China Counterfeit Parts in U.S. Military Aircraft

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    [h=1]China Counterfeit Parts in U.S. Military Aircraft[/h] By Tony Capaccio - - Tue Nov 08 16:05:24 Tue Nov 08 16:05:24 GMT 2011




    Dozens of suspected counterfeit parts have been installed on U.S. defense equipment from Raytheon Co. (RTN), L-3 Communications Holdings Inc. (LLL) and Boeing Co. (BA), including aircraft deployed to Afghanistan.

    The Senate Armed Services Committee found counterfeit parts -- usually from China -- on at least seven aircraft, including the Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) C-130J transport plane, Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol and L-3 27J Spartan transport.
    “Suspect electronic parts from China were installed on military systems and subsystems that were manufactured by Raytheon Co., L-3 Communications and Boeing,” said a memo from the committee’s staff, released yesterday before a hearing today.
    “There is a flood of counterfeits and it is putting our military men and risk and costing us a fortune,” committee Chairman Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said. None of the examples found by the committee were connected to lives lost or dramatic failures causing an aircraft crash, and the companies involved cooperated with the investigation, he said.
    China supports the fight against counterfeit goods, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a briefing today in Beijing.
    “China’s government is actively promoting cooperation in fighting fake or counterfeit goods with relevant authorities in other countries and such efforts are welcome,” Hong said.
    [h=2]Deployed Aircraft[/h] Separately, the Pentagon’s Defense Criminal Investigative Service is investigating about 40 cases involving various counterfeit items, Assistant Pentagon Inspector General for Investigative Operations James Ives said in an e-mail. The agency is conducting 225 investigations “involving potentially defective or substandard parts and components,” he said.
    “The cases may involve counterfeits or improperly made parts,” Ives said.
    Two new L-3 Air Force C-27J Spartans deployed to Afghanistan have displays with suspect parts, according to the committee. L3’s Integrated Systems unit notified the Air Force on Sept. 19 that 38 suspect video memory chips were installed in the display units on eight of the first 11 aircraft delivered.
    The L-3 unit that made the displays learned of the suspect memory chips in November 2010, the memo said. The committee traced the chips to Hong Dark Electronic Trade in Shenzhen, China, which also delivered an earlier counterfeit part L-3 discovered in October 2009, it said.
    [h=2]Cockpit Displays[/h] The display units are made by L-3 Communications Display Systems and provide pilots with diagnostic data including engine status, fuel usage, location and warning messages.
    The C-27J displays were among more than 500 containing suspect Chinese parts sold to the Air Force, Navy and defense contractors for installation also on C-130J and C-17 transport and Marine Corps CH-46 helicopters, the memo said.
    “Failure of the memory chip could cause a display unit to show a degraded image, lose data or even go blank,” the memo said.
    L-3 Vice President Ralph Denino, in a prepared statement to the committee, said “there has been no discernible effect” on the aircraft. The company “will take whatever corrective action its customer requests and the current remedy is to replace the chips during normal scheduled depot maintenance unless a failure occurs for any reason that would necessitate immediate repairs,” he said.
    [h=2]Serious Problem[/h] Arizona Senator John McCain, the senior Republican on the Armed Services Committee, said the origin of the counterfeits is cloaked by passing them through a chain of three or four sham companies.
    China “should be more vigilant,” he said today in an interview on Bloomberg TV. “They know where it comes from.”
    “The fact that defective parts are in aircraft that are deployed in Afghanistan is evidence of the seriousness of the problem,” Levin said in an e-mail to Bloomberg News.
    The Senate committee’s investigative staff amassed a database with 1,800 cases of counterfeiting totaling about 1 million parts. It scrutinized 100 cases and found that 70 percent of the suspect parts were traced to Chinese firms, according to the memo.
    “Nearly 20 percent of the remaining cases were tracked to the United Kingdom and Canada -- known resale points for counterfeit electronic parts from China,” it said.
    [h=2]Tighter Rules[/h] The panel is considering ways to tighten rules against the counterfeits, Levin told reporters, including requiring the defense contractors to pay for replacing the parts with genuine items.
    “There’s a lot of possibilities here,” Levin said. “Right now, there is ambiguity in some of the contracts,” he said. “It depends on some extent as to the wording of the contract, whether it is cost-plus or fixed price,” he said.
    Legislation “will force contractors to tell” their subcontractors and their subcontractor’s suppliers that they need to make sure the parts being sold are legitimate, he said.
    “If you out the onus on all of our contractors they will get that message back to their suppliers as well,” he said.
    To contact the reporter on this story: Tony Capaccio in Washington at [email protected]
    To contact the editor responsible for this story: Mark Silva at [email protected]

    China Counterfeit Parts in U.S. Military Aircraft - Bloomberg
     
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    I would require the defense contractors to be shot, but that's just me. But seriously, we can't ban those contractors or cancel the contracts, realistically. The risk is that the Chinese parts, especially computer chips, are programmed to fail. People in our defense system did this out of greed. They should go to jail.


    Does anybody believe that? Anybody?

    (I "liked" the article, but I didn't like reading it!)
     
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    China Does Nothing to Stop Counterfeit Defense Parts

    By Colin Clark

    Published: March 26, 2012

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    CAPITOL HILL: "These findings should outrage every American."

    Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, is a tough former prosecutor but he rarely offers such sweeping condemnations as he did today when releasing the findings of a congressional sting operation designed to test whether China had changed its ways and had started combating counterfeit defense parts.

    "The Chinese government's refusal to shut down counterfeiting that occurs openly in their country puts our national security and the safety of our military men and women at risk. Not only that, but it also costs thousands of American jobs," Levin said in a statement.

    The sting was run by investigators from the Government Accountability Office (GAO). They bought parts for the Air Force's F-15 fighter, the Maverick missile, the Marine Corps' V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft, and the Navy's Los Angeles-class nuclear submarine. All the parts bought "failed inspection and were determined to be counterfeit."

    One part bought by GAO was an amplifier used found in the Army and Air Force's Joint Surveillance and Target Attack Radar System, the Air Force's F-15 fighter, and the Maverick AGM-65A missile. It's designed to convert incoming voltage into outputs that can be hundreds to thousands of times higher. If they fail that could cripple a subsystem, the GAO found.

    Visual inspection of these parts found inconsistencies "which suggested that samples were re- marked. Scanning electron microscopy (SEM) analysis revealed further evidence of re-marking. X-ray fluorescence (XRF) testing of the samples revealed that the leads contain no lead (Pb) instead of the 3 percent lead (Pb) required by military specifications," the GAO report says.

    The report, written by government auditors, contains an important caveat, one that will be ignored by almost everyone involved except, probably, the Chinese: "The results of this investigation are based on the use of a nongeneralizable sample, and these results cannot be used to make inferences about the extent to which parts are being counterfeited." Now that we've got that out of the way...

    "The Chinese government won't act to stop counterfeiting carried out in their country," Levin said. "Since China won't act, we must. It is critical that Treasury and the Department of Homeland Security implement the authorities we gave them in the National Defense Authorization Act to stop counterfeit parts before they enter the country. There is too much at stake for us to delay."

    The SASC added language to last year's defense policy bill aimed at curbing the purchase of counterfeit parts, but Levin and his ranking member, Sen. John McCain, clearly think more needs to be done.

    At a November hearing on the issue of counterfeit parts, the GAO found that counterfeit parts were discovered on at least seven aircraft, including two C-27J aircraft deployed to Afghanistan, Boeing's new P-8A anti-submarine and ISR aircraft, as well as some of Lockheed Martin's C-130Js.

    "So long as this threat persists, we must continue to take steps, such as the ones Senator Levin and I legislated in last year's defense bill, to prevent counterfeits from harming our troops and undermining our weapons systems," McCain said in a statement.

    The Pentagon said in November that it would have a new policy aimed at counterfeit parts out sometime this month.

    China Does Nothing to Stop Counterfeit Defense Parts; Findings 'Should Outrage Every American'
     
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    Yahi hoga jab defense ka kam bhi outsource karoge... wo bhi china..
     
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    its part of chinese strategy, put sub-par component inside US military weapon ;) /sarcasm_off
     
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    It is just like blaming chinese because some american bank robbers are using weapons made in china.

    Obviously, it is not those chinese to knock the door of pentagon to offer counterfeit defence parts. Instead, it is some americans coming to china seeking these parts to lower their costs.
     
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    BBC News - China fake parts 'used in US military equipment'
     
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    Counterfeiting industry is an indispensable organ of Chinese economy.
     
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    Report uncovers counterfeit Chinese parts in US military planes

    A US Senate report has found more than a million electronic parts in US military aircraft may be Chinese counterfeits.

    The Senate Armed Services Committee report uncovered 1,800 cases of counterfeit parts, including parts in the Electromagnetic Interference Filters used in night missions and in operation of "hellfire" missiles on SH-60B Navy helicopters.

    They were also found in memory chips in the display systems of C-17 Globemaster III and C-130J military cargo planes, and refurbished ice detection modules on the Navy P-8A Poseidon, modified Boeing 737 aircraft incorporated with anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare capabilities.

    Democratic Chairman Carl Levin, who launched the report alongside Republican John McCain, says it "outlines how this flood of counterfeit parts, overwhelmingly from China, threatens national security, the safety of our troops and American jobs."

    "It underscores China's failure to police the blatant market in counterfeit parts - a failure China should rectify."

    The report said US authorities and contract companies contributed to the vulnerabilities to the defense supply chain by not detecting the fakes, or routinely failing to report suspected counterfeiting to the military.

    "The failure of a single electronic part can leave a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine vulnerable at the worst possible time," the report said.

    "Unfortunately, a flood of counterfeit electronic parts has made it a lot harder to prevent that from happening."

    The report said the Defense Department "lacks knowledge of the scope and impact of counterfeit parts on critical defense systems."

    It also said the Chinese government denied visas to committee staff to travel to there, with a Chinese embassy official saying the issue was sensitive and a negative report could end up "damaging" US-China relations.

    Report uncovers counterfeit Chinese parts in US military planes | ABC Radio Australia
     
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    OMG !!!!!!
    OH NOOOOO.....NOOO
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    WTF man ,we gonna buy american weapons with chinese cheap a$$ electronics systems .Oh common our standard is not so bad [​IMG]
     
  12. ice berg

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    May as well buy it directly from the chinese. :pound:
     
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    Same as black market in India. Guess everyone is a sinner. :pound:
     
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    Why bother?

    Chinese manufacturers earn their profit!
    American contractor make some extra money!
    USA forces got the weapons even their budget was cut!
    USA government purchased the weapons in a lower price!

    See, win-win!
     
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    and now it's an indispensable organ of their military !
     
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    i hope th eusa gets a president who cares and knows about the military . it seems to me ( i could be wrong here ) that the present President is more concerned about other matters - cant blame him its a tough job - but the usa needs someone who has some military experience - not a draft dodger like slick willy ?
     
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    Wow! Now the Chinese goods have found their way into the Us defense equipment
     
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    Chinese spare parts are being used.

    It comes cheap even if it is dangerous to use them.
     
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    ^^^^ sorry our days are not so bad that we would buy chinese pirated craps:D
     
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    The US is in deep trouble if Chinese spare parts flood the US defence systems and platforms!

    They should find out who and how this mess was brought upon them!
     
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    not only US but also we would be indirectly in trouble as both the weapons mention in red are also going to be bought by us.:scared1:
     

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