China city plans Nehru museum, 50 years after war

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    Fifty years on after the end of the India-China war on November 21, 1962, a Chinese city has announced plans to open a museum to commemorate a much-forgotten visit by Jawaharlal Nehru to China in the autumn of 1939.

    Chongqing, a municipality in southwest China that hosted Nehru when it was the wartime capital of Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist government under the Kuomintang (KMT), plans to mark his visit to the city by opening a museum at the site of the old Indian Embassy residence building, which is today a protected heritage site.

    Nehru sailed up the Yangtze river and arrived in the city as a guest of the KMT leader in August 1939, according to city officials. An essay by scholar Lin Chengjie noted, drawing on press reports from the time, that Nehru was “honoured as the great leader of the Indian people” and as “an intimate friend of China” for showing solidarity during the war with Japan. Nehru also reached out to the Communists, who were then in their revolutionary base of Yan’an, and received an invitation from Mao Zedong to visit. The Second World War, however, forced Nehru to return early to India.

    The India-China war in 1962 dramatically altered Chinese perception of Nehru, who was in subsequent years vilified by the State media — upon Mao Zedong’s direction — as a “bourgeois Imperialist.” More recently, however, Nehru’s role in promoting relations — even during the time of the KMT, a period usually portrayed by the Communist Party only in negative terms — has been given more prominent attention, as the Chongqing initiative suggests, with the 1962 war a fading memory in China today.

    The sprawling old Indian Embassy residence building, where Nehru stayed sits on a remote hilltop in the Nanshan mountains. The foggy mountains were a popular site for government and Embassy residences in the 1930s, seen as providing shelter from Japanese air-raids. Today, the estate is the site of the Chongqing Nanshan Botanical Gardens — a popular tourist destination during the Cherry Blossoms season — and also houses old residences belonging to the Spanish, French and Russian Embassies.

    Few people in Chongqing are, however, aware of the old Indian Embassy residence building’s history. The only clue to its history is a small sign on the wall of the building which reads: “It was here in 1940 that Jawaharlal Nehru, the late leader of the Indian National Congress, once lived.”

    Peng Kelei, who is the project manager of the site, told The Hindu that the municipality was keen to set up a museum at the site to mark Nehru’s visit.

    “The building has been kept exactly the same way since the time Nehru visited,” he said. “In the year 2000, the government decided to make this site a provincial-level protected heritage building. We want to do more to mark Chongqing’s connection with Nehru, and are hoping we can get support, and more information, from our friends in India about Nehru’s visit to Chongqing.”

    The second floor of the building, including the bedroom where Nehru once stayed, had been left untouched, he said. The first floor is now a library that holds collections related to the Botanical Gardens. Mr. Peng said the plan was to set up a museum that would commemorate Nehru’s unique link to Chongqing and his contribution to India-China ties – provided, he added, enough material could be gathered from India.

    The Hindu : News : China city plans Nehru museum, 50 years after war
     
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    Of course they do. What not commemorate the man who laid it all on the platter for them.
     
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    Nehru is good scholar, but a bad bad politician and national leader.
    He succeed became an icon of all developing nation world, and made India enjoyed higher profile than China before 1960s'.

    But he took the wrong step being as successor of British in subcontinent, and underestimated China's determination on consolidating ruling over Tibet.

    The "Forward Policy" in fact is very stupid, if he would take some gentle way and try to negotiate with China, China would even recognize the "McMahon Line", since China and Zhou Enla almost recognized this line with its part with Burma.

    Another thing is: the victory over small Goa gave the false confidence that IA is capable for bullying PLA, but if you look at PLA's warfare experience:
    1921- 937, PLA (Red Army) had civil war with KMT,
    1937-1945, War with Japan
    1945-1950, Civil war again with KMT
    1950-1953 Korean War
    1950-1956 Proxy war in Vietnam against France

    From the political intelligence to military skill, China had much much more advantages comparing GOI,
    typical case like: after the conflict, PLA even return all the captured weapon and POWs without any condition... and show the willing that noto make it become a full scale war.

    I think that's the major reason why the defeat in 1962 to India, and India had no chance to win at that time.

    So in China, the government doesn't hate Nehru, just treat him just as incapable politician, and till now the government still maintain a good relationship with Nehru family. Each time when Chinese leader visits India, there will be a regular meeting with Sonia and Rahul...
     
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    This is a cunning move of the property owner, he will get double or triple compensation if his property is a historical site when it has to be demolished for new buildings. Poor Nehru was taken advantage of again.

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    Fewer and fewer Chinese know this guy though, I bet he is not well known in his homeland either,
    this is someone we need to memorize.
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    put some action to your words - return the aksai to india ( keep the road connecting tibet with xinjiang , return the rest ) - then we can consider china to be a a brother and admit that the forward policy was a mistake and a provocation
     
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    ShabiKB Tihar Jail Banned

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    I know you were robbed by Brits, but it does not entitle you to inherit what it robbed from elsewhere.
    Aksaichin has never been part of British India either.
     
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    You can't ask history give you 2nd chance, Nehru made mistake then the India has to swallow it.

    "Return the aksai to india", "return the Zhangnan (your so called AP) to China" then there will be no end...

    In fact, not like your media's regularly blow up like "China's intrusion", the Sino-India border is very peaceful in recent 25 yrs after 1987,
    there are still some "Indi-chini bhai bhai" slogan raised when the soldiers meet each others on borders.
     
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    India have to be very carefull of the new 21st century robber... I mean the robber in a mission to rob its neghbours based on history...
     
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    Please tell this very story to Pakistan, Sikkim and Bangladesh then. who robbed them off in the 20 century under the name of a victim, heheh.
     
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    is this being done in collaboration with the goi ........... or are they celebrating him unilaterally as THEIR hero ??
     
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    It seems you did not understood my post... I meant India have to be very crefull of the 21st century robbers...

    anyway lets take one by one the name you have mentioned...

    Pakistan: India has been victim of the un justified claims of land by Pakistan, it is Pakistan who invaded our land first in the years of 48 & 65 & 99 for examples and still occupies a portion of it illigally till today... India have to intervene militarily [B]only [/B] when it was apparant that Pakistan have sent its troops to those areas first to forceably occupy it...

    Sikkim: They joined India on their own wish... no one had forced them to be with India... when they saw what happened in Tibet, the brutalities of Chineese ocupational forces... they have the best bet with India... Talk to any person from Sikkim they are the best persons to tell you the story. Even we have a senior member from Sikkim here in this forum.

    Bangladesh: There is no border issues now... India have made major concessions on the land enclave exchanges and will be ratified soon... Bangladesh will ge what is theirs...

    India is a peace loving country with no ill intentions... It is the victim of land grab by China & Pakistan...
     
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    Hindi -chini bhai bhai

    Nehru-KMT bhai bhai
     
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    That was and is impossible.
    We keep Aksai Chin and you keep Arunachal Pradesh. And then you don't need to consider China to be a brother and neither need to admit that forard policy was a mistake and a provocation. We are fine with the current situation.
     
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    Let's see and yeah only time will tell............when the Nehru's seeds are neutralized and a nationalist anti-secular govt. gets the required entrenchment and control of the (corrupt) system laid down by Nehru for his Mughal clan, then we will see..... :)
     
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    The relation between India and China has moved WAY BEYOND the simplicity of you take this and we take that... and you did this forward policy to us and we are the innocents who reacted only...

    The attitude here in India has hardened considerably and we have watched very clearly what you have done in the last 50 years to destabilise India and by arming pakistan to destroy us as a nation... specially being an irresponsible country by helping a rouge country on nucluear & Missile techs...

    Let me tell you as common Indian citizen ... India has nothing to lose and every thing to gain... we have the necesary patience to wait... we will not allow China to get way so easily... the feeling is very simillar to yours towards Japan...
     
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    'Forward policy' was something that was implemented way after Chinese had built roads in Indian territory... many parts of which that Chinese had assured India that was just shown as part of China due to incorrect maps! However, that shouldn't stop the Chinese from believing in their own propaganda that it was the Forward policy that caused the war!
     
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    It's never been your land, how come you became a Victim? correct me if I am wrong, are those people on India occupied Kashmire rebelled for fun? You took advantage of your weaker neighbor and bullied it three times, if not for the international intervention, you are claiming Afghanistan now.

    Please stop this shameless nonsense, Sikkim has ever been an independent kingdom, you invaded their land by force in 1949, controlled their government by appointing an Indian to be their prime minster, 1968 they walked on street try to abolish the treaty, but you crashed them with tanks and over thrown their government and replaced with your own people. Now Sikkim has been flooded with Hindu ethnic people, their own fled away and many of them joined the guerrilla forces in Assam, Peaceloving indian.... don't you have a little bit decency...



    It is THEIR land instead, you seized it away and "gave up" a small portion of it, who told you there is no border issue? you must have a short memory, there were riots two months ago and shook your core to Bangalore, isn't it?



    I am not surprised to see you are peace loving after you satiated your greedy appetite.
     
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    no you are not fine with that situation ................ you always want more dont you ?

    now you are weekly transgressing the border and claiming AP against the treaty which your own deputy chairman zhou enlai proposed ..... so you are going against y our own proposal and greedily wanting more

    that is the trouble with dragon and now the asean countries are gonna experience it
     
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    The land was with us for five thousand years and will be ours in future... India unlike China gives full freedom to speach & expression and few peoples mis use it on provocation from Neighboring countries like Pakistan & China. You know these days we also see Tibetians are self imolatng themselves in Tibet against Chineese Tyranny does that means the whole of TIBET has revolted against China ? Please let me know if the same standard can be applied to you in Tibet also...

    These days I would like to invite you to Kashmire as a tourist and you can see for your self how peacefull the people are there and the tourism is flourishing like never before...

    Pakistan does not think it self as a week country, please check it with them... It is they who started the war in 48 & 65 and we gave the final blow back to them on 71. I am sure you know something about 71, what happended to your dear friend...

    We have seen many internatonal pressure and we have taken the bluff out of the 7th fleet at 71 that was at our shore...

    Please do not say bad things to the people of Sikkim, they are proud Indians... you must be brain washed by the Chineese CCP propaganda...

    In very near future you will see Sikkim army brigade facing you in Tibet border... The Sikkim people hate you Chineese... please understand this truth... You Chineese have made them hate you by your killings of innocent civillians in Tibet...

    You are totally confused here quite understandable when one is fed by the lies from Chineese CCP and its vulgar propaganda... The riots have nothing to do with our relationship with Bangladesh or the border issue... It is an internal of India matter that we have fixed it...

    As I have said earlier if any land that belongs to Bangladesh will be returned to them though mutual agreed exchange of enclaves as there any areas belonging to India are currntly controlled by Bangladesh ... India does not want to hold other countries land... We will never do that...

    India is a peace loving country and we ONLY want our land that are illigally occupied by Pakistan & China be returned to the rightfull owners of the land...

    My ending Note on the your bolded part above, I have heard that humans are greedy but how came the appetite be greedy, have I mis understood you here ? or it is what CCP told you...
     
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