China denies building empire in Africa

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    China can deny till they turn blue in the face. However, the truth is that they are stealing the natural resources of Africa by buying up the despotic dictators and leaders of Africa.

    They are already despised by the people of Africa as so many reports indicate.
     
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    China is in Africa to basically loot.
     
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    China is in Africa to basically loot.
     
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    Exactly. And the weak and corrupt African governments will let them.
     
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    I feel sorry for the Africans. Its like an cursed continent. First exploited by Islamic caliphate, then by Europeans, then by Americans and not by Chinese.
     
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    How exactly did the Americans exploit Africa?
     
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    Typical antichina from the member here if ppl notice the investment there are in the form of building construction. Roads hospital power station. There will always complain about these thing. Remember they ask China to be there if they don't like it they can kick them out. The fact is China did not force any country into the deal
     
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    Isnt corruption a form of force? China is not that clean, everyone knows that. They force their way by corruption.
     
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    If u want talk about corruption might want look at Philippine India. Forced what way bribery? If so I would think the leader in that country share most blame. For every antichina article relate to Africa there are also ones said good thing about it. Pity ppl can only see others shortcomings and criticized. China use its soft power pretty successfuly. China is not giving cash for resources but invest much needed construction in Africa
     
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    Everyone knows that China is not in any country to develop that nation. It is there to get raw materials at cheap cost using a set of civilian issues to its advantage. Meaning, it takes more than it invests, not just profit, but a whole lot more.

    The article is very right about neo colonialism.

    Its not soft power, soft power is when you can convince a country without corruption to award a project in your favour. I take it as lack of comrehension on words in peope living in different diaspora.

    When the civil unrest breaks loose against China , preventing its projects and the anti-china sentiments in all places where China has its presence, it doesnt matter much if the leader of that country took cash or not.
     
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    No duh. They are there to trade. Whole a lot more? Source? It's call "investment ". The article is typical antichina for audiences like u
     
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    Trade: “China takes our primary goods and sells us manufactured ones."
    A whole lot more: "China has taken proprietorship of African natural resources using Chinese labor and equipment without transferring skills and technology.
    Source: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/66228-china-denies-building-empire-africa.html#post992901

    Ofcourse, when any country does screwup without regards to local disaporat it becomes that anti-visiting country. It happened to be Chinese .
     
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    Yes thats what China trade for manufacturers goods. Obvious Africa still want China investment otherwise China won't be there. Also there are many other country doing business in Africa including India. if China deals is so bad why didn't they choose other countries as partners.

    Also as for skills and tech When you buy iPhone do u expect Apple to transfer it's tech too. If they want tech they can purchase or watch and learn how China doing it. China been reversing western tech for years no one sell high Tech to them,. They did by reverse engineering it that's man of their manufacturing capability from
     
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    This is where the bribe comes in
     
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    Right. And India dont bribe. Also ur sorce of bribe?
     
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    I suggest u dig deeper rather cherry pick articles. China got the deal because it's low cost and free interest loan from it's gov.
     
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    Its low cost when you employ chinese labour, that is one source of the problem. Ofcourse if you are squeezing the blood out of host country, you can give them free interest on loans.
    Nyways... I pick articles thats neutral to get a good picture.
     
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    No u pick article that's obvious antichina. as for labor yes it's cheap but no one force them to choose China. And where is ur source of China briber all over Africa to get deal. U just counter ur own arguments by saying China deal is cheaper. As for squeeze lol seriously China buying resources everywhere not just Africa. If deal is bad the host will choose other investors
     
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    The actual colonizers(panicking over the loss of their ill-begotten African resources) are calling Sino-African trade "neo-colonialism, how quaint..

    Thank you for your usual neutral reporting of western conventional "wisdom" on China.

    Anyone who would like an expert's (ie a qualified academic scholar who's carried out years of data collection IN AFRICA, on China) take of the China-Africa relations and trade, what this intelligence squared debate:

    [video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLE7865CD7C141D230&v=qHEpsXmmD48[/video]

    A link to the full debate:

    https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE7865CD7C141D230

    1. China has contributed more towards poverty alleviation, industrialization, and desperately needed infrastructure development than the Europe or the United States in the past decade. Who BTW have been militarily and economically colonizing parts of Africa from the 1800's to the present day.

    2. Polls of African opinion on China reflect a generally positive view, comparable to opinion figures on The US etc circa 70% +. So I don't know where you get your "Chinese are despised by Africans". China has improved African economic performance more than any other foreign investor in the past decade.

    So forgive me if I find your articles and assertions a tad one-sided and lacking informational depth.





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