China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, from it

[p2prada]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

I had posted this in another thread,

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...twin-challenge-china-pakistan.html#post715936

The author is overestimating PLAAF presence.

They currently have 350 - 400 Flankers (mix of old and new) and ~200 J-10s. At roughly 24 aircraft per squadron they come up to 22 - 25 squadrons, including all the trainers and reserves, compared to our figure of 18 - 21 per squadron. Other aircraft may not be used against IAF in offensive roles, but J-7s and J-8s are available. Beyond that 3 squadrons make a Regiment and 2 Regiments and sometimes 3 Regiments make a Division.

If they place 21 squadrons against IAF alone, then they will have to keep a mixed package of the remaining 1 - 3 squadrons against much larger forces of Japan, USN, VVS and Taiwan. Not happening. At best during wartime, they can probably maintain 15 squadrons against an equal number of "better" IAF jets while maintaining 10 squadrons in other areas.

In the low tech segment, PLAAF can overwhelm us with their J-7s and J-8s. But the Himalayas will be punishing for such aircraft to operate from Tibetan airbases. Also, the requirement in operating low tech birds will deny airbase space for other high tech jets from other squadrons based on the east coast. The low tech jets can make up another 25 squadrons or so, with many of them nearing the end of their service lives, similar to around 10 - 12 squadrons of Mig-21s and Mig-27s that we have in service today.

As for PAF, current F-16s are outdated, their Mirage-III/Vs (3 or 4 squadrons worth) are actually better aircraft and they have only one squadron of F-16s which can be termed high tech. Their JF-17 squadrons are merely training and conversion squadrons. Overall, their 21 - 26 squadrons pose a significantly smaller threat compared to the PLAAF. More than half the fleet is composed of older versions of F-7s and some vintage jets which should be in storage. Overall, 8 - 10 good squadrons with around 15 obsolete squadrons, at the same level as the old Mig-21s and Mig-27s (not the 6 Bison squadrons or the two Mig-27UPG squadrons). They are severely outmatched by just one or two MKI squadrons.

Better the aircraft we have, the better will be IAF's flexibility is moving assets between borders in a very short time, like the example of MKIs from Assam running strike missions in Pakistan.

 

[sayareakd]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

That is typical fanboy reasoning. Nukes = deterrence.

Anyway let us get back to the stupic topic. China "can" throw at least 21 fighter squadrons...

Another crappy news from India.

if nuke is not equal to deterrence then what it is ?

you want to use nuke for non deterrence purpose.

Chinese like you are insane.

 

[GromHellscream]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

Some interesting valuations found elsewhere:

The game lasted for almost three weeks, which itself a pretty long one. Indications?

1) From strategic viewpoints, it indicates that India believes that he can beat Pakistan in three weeks or so, and will not be interrupted by international society for the first three weeks. Though whether both of the assumptions have a solid base or not is still a question.

2) From campaign & tactics viewpoints, 8000 flight hours over 20 days equals to an average 400 hours per day. To support the military actions against Pakistan, both high intensity missions (like mass scale bombards) and low intensity missions (like CAP) are needed. For each day, if we assume that there are 8 hours high and 16 hours low intensity missions in total, and we also assumes that 1 hour high and 2 hour low for each sortie. Then there are 8 attack waves each day. Assumed that in each wave, there are X planes for high and Y planes for low, we can get
8X + 16Y = 400, thus X + 2Y = 50;
If we set Y as the minimum Y = 2, X can reach its maximum 46;
If we set Y as a resonable lower limit Y = 4, so X = 42;
If we set Y as the ordinary case Y = 8, so X = 34;
Other cases can be inducted in this way, as well.
So, in this game IFA has displayed the maximum attack wave they can launched are aound 40 planes. (Though X can be increased even larger in theory, but reducing Y too much will leave counterattack space for PAF, thus will worsen the effect of ground attack waves.)

What kinds of level did USA display in history?

In 1991 Gulf War, 12000 sorties in 43 days, that was 280 sorties per day ( though large amount sorties in the middle process were cancelled for sand storms), the highest sorties ever for one day reached 1500;

In 1999 Balkan, Europe, 35000 sorties in 78 days, that was 450 per day ( though limited by strings not to attack civilian targets), the higest sorties for one day reached 800;

In 2003 Iraq War, 42000 sorties in the first 3 weeks, that was 1600 per day, the highest sorties for one day reached over 2000;

According to reports, India achieved 400 sorties per day in this 20 days long game, which has already reached a quater of US airforce (proved) launching capabilities.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

please don't compare allied invasion of iraq in which several air forces of nato and america including us navy aircrafts paticipate with this indian air force exercise which was carried out to validate new air foce tactics and practice aeial blitzkreig and bombing.that was an actual war and this is just an exercise which is largely ignored even by main stream media of india.

 

[sayareakd]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

any idea how many squadron PLAAF has ?

 

[JBH22]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

at least, PLA needn't worry about their cannon shells stock after conflicts last 1 month,as India troops did in kargil conflct did.

India improved its fuel storage,ammo stockage afaik its reached up to 45days now though Chinese one must be higher, but my greatest concern would be to reverse the massive trade deficit we have with CHINA.

PS: A good SAM network is also good deterrence

 

[vram]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

LOL the conversation here is shaping up to be like one of those that people see in gaming forums like Age Of Empires . Come on guys deal in facts. Are we going have some star wars kind of stuff with 21 sqaudrons flying in formation and hero indian fighting bravely outnumbered like amitabh bachan in Sholay.

Its all about availability of aircrafts at the right time in a operational war scenario. If there is no plan of attack or the attack plans can be countered with foresight all those 22 squadrons are going to be just sitting in the airfield.

 

[sayareakd]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

I think whole world would love to see India defeating China in case of war. So we may get material support from them.

 

[anoop_mig25]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

I think whole world would love to see India defeating China in case of war. So we may get material support from them.

Well everybody wants but nobody would help .the first reaction of west leading in race would be america by banning us from getting any material related to defence in case of war with china

 

[p2prada]

Re: China can "throw" at least 21 fighter squadrons against India, fro

In 2003 Iraq War, 42000 sorties in the first 3 weeks, that was 1600 per day, the highest sorties for one day reached over 2000;

According to reports, India achieved 400 sorties per day in this 20 days long game, which has already reached a quater of US airforce (proved) launching capabilities.

42000 sorties, but with how many aircraft?

For all you know, in terms of ops tempo, we may have exceeded even the US, with more air time and more sorties.

Also, most of our fleet is composed of fighters while US includes all those heavy bombers.

NATO would also add to that figure in a big way.