China conducts massive Border Drill

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    Press Trust of India, Updated: March 22, 2012 13:27 IST

    Beijing: China has conducted a massive military exercise in the high altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, close to the disputed borders with India, during which it has for the first time tested the multi-role J-10 fighter jets.

    The People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force have conducted ground attack training over the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, the "first operation of its kind", official media here reported.

    According to a report and photos released by PLA Daily yesterday, the ground crew of J-10 regiment fuelled the fighters and loaded ammunition on the 3,500-meter-high plateau at temperatures below -20 C.

    The fighters scrambled and attacked the targets with conventional as well as laser-guided bombs. Sorties were made both during the day and at night, the report said.

    It was the second time that the official media released photos of the home made J-10 fighter using laser-guided bombs.

    The exercises were highlighted today by another official daily - The Global Times.

    The rare display of the news about exercises was seen as a message to the Indian side, which is also beefing up its border regions along the Line of Actual Control, (LAC) by deploying its top end fighter aircraft.

    The J-10, which was also being sold to Pakistan, took part in exercises in October last year conducted by PLA incorporating air forces and air defence units as well as armour and artillery units in Tibet Autonomous Region.

    "The J-10 fighter was initially designed as an air superiority fighter, focusing on air combat and interception capability.

    "But with modern sensors, avionics and land attack munitions, it can also perform well in ground attack roles,"

    Bai Wei, former deputy chief editor of Aviation World Monthly told the state run Global Times.

    The J-10's activities on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau have been relatively frequent in the past months, the newspaper said.

    "Operations on the plateau are a routine for the air force. The main obstacles for plateau operation are thin air, complicated weather conditions faced by ground crews and low oxygen density, which makes igniting the engines much harder," Bai noted.

    The J-10 fighters made their first flight during the Chinese Lunar New Year on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau in January this year with a typical air combat patrol payload, namely two mid-range air-to-air missiles, two short-range air-to-air missiles, and three external fuel tanks.

    The J-10's primary air combat weapon, the active radar homing mid-range missile dubbed as the PL-12, is a fourth generation radar-homing air-to-air missile, the daily said.

    It is generally comparable to the US AIM-120 missile, which has a good service record in past air combat missions, Daniel Tong, a Chinese military observer and founder of the website Chinese Military Aviation said.

    The Chengdu J-10 fighter made its official debut in 2006.

    The aircraft has been delivered to the air force in large quantities along with the Shengyang J-11 two-engine heavy fighter, Tong said.


    China test its J-10 fighters near borders with India
     
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  3. Ray

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    It is good that China did.

    Much can be learnt of their op plans and tactics!
     
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    PHOTOS: China tests J-10 fighters near borders with India

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    Last updated on: March 22, 2012 12:59 IST

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    China has conducted a massive military exercise in the high altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, close to the disputed borders with India, during which it has for the first time tested the multi-role J-10 fighter jets.

    The People's Liberation Army Air Force have conducted ground attack training over the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, the "first operation of its kind", official media in Beijing reported.

    According to a report and photos released by PLA Daily on Wednesday, the ground crew of J-10 regiment fuelled the fighters and loaded ammunition on the 3,500-meter-high plateau at temperatures below -20 C.

    The fighters scrambled and attacked the targets with conventional as well as laser-guided bombs. Sorties were made both during the day and at night, the report said.

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    J-10 fighter jets of China Air Force fly at Yangcun Air Force base on the outskirts of Tianjin municipality


    It was the second time that the official media released photos of the home made J-10 fighter using laser-guided bombs. The exercises were highlighted on Thursday by another official daily -- The Global Times.

    The rare display of the news about exercises was seen as a message to the Indian side, which is also beefing up its border regions along the Line of Actual Control by deploying its top end fighter aircraft.

    The J-10, which was also being sold to Pakistan, took part in exercises in October last conducted by PLA incorporating air forces and air defence units as well as armour and artillery units in Tibet Autonomous Region.

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    "The J-10 fighter was initially designed as an air superiority fighter, focusing on air combat and interception capability.

    "But with modern sensors, avionics and land attack munitions, it can also perform well in ground attack roles," Bai Wei, former deputy chief editor of Aviation World Monthly told the state-run Global Times.
    The J-10's activities on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau have been relatively frequent in the past months, the newspaper said.

    "Operations on the plateau are a routine for the air force. The main obstacles for plateau operation are thin air, complicated weather conditions faced by ground crews and low oxygen density, which makes igniting the engines much harder," Bai noted.


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    The J-10 fighters made their first flight during the Chinese Lunar New Year on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau in January this year with a typical air combat patrol payload, namely two mid-range air-to-air missiles, two short-range air-to-air missiles, and three external fuel tanks.

    The J-10's primary air combat weapon, the active radar homing mid-range missile dubbed as the PL-12, is a fourth generation radar-homing air-to-air missile, the daily said. It is generally comparable to the US AIM-120 missile, which has a good service record in past air combat missions, Daniel Tong, a Chinese military observer and founder of the website Chinese Military Aviation said.

    The Chengdu J-10 fighter made its official debut in 2006. The aircraft has been delivered to the air force in large quantities along with the Shengyang J-11 two-engine heavy fighter, Tong said.


    PHOTOS: China tests J-10 fighters near borders with India - Rediff.com News
     
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    dont worry ball less GOI welcome them.
     
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    is Joke 10(J10) being sold to Pakis? this is a news how many numbers do they have
     
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    quite confusing does it says that it does not have modern sensor and avionics right now ???
     
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    Pakistan is waiting for J 10 B ie supposed to be a better version than the existing J 10 A

    Unless J 10 B is bought by some country other than Pakistan we can remain sceptical about its capabilities

    All that is known about J 10 is it uses a single Al 31 engine which is a Russian engine

    But the avionics, radars ,A to A missiles are all cheap Chinese products

    Even IAF's Mig 29 can knock out the J 10
     
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    lol, right keep underestimate china until its too late. in early 90s right after soviet fall, china recurit approx 3000-5000 russian engineer/scentist to work for them. china electronic, avionic, radar improve signficantly in recent years due to dual use technology transfer, huge manufacture base, and its own investment etc.

    the only cheap stuff you saw are the stuff they export, there are high quality products in china if you are willing to pay the $$$
     
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    our mig 29s are from baba adam jamana.
     
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    First of all China never got the cream of the scientists, Despite the horrible economic situation in Russia they knew the value of these people and they were retained. Your argument sounds good but there is almost no evidence to support what you are saying.... even though the Chinese have a lot of ex USSR scientists why is it they are still reverse engineering aircraft or out right copying aircraft.... as far as avionics missiles etc are concerned , i doubt that China has anything that causes sleepless night for Defense planners..... let me explain why ....A good litmus test for any Chinese military hardware is to see how Unkil Sam reacts to it.....For example when Chine developed the "Aircraft Carrier killing Ballistic missile system" Unkil was concerned but other than that even the J20 did not cause much reaction from the US defense circles...

    You have to realize that it takes a lot more than just a few thousand ex Soviet scientists to make world class military hardware... There has never been proper infrastructure in China for innovation, In the communist political system no one is expected to ask any questions and are to follow what the central committee asks them, also why do you think that nothing is designed in china its because the educational institutions encourage any creativity and imagination
     
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    its not an arguement it was fact. china did recruit many russia scientist after the fall of soviet, and they are willing to pay top $$$ for them, free housing etc etc. after fall of soviet, during and after the chaos many russia scientist was out of job, and want to move out of the country. most of them still belief communism, so moving to another commy country make sense to them, also china pay them very generouslly, including other benefits free house, med care etc etc. on top of that, its much easier for russian scentist to get into china than US or other western country, since western country were suspicious about soviet scentist, and non of the western country actively recruit soviet scentist, which make china to recrut these scentist even more easier. the result of these scentist help china R&D quite a bit.

    china avionic, eletronic, etc technology futher improved after most western coporation move their jobs to china. alot technology/innovation were created during manufacture process, this is true for any manufacture anywhere. on top of that china REQUIRE technology transfer when west coporation try to access chinese market or establish local factories. so company such as GM, GE, Mirosoft, IBM etc etc has local partner, and sold/transfer alot technology to china for the past decade. these coporation have research center in china. alot chinese kids educated in US, master/phd went back to china after graduated.

    most technology today are dual purpose, espeically in avionic, electronic, optical, computing etc etc etc. as result of ALL these event help china leapfrog in certain fields. their avionic, electronic etc are near the capabilities of west. the jet engine/diesel turbine still lag behind west, radar is a bit behind.

    if you open your PC,smarphone, most likely its made in china. the same electronic/processor/chips can be use for aviation, electronic in a jet/ships/satelite etc etc. so the hardware/technology is there for china to use in certain part of their military equipments, missile guidance, sensor, satelite, FBW etc etc

    so the reality is every single event that i mention start from 90's till now contrbute to the overall of chinese technology/R&D etc. the recruit of those russian scentist was merely the 1st step, and every event aftward take a step foward for china, and the government also help it by invest tens billions of dollar in R&D, technology firm.

    there alot people belief china copy everything etc. it is true they did siginficant reverse engineeing and study of russia/west stuff. but the result is they learn ALOT from the stuff they bought from russia, and combine with above event i mention, they create their own electronic, avionic, radar etc for their jet or ships. have you notice, they buy less and less stuff from russia since 2005. china only interest in high performance jet engine/diesel turbine for combat ships from west/and few other technology. for china, it will be nice to get some new stuff from russia to see how it work, but unlike in the 90's china has the ability to produce its own stuff that is comparable to russia stuff but behind western made products. china seem interest in s400 though
     
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    Some posturing before Chinese President visits New Delhi next week for bilateral talks with MMS.
     
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    China 'warns' India with border drill

    NEW DELHI\BEIJING: China is back to flexing its muscles close to the Indian border. The People's Liberation Army has conducted a major "live fire" exercise, testing its multi-role J-10 fighters armed with laser-guided and other bombs, in the high-altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau.

    Chinese official media on Thursday described the exercise as "the first operation of its kind" on the 3,500-metre high plateau, which saw the fighter jets being fuelled and loaded with bombs for ground attack missions during sub-zero temperatures.

    The rare publicity given to the exercise comes at a time when China is getting ready for a change of guard, including the election of a new president and secretary general of the Communist Party.

    It's also meant as a strong signal to India, which has belatedly taken to strategically counter China's massive build-up of military infrastructure all along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control over the last two decades.

    This is, of course, not the first time PLA has undertaken combat exercises in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR), having tested its Sukhoi-27UBK and Sukhoi-30MKK fighters as well as rapid reaction forces and airborne corps there over the last two-three years.

    But China-watchers in the Indian defence establishment say the latest exercise, with fighters conducting both day and night sorties, seems to be "several rungs higher" than the ones conducted in the past. It comes barely five months after another major PLA exercise, involving air force, tanks and artillery, was held in the region.

    "China usually deploys fighters in TAR only during summers from March onwards because of the thin air and tough operating conditions there. But last year for the first time, PLA kept the J-10 jets deployed at Gongar (Lhasa) throughout the winter," said a senior officer.

    China, apart from nuclear missile bases in Qinghai province that unmistakably target India, has built five fully operational airbases at Gongar, Pangta, Linchi, Hoping and Gar Gunsa, an extensive rail network and over 58,000-km of roads in TAR.

    This makes it possible for PLA to move around 30 divisions (each with over 15,000 soldiers) to the LAC within 30 days to outnumber Indian forces by at least three-is-to-one. The Chengdu military region and the PLA airbases in TAR are mainly tasked for an anti-India role, as earlier reported by TOI.

    India, in turn, has based its most potent fighters Sukhoi-30MKIs, which can go deep into China, at Tezpur and Chabua in Assam, apart from planning to deploy six C-130J "Super Hercules" strategic airlift aircraft in the eastern sector.

    "We have a slight advantage over China in the sense that its TAR airbases are located at an average height of 10,000 to 12,000-feet. This restricts the weapon loads their Sukhois and J-10s can carry. PLA Air Force, of course, is almost triple our size" said an IAF officer.

    India is also now upgrading eastern sector ALGs (advanced landing grounds) like Pasighat, Mechuka, Walong, Tuting, Ziro and Vijaynagar as well as several helipads in Arunachal Pradesh. This comes after the reactivation of western sector ALGs like Daulat Beg Oldi, Fukche and Nyama in eastern Ladakh.

    Moreover, Army is now planning a mountain strike corps (70,000 soldiers) after raising two new mountain infantry divisions, with 1,260 officers and 35,011 soldiers, in Assam and Nagaland. There are also plans to base Akash and BrahMos missile regiments in the North-East for conventional deterrence against China.

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    How did Indians figure it out that it was meant for India? I didn't read anything about India in Chinese reports related to the drill. Indians shouldn't be so sensitive.
     
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    Off course you are practicing in Tibet targeting Pakis.
     
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    This is good news. It means we have needled the chinis and they are shitting bricks. Injured dog barks more than healthy dog.

    :che:
     
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    Papa Ji news dekha karo..
     
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    There are J10, J11, MKK, and others, Why so fuss abt this, nothing new..

    They are going to Operate from 5 airbase in TAR..
     
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    It's called being self-centered. Those drills aren't meant for anyone, they're meant to train pilots in operations on the very high, very cold Tibetan Plateu. Training is what you do to avoid 33 crashes every 3 years... The PLAAF trains and carries out drills in every possible theatre of operations. And anyway, its not like this is the first time j10's are operating in Tibet, what's with the fuss?
     

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