China : Curfew in Sichuan : 11 Tibetans Die in Police Firing

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U can dont accept our history for now, but we will force ur grand sons or grand grand sons to believe it.
Now, guess who is dreaming?!

老(lǎo)驥(jì)伏(fú)櫪(lì), 志(zhì)在(zài)千(qiān)里(lǐ)(old+thoroughbred+hidden+stable,determined+be+thousand+distance (unit))
Literally: The old horse in the stable still yearns to run 1000 miles 1.
Moral: Everybody, no matter the inexperience, yearns to achieve great deeds.
 

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U can dont accept our history for now, but we will force ur grand sons or grand grand sons to believe it.


You proved it!

Another example how the Chinese fabricate history by forcing people (like the Tibetans and the Uighurs, Yis and other 'barbarians') to believe the tommy rot that the Hans spin as history!!
 

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U can dont accept our history for now, but we will force ur grand sons or grand grand sons to believe it.
Wow, you really are incapable of making an argument without shooting yourself in the foot.
 

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a better question that should be raised is why do the mods allow this niceguy to troll on dfi ???

he has been banned 3 times before for trolling and always will indulge in it.

"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"

i wonder what is for fool me thrice ?
 

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Your amazing brain must have some incredible ability to connect "dots" cause this is what he said:

If Tibetans don't like their lives right now, they can burn themselves (or win the fight with Hans).
and now you understand why people call you hypocrite when you cry about Nanjing.

And your own conclusion:
Singh drew parallels with Chinas invasion of Tibet and imposition of the cultural revolution and the subsequent killing and torture of Tibetains to Japanese invasion of China and the subsequent atrocities he was right in pointing out your hypocrisy when you ask apology from Japan.


Can your incredible brain tell me where did he mention the cultural revolution and torture of Tibetans? By the way what does that got to do with current situation? :rolleyes:
You do know that the tibetan red guards were natives, right? oh, right you didnt know...

Ignorance is a bliss.

I dont approve the handling of Tibet issue by the local government. But i know the difference between that and the Japanese invasion. Unlike ignorant kid like you.

Have fun with the thread.
Stuff like cultural revolution, genocide etc., go unimplied because when he drew parallels with invasions of both issues then he also drew parallels with the war crimes..which is part of that, how can you talk of only invasion and not war crime, when your discussing of torture and killing of Tibetans just like Nanjing or do they talk in separate and disconnected terms for all issues in China?

What a stupid reply, seriously are you mental patient?
 
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I dont approve the handling of Tibet issue by the local government. But i know the difference between that and the Japanese invasion. Unlike ignorant kid like you.
Iceberg

You don't know the difference between the so called Nanking Massacre and the Tibetan Massacre.

The Nanking Massacre was highlight by western interest to do Japan down which was a danger to them!

Therefore, it is not black and white. It is grey!
 

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The Chinese hate the Japanese and thirst for their blood because of WW2 atrocities that killed thousands.
The Chinese adore and venerate a lunatic called Mao because of the Great leap and cultural revolution that killed millions.

No one sees the irony in that? Are the Chinese delusional? Or just plain stupid and brainwashed?
 

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The Chinese hate the Japanese and thirst for their blood because of WW2 atrocities that killed thousands.
The Chinese adore and venerate a lunatic called Mao because of the Great leap and cultural revolution that killed millions.

No one sees the irony in that? Are the Chinese delusional? Or just plain stupid and brainwashed?
to be fair if outsider does it then it is worse because it is done by an outsider.

this mentality is same all over the world
 

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Iceberg

You don't know the difference between the so called Nanking Massacre and the Tibetan Massacre.

The Nanking Massacre was highlight by western interest to do Japan down which was a danger to them!

Therefore, it is not black and white. It is grey!
Sir is he that stupid or is he pretending to be stupid or both?
 

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I dont need grammar lessons from a CCP funded troll who is probably forced to learn it, get it kid!

There is no communist society anymore since Maos cultural pillage because it is an unworkable and impractical bundle of crap but however your hypocritical CCP claims or calls itself communist, do you deny that or do you have the balls to say down with the CCP?

To say Tibetans should burn themselves to death and then cry fowl at Japanese invasion of China is total ludicrous.
Ray is the member here who brought the unrelated subject of Japanese invasion,,, Please give us a break
 

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Atrocities being justified with reason is hardly unrelated.

Please check Niceguy's post that states Tibetans want to die!

Here is the nub - To say Tibetans should burn themselves to death and then cry fowl at Japanese invasion of China is total ludicrous.

Being so inhuman required a suitable enjoinder.

Now, if you want a break voluntarily, it can always be given.

We always like to please our posters!
 
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Ray is the member here who brought the unrelated subject of Japanese invasion,,, Please give us a break
First of it wasnt Ray but Singh who brought it up and it is justified to draw parallels between two invasions, we all only realizes something is bad when it happens to us.. So when did not like Japanese invasion then its only right that Tibetans dont like China forceing them to follow its way.
 

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The Chinese hate the Japanese and thirst for their blood because of WW2 atrocities that killed thousands.
The Chinese adore and venerate a lunatic called Mao because of the Great leap and cultural revolution that killed millions.

No one sees the irony in that? Are the Chinese delusional? Or just plain stupid and brainwashed?
Many Chinese now awaken, finally understand that CCP did little to defend the nation against Japanese, and finally understand that Mao have kill millions of Chinese just like the Japanese. 3 Years of Great Leap forward kill 30 millions people = 8 years of Japanese Invasion that kill 30 millions people

Although I do agree that outsider invasion draw more hatred than insider massacre. I believe that it also should and need to be that way.
 
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First of it wasnt Ray but Singh who brought it up and it is justified to draw parallels between two invasions, we all only realizes something is bad when it happens to us.. So when did not like Japanese invasion then its only right that Tibetans dont like China forceing them to follow its way.
The Chinese will claim that they are not imperialist like Japan.

And China always had Tibet as a part of the China.

However, this will show the unmitigated imperialism of the Hans over other parts of what they conquered and called China having assimilated the 'barbarians'.

One wonders who are the barbarians!

 

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The Chinese have been imperialist throughout history.

And hegemonic.

Their lust for territories has still not been satiated!

And their concocting history to suit their convenience is legend!
 

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Many Chinese now awaken, finally understand that CCP did little to defend the nation against Japanese, and finally understand that Mao have kill millions of Chinese just like the Japanese. 3 Years of Great Leap forward kill 30 millions people = 8 years of Japanese Invasion that kill 30 millions people
Dont quote absurd numbers, the Japanese did not kill 30 million, they did not kill even a million, more likely, under 100,000.

Total WW2 casualties was 60 million and you come with you wisdom and say the Japs killed 30 million Chinese, my foot.
 

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Many Chinese now awaken, finally understand that CCP did little to defend the nation against Japanese, and finally understand that Mao have kill millions of Chinese just like the Japanese. 3 Years of Great Leap forward kill 30 millions people = 8 years of Japanese Invasion that kill 30 millions people

Although I do agree that outsider invasion draw more hatred than insider massacre. I believe that it also should and need to be that way.


Mao killed no one!

It was the fools who killed.

He only enunciated an idea, but then the brainwashed Chinese thought that it was an order.

Don't blame Mao for being stupid!

And the Japanese could not have killed what you claim!

The stories of their massacre, as per many, are mere fabrication of the Chinese and was used by the western powers to suit their convenience!
 
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Dont quote absurd numbers, the Japanese did not kill 30 million, they did not kill even a million, more likely, under 100,000.

Total WW2 casualties was 60 million and you come with you wisdom and say the Japs killed 30 million Chinese, my foot.
R. J. Rummel estimates the civilian victims at 5,424,000. Detailed by country: China 3,695,000; Indochina 457,000; Korea 378,000; Indonesia 375,000; Malaya-Singapore 283,000; Philippines 119,000, Burma 60,000 and Pacific Islands 57,000. Rummel estimates POW deaths in Japanese custody at 539,000 Detailed by country: China 400,000; French Indochina 30,000; Philippines 27,300; Netherlands 25,000; France 14,000; UK 13,000; UK-Colonies 11,000; US 10,700; Australia 8,000.[8][56]
Werner Gruhl estimates the civilian victims at 20,365,000. Detailed by country: China 12,392,000; Indochina 1,500,000; Korea 500,000; Dutch East Indies 3,000,000; Malaya and Singapore 100,000; Philippines 500,000; Burma 170,000; Forced laborers in Southeast Asia 70,000, 30,000 interned non-Asian civilians; Timor 60,000; Thailand and Pacific Islands 60,000.[57] Gruhl estimates POW deaths in Japanese captivity at 331,584. Detailed by country: China 270,000; Netherlands 8,500; U.K. 12,433; Canada 273; Philippines 20,000; Australia 7,412; New Zealand 31; and the United States 12,935[57]
The historian Chalmers Johnson has written that "the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese[58]
Out of "60,000" Indian Army POWs taken at the Fall of Singapore, 11,000 died in captivity[59]
 

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Dont quote absurd numbers, the Japanese did not kill 30 million, they did not kill even a million, more likely, under 100,000.

Total WW2 casualties was 60 million and you come with you wisdom and say the Japs killed 30 million Chinese, my foot.
R. J. Rummel estimates the civilian victims at 5,424,000. Detailed by country: China 3,695,000; Indochina 457,000; Korea 378,000; Indonesia 375,000; Malaya-Singapore 283,000; Philippines 119,000, Burma 60,000 and Pacific Islands 57,000.

Rummel estimates POW deaths in Japanese custody at 539,000 Detailed by country: China 400,000; French Indochina 30,000; Philippines 27,300; Netherlands 25,000; France 14,000; UK 13,000; UK-Colonies 11,000; US 10,700; Australia 8,000.[8][56]

Werner Gruhl estimates the civilian victims at 20,365,000. Detailed by country: China 12,392,000; Indochina 1,500,000; Korea 500,000; Dutch East Indies 3,000,000; Malaya and Singapore 100,000; Philippines 500,000; Burma 170,000; Forced laborers in Southeast Asia 70,000, 30,000 interned non-Asian civilians; Timor 60,000; Thailand and Pacific Islands 60,000.[57] Gruhl estimates POW deaths in Japanese captivity at 331,584. Detailed by country: China 270,000; Netherlands 8,500; U.K. 12,433; Canada 273; Philippines 20,000; Australia 7,412; New Zealand 31; and the United States 12,935[57]

The historian Chalmers Johnson has written that "the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese[58]
Out of "60,000" Indian Army POWs taken at the Fall of Singapore, 11,000 died in captivity[59]

If you include the people who indirectly killed by Japanese because of the Invasion, then 30 million number justified.
 
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