China demands an apology from Norway for Liu Xiaobo nobel peace prize

[badguy2000]

well,

in fact , it is a collision between two game rules:


the current game ruled formulated by west countries is that :

"Norway government need not be responsible to the action of Nobel prize,although it is a NGO in Norway"

CHina's game rule is that :
" Norway government should be responsible to any thing in Norway".


when non-west countries were not powerful enough, West countries has take it granted that any game rule formulated by them should never be challanged and naturly accepted by non-west countries.


however, now CHina is powerful enough,so CHina dóesn't buy west's game rule and talk to Norway(in fact , to all west world): "I don't buy your game rule now, and you should accept my game rule".


So,China's demand in fact is a deed to overthrow the game rule formulated by west countries.


By now, it should be a first time that the game rule formulated by west countries be challenged by a non-Chrismas country .



haha.

If China can force Norway government to accept CHina's demand with its economy clout, then all west countries (except USA) would learn how to manage their NGO.

in fact, it is a warning to all west countries( Except USA, because USA is powerful enough to reject it) that :

" It is time for CHina to reformulate the game rule, and you west countries should accept the game rule formulated by CHina"

 

[AOE]

Sure, because apparently the Chinese are dense enough to think that the Norwegian government should be authoritarian like the CCP and arrest/kill members of the Nobel Prize committee for giving a prize to a Chinese who wants freedom for his own people, and I applaud the committee for giving him this prize. Up until this point, the Nobel Peace Prize committee often gave prizes in the last 50 years to candidates who did not deserve them, and often gave them for political reasons; so I'm not saying the committee is perfect, but for once it did something right.

 

[Ray]

The essence and core of a democracy is that there is NO 'managing'.

Everyone is free to do what they want without violating the law of the country or wanting to 'manage' others.

The word 'NGO' stands for Non Governmental Organisation. If non governmental and if the Govt then 'manages' such an organisation, it stops being 'Non Governmental' and instead becomes 'Governmental'!

Thus, contradictory in effect!

So, the first lesson to be learnt by China is that the rest of the world cannot be China, where everything from 'womb to tomb' is under governmental orders and everyone is 'governmental' including the people and their minds!

 

[badguy2000]

The essence and core of a democracy is that there is NO 'managing'.

Everyone is free to do what they want without violating the law of the country or wanting to 'manage' others.

The word 'NGO' stands for Non Governmental Organisation. If non governmental and if the Govt then 'manages' such an organisation, it stops being 'Non Governmental' and instead becomes 'Governmental'!

Thus, contradictory in effect!

So, the first lesson to be learnt by China is that the rest of the world cannot be China, where everything from 'womb to tomb' is under governmental orders and everyone is 'governmental' including the people and their minds!

the first lesson to be learnt by west countries is that China would be the dominant force in the world in decade and they had better get used to the game rule formulated by CHina.

 

[Ray]

the first lesson to be learnt by west countries is that China would be the dominant force in the world in decade and they had better get used to the game rule formulated by CHina.

Good luck to China.

However, they are mistaken if they think that the world citizens are spineless and robotic as the Chinese.

Seen how even the Muslim nations, who for the sake of their religion, do not cause upheavals, have shaken that image of Muslim people!

Even such disciplined people, who obey their govt and Sultans, are no longer taking nonsense from anyone!!

Think about how the others will react if they are ordered to be robots!

As far as being dominant nation, there is an English saying - there is many a slip between cup and lip!!

 

[tarunraju]

I think it's good that China is standing up to the west. It should not be considered "whining". The west will never fully understand the east beyond trade. If we don't support China's tough stand, like someone said, only what the west thinks will be considered "world order", while the east will be considered a voiceless backwash. Tomorrow, the same people might award Nobel to the likes of Geelani or that attention whore Arundathi Roy, if India starts feeling independent from western policies, which China is just starting to. Again, anyone with half a brain in either India or China should realise the value of a strong east.

 

[AOE]

the first lesson to be learnt by west countries is that China would be the dominant force in the world in decade and they had better get used to the game rule formulated by CHina.

Chinas 'dominance' is not guaranteed, their growth is unsustainable from an economic and environmental point of view, and their defense technology is not comparable with the US or even Europe. They also lack major diplomatic relations, indeed they have few long term friends. Most people on the planet would certainly not like to see an aggressive communist super power, as it would bring back the days of the Cold War.

 

[Ray]

Even if Geelani gets the Nobel Prize and he is ignored in India, how will Geelani make any difference.

China has messed up the Liu Xiaobo case by taking cognisance of the man and his award by arresting him and his family, preventing him from going to take the prize and warning nations.

If they has merely taken the Punjabi attitude of 'Sade Vallo....', then there would not be such a hoop la.

 

[AOE]

I think it's good that China is standing up to the west. It should not be considered "whining". The west will never fully understand the east beyond trade. If we don't support China's tough stand, like someone said, only what the west thinks will be considered "world order", while the east will be considered a voiceless backwash. Tomorrow, the same people might award Nobel to the likes of Geelani or that attention whore Arundathi Roy, if India starts feeling independent from western policies, which China is just starting to. Again, anyone with half a brain in either India or China should realise the value of a strong east.

It's just a prize that has lost much of its credibility in the last few decades, because many of the winners of this prize have been given one for political reasons, and to threaten force in retaliation for this is rather block-headed.

 

[mattster]

I think it's good that China is standing up to the west. It should not be considered "whining". The west will never fully understand the east beyond trade. If we don't support China's tough stand, like someone said, only what the west thinks will be considered "world order", while the east will be considered a voiceless backwash. Tomorrow, the same people might award Nobel to the likes of Geelani or that attention whore Arundathi Roy, if India starts feeling independent from western policies, which China is just starting to. Again, anyone with half a brain in either India or China should realise the value of a strong east.

Yo.........in case you forgot - Your problem isnt the "East versus the West". Your problem is your immediate Eastern buddies (China and Pak) colluding in a proxy war against you for the last 50 years.

So now you want to join hands with the Chinamen (who never lose an oppurtunity to f*ck India over in every single aspect of international relations) against the West ?? This is too comedic !!

Anyway......the Nobel is a privately awarded prize. it has nothing to do with the government of Norway. The committee gives it to whoever they see fit without consulting the government of Norway or any other political body - a concept that those morons in China will never get in their heads.

 

[chanikya]

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about India.

Like when the Indian government kept pleading for China to be "more sensitive" to their concerns.

india is the country which china fears lot. u can even save ur merchant ship, and we saved it that is india.

china is a big building based on single weak pillar and going to colapse soon.

there is inside war going in china which is hidden from most of china due to media and other restrictions , see the colapse of china soon.

 

[nimo_cn]

Whether China is gonna get the apology she demanded is really irrelevant here. Do you really believe CPC takes an apology from Norway seriously? No, what China wants is to be heard.

When an Indian forum is stired up by that demand, it means China has achieved what she planned by bringing up the Nobel prize issue again. China needs to demonstrate to the westerners that she is not happy with they messing up with Chinese internal affairs.

I can't say they will stop doing the same thing( awarding another Liu Xiaobo) to China in the future, I am sure they won't. But if China didn't stand up against these western hypocrites this time, it will only encourage them to do more. China is doing the right thing by voicing her unhappiness when being offended by others, China should warn them that there will be consequences.

Next time when they plan to award another Chinese dissident, they are gonna give it a second thought. That second thought may not stop them from doing that, but it is still a second thought.

 

[nitesh]

Whether China is gonna get the apology she demanded is really irrelevant here. Do you really believe CPC takes an apology from Norway seriously? No, what China wants is to be heard.

When an Indian forum is stired up by that demand, it means China has achieved what she planned by bringing up the Nobel prize issue again. China needs to demonstrate to the westerners that she is not happy with they messing up with Chinese internal affairs.

I can't say they will stop doing the same thing( awarding another Liu Xiaobo) to China in the future, I am sure they won't. But if China didn't stand up against these western hypocrites this time, it will only encourage them to do more. China is doing the right thing by voicing her unhappiness when being offended by others, China should warn them that there will be consequences.

Next time when they plan to award anther Chinese dissident, they are gonna give it a second thought. That second thought may not stop them from doing that, but it is still a second thought.

Interesting, so you are saying that all this noise is only hot air, and will not be backed up by any action. then will it not decrease the credibility of China in international circuit?

 

[nimo_cn]

india is the country which china fears lot.

Says who?

u can even save ur merchant ship, and we saved it that is india.

Chinese navy were far away from the merchant ship when it was abducted by the pirates, hence asked for help from other navies nearby the Chinese ship. India wasn't the only party which were involved in it, it was a joint rescue by Turkey, US and India. But I do appreciate for the help India has offered in this incident, and I hope Chinese navy will return that favor in the future.

china is a big building based on single weak pillar and going to colapse soon.

there is inside war going in china which is hidden from most of china due to media and other restrictions , see the colapse of china soon.

If you are wishing China to collapse due to internal conflicts so that India will surpass China, instead of thinking how to improve your country, I can tell you, 50 years from now my grandchildren are gonna have the same conversation with your grandchildren as we are having now.

 

[nimo_cn]

Interesting, so you are saying that all this noise is only hot air, and will not be backed up by any action. then will it not decrease the credibility of China in international circuit?

China has taken actions against Norway by freezing economical cooperation with Norway, this demand is more like a PR, to let the world know that China is doing something to Norway, and will do further if China thinks it is necessary.

 

[lurker]

China has taken actions against Norway by freezing economical cooperation with Norway, this demand is more like a PR, to let the world know that China is doing something to Norway, and will do further if China thinks it is necessary.

A louder voice attracts louder criticism.

 

[Ray]

Whether China is gonna get the apology she demanded is really irrelevant here. Do you really believe CPC takes an apology from Norway seriously? No, what China wants is to be heard.

When an Indian forum is stired up by that demand, it means China has achieved what she planned by bringing up the Nobel prize issue again. China needs to demonstrate to the westerners that she is not happy with they messing up with Chinese internal affairs.

I can't say they will stop doing the same thing( awarding another Liu Xiaobo) to China in the future, I am sure they won't. But if China didn't stand up against these western hypocrites this time, it will only encourage them to do more. China is doing the right thing by voicing her unhappiness when being offended by others, China should warn them that there will be consequences.

Next time when they plan to award another Chinese dissident, they are gonna give it a second thought. That second thought may not stop them from doing that, but it is still a second thought.

Don't mind my post, but it is quite tiresome to read Pollyannaish tripe attempting to whitewash a childish behaviour that does not behove a government that claims to be responsible.

Your argument is in the similar vein of forced justification as would if Pakistan had said that the raid by the US on Osama's hideout was actually done because Pakistan's was testing the efficiency of the US SEAL team!!

Actually, neither Norway or the world would take note of the fact that China wants to be heard because it is not earth shattering an event.

It is more like a wail in the wilderness.

It would be extraordinary that you wish people to believe that China does not expect Norway to take its cry for an apology seriously. Are you suggesting that the Chinese leadership is daft?

Even the countries that have commercial interest with China will rise to the plaintive bleat of China.

The Indian Forum is not stirred, but merely shaken by the stupidity of the whole issue. Incredibly stupid is what they feel and they are not laughing with, but laughing at China for its moronic wish that someone hears their wail.

Frankly, this forum is incredulous at the childishness of the demand. Hence, this thread. It is by no means a token of recognition by this forum of the Chinese childish behaviour bordering on stupidity. International interaction is not kindergarten piques! This forum is merely registering its wonderment.

China has demonstrated nothing to the West or the Man in Moon, by this childlike tantrum. So disabuse yourself of any such grandiose thoughts.

China warning? Do you think anyone cares a tuppence? Warn? You must be joking. Now, what will China do if the world laughs at this childish game of 'warning'. Pray, what are the consequences? You will attack the West? You are turning out to be real paper tigers!

Next time they give the Nobel to another dissident, they will not even have a second thought. Their first thought, as it was this time, would be sufficient.

May I request you to post coherently and not some electrical disturbances from your brain devastated mind where the axons and neuron are not out of harmony.


BTW, has Norway collapsed since you claim that China has undertaken sanctions?
Do not display a brain equivalent of a starfish or a jellyfish.

 

[johnee]

Interesting, so you are saying that all this noise is only hot air, and will not be backed up by any action. then will it not decrease the credibility of China in international circuit?

Nope, on the contrary, it is the award that becomes controversial and hence loses credibility. China has made a start, another country may follow similar approach in future. Right now, China seems alone, but more can voice same opinions in future. Given the decline of european countries in world order, they need such 'weapons' to influence the world. If these 'weapons' are discredited, they return to their natural place in world hierarchy(swatting at the bottom).

 

[Ray]

It will take a long time for Rolls Royce to get discredited.

Likewise for the Nobel Prize.

Anything that is subjective comes under criticism.

Very few things in life are totally objective.

 

[nimo_cn]

A louder voice attracts louder criticism.

That is true. Silence may be the easy way out, but the only way to stop them is confronting them. Maybe it won't work this time, but it is gonna work if we keep trying.

@Ray

Norway won't collapse after China has undertaken actions, no one said it will. But so what? Should we sit tight, waiting for another similar episode against China? China chose to endure those constant provocations in the past because China was too weak to make any significant resistance, but that doesn't mean we will tolerate them for ever.

Unless we burst out, shall we be perished in silence.