our adminstration has understood that.The Chinese say that Dalai Lama is out of the equation in Tibetian public and despite saying that they are scared of the dalai lama.The avenues by which the Chinese are trying to protest is doing more damage to PRC.Sadly they have no more avenues than that
     
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    so I say it's about 'face' or speaking to a 3rd party - old diplomatic tricks.

    China to India: Ok MMS met HHDL ?? let u see what China can 'retaliate'

    China to Pakistan: J&K is a disputed land. see? your position is my position.


    But in fact China could have done it more sophisticatedly esp. about HHDL as a spirtual leader.
     
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    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

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    CCP has the worst PR.Killing the message is more important than killing the messenger.OHIMALAYA Iam able to slowly understand how your nations and citizens thought processes.You guys are very intelligent in some aspects where as in some aspects i simply gone for a better option
     

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