China Claims 90% of Spratly Islands, Actually Controls 13%

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  1. Drsomnath999

    Drsomnath999 lord of 32 teeth Elite Member

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    Apr. 9 – China suffered a blow at the recent ASEAN meetings in Phnom Penh, losing a motion not to have South China Sea disputes discussed during the summit[​IMG]. China is not a member of ASEAN, but has been granted observer status and the request to interfere with the ASEAN agenda did not seem to sit well with the 10 countries that make up the Southeast Asian bloc. In particular, four ASEAN countries – Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines – are directly engaged in disagreements with China over ownership of the Spratly Islands.

    China has long held a view that the South China Sea is Chinese, and that disputes should only be settled with Beijing directly on a bilateral basis. ASEAN, however, provides a multilateral forum and a bloc that allows disputes to be discussed collectively. Much of the debate focuses on the Vietnamese government’s decision to allow a joint venture between an Indian oil drilling company in blocks controlled by Vietnam. China has criticized the move, suggesting that significant “economic and political risks” await both Vietnam and India should exploration commence.

    “China will not dilute its claims over the disputed islands…because nationalism strongly prevails in China,” commented Wu Shicun, president of the state-funded National Institute of South China Sea Studies.

    Of the islands and sandbars themselves, China only actually controls a small percentage. The 52 Spratly Islands plus smaller territories are currently controlled by Vietnam (40), the Philippines (9), China (7):pound:, Malaysia (5) and Taiwan (1).

    In related news, India launched its first nuclear powered submarine last week, the INS Chakra, joining an elite club made up of the United States, Russia, Great Britain, France and China with such technologies. India expects to be operating a fleet of five such submarines by 2020. The INS Chakra is weaponized and will undertake surveillance and deterrence operations off the Indian coast.

    “As peace and stability in the region are crucial to peace in the world at large, it is imperative that the Indian Navy maintains a strong and credible naval presence in the region,” Defence Minister A. K. Antony said while speaking at the induction ceremony.
    China Claims 90% of Spratly Islands, Actually Controls 13% | 2point6billion.com - Foreign Direct Investment in Asia

    SO sad china :laugh:
     
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  3. s002wjh

    s002wjh Senior Member Senior Member

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    the truth is china has the ability to forcibility occupy all these islands. but it will create a big fuss on the international stage. i don't think any ASEAN will push china into a corner, because they know none of them has the military force to go against china. china may very well use coast guard or fishing boat to force ASEAN nations resource explore ships NOT to establish oil platform or mining etc in south china sea. and i doubt ASEAN nation will use its navy to destroy those coast guard/fishing ship, the result will give china the excuse to deploy their much more powerful navy.

    china might have much less occupy island, but it has much better deck of cards in its hand than ASEAN, economy/military etc.
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    And that will make the rest of the world to give a bitch slap on Chicoms with a series of economic sanctions- That 3Tn$ + useless debt bonds will go to ash tray and China can forget its wet dreams of becoming a super power and an economic power house:rock::taunt:

    May be the :pig:isthan will remain by the side of its Gay partner China:taunt1::troll:
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    Man! ASEAN has more balls than MMS and the rest of so-called men in UPA.
     
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    nitesh Mob Control Manager Stars and Ambassadors

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    Chinese boasters can only blabber nonsense, they want to capture the world, but in reality they don't control anything near there coast, just Google for Kinmen and Matsu island. The truth is that so called super power doesn't even control islands 2km away from it's territory. Talks of Chinese capability :rofl:
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Happen to sit 2km from Kinmen. It was not captured for a political agenda i.e. leaving Kinmen and Matsu + a few more islets in the Straits as a link btwn ML and TW. Kinmen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    The county is claimed by the People's Republic of China (PRC) as part of its own Fujian Province's Quanzhou Prefecture
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Yes, in ROC Taiwan a Fujian "provincial govnmt" is still in place as a token that ROC also rules Fujian Province though only holding a few islands. So, there're 2 Fujian administrations, one on ML the other on TW. Militarily PRC could have easily captured the islands but gave up for political aims.

    Building Kinmen-Xiamen bridge has much to gain for Taiwan - What's On Xiamen
     
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    This takes the cake :rofl:
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    u still don't get it. other islands were taken over but PRC decided not to capture Kinmen and Matsu finally becoz at that time PRC was attempting a "peaceful reunification"., not to leave TW totally isolated from ML. That's a political decision not a military one.

    List of battles over Kinmen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nowadays, those islands even rely on water supply from ML!
     
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    nitesh Mob Control Manager Stars and Ambassadors

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    What ever way you spin it, the fact is that you don't control island located 2km from your coast. Seriously this boasting of military capability is laughable to say at least
     
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    rest of world won't give a damn about SCS. both europe/US are not in any good position for economic sanction. also there are NO benefit by doing this. europe/US won't benefit a single damn thing by helping phillpine or vietnam. the only thing that US might do is complain about "freedom of navagation in that area with its navy" you can't default on debt selectivelly, doing so is declearation of war, and what does europe/US gain by help SCS? again nothing.
     
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    are you really that dumb. china has the military capability to capture all those island if it choose too. it doesn't, due to political reasons. as i said before if ASEAN push china too far by fire on chinese coast guard/fishign ships or other methods then china has the excuse to send in its navy. there nothing in the vietnam/phillipine inventory that can match chinese navy!!! rest world doesn't have any gain to help vietnam/phillipine, only lost. only US might intervane, even then its not a military intervention.
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    per my view, chinese is the only cowardly nation in the world... :rofl:
     
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    You have the same logic of the Chicoms- though you claim to be an American. The economic sanctions on the Chicoms is actually in the interest of the EU/USA as it gets rid of 3+Tn$ bond of debt from US and it also helps to sanction the dumping of the Chicom goods in EU and USA- it will help in reviving the local industry of these continents specially during an economic crisis like this:rock:

    Also, Chicoms cant declare war on US for an economic blockade- its not strong enough- whose support does it have?- Porkistan:pig: and North Korea:heh:?
     
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    obviously you don't have a clue on how economy works. china economy is TIE to the worlds, europe is depend on china export/import. you can't default on the bonds that easily, otherwise greece, spain would do it long time ago. china only hold 1.2T of US bonds, which is 6% of US debt, the rest are held by US citizen like me. ask any expert on this subject!! teh same reason why greece won't default even when their unemployment is at 22%. default will only work if US decide goto war with china, which i doubt US want to do that.

    why would china declear war on US?? SCS is a disputed between china, vietanm, phillipine and others. europe has ZERO benefit to help vietanm, phillpine, and hurt their own economy even more and piss off their largest trading partner, only a fool would do it.

    Only US has issue with china claim to the area, and it has nothing to do with any ASEAN countries either, it has to do with freedom of navigation for US navy, and to contain china.

    to think europe/US will do any economy sanction in order to get rid of chinese surplus is laughable. this is not tiannmen square or invade a soverign country. if ASEAN push china too far or fire upon chiense coat guard etc, it will give china the perfect excuse to send in its navy.
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    in any case, the country who leads the embargo against CHina would meet raving avenge from CHina....

    So,question is which country would be ready to lead such embargo and accept the heavy loss caused by raving aveng form CHina? India?

    it is not easy to be brave mouse who first ties the necklace against ferocious cat!
     
  19. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    it is a not military issue,but a political issue.

    to take over the small island from Taiwan(Republic of CHina) would completely cut off its geographic relation with Mainland CHina. it would increase the excuse of an independent Taiwan.
     
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    Ouch I hit the nerve :D, BS, China is a pathetic state which does not even control islands 2km from it's borders, this is the fact, keep spinning it, but you can't run away from facts. Forget about taking over other nations.
     
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    nitesh Mob Control Manager Stars and Ambassadors

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    You need to go to re education camp, by your logic India should give control of Rameshwaram island to Sri lanka, so that Sri lankan Tamils can feel close to India :rofl:. What a pathetic excuse to hide the incompetence. 10 lashes to you :D
     

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