China - Can destroy US targets from China with a New Gen ICBM

[LETHALFORCE]

All were originally 3 warheads but have now been reduced to one
All Tridents are MIRV with 10 warheads. US is moving away
from land based ICBS to Prompt/global strike weapons and use of bombers.


LGM-30 Minuteman III ICBM - United States Nuclear Forces

LGM-30 Minuteman III

Five hundred Minuteman III missiles are deployed at four bases in the north- central United States: Minot AFB and Grand Forks AFB, North Dakota, Malmstrom AFB, Montana, and F. E. Warren AFB, Wyoming. Operational since 1968, the model "G" differs from the "F" in the third stage and reentry system. The third stage is larger and provides more thrust for a heavier payload. The payload, the Mark 12 reentry system, consists of a payload mounting platform, penetration aids, three reentry vehicles (RVs) and an aerodynamic shroud. The shroud protects the RVs during the early phases of flight. The mounting platform is also a "payload bus" and contains a restartable hypergolic rocket engine powered by hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide. With this configuration, the RVs can be independently aimed at different targets within the missile's overall target area or "footprint". This concept is known as Multiple Independently Targeted Reentry Vehicles (MIRV).

 

[spikey360]

China can destroy targets does not translate to China will be able to destroy targets in USA. The US has BMD cover and unless the Chinese have invented something like the Bulava or Topol-M, they are in for a big disappointment.
Furthermore as @sayareakd pointed out, one has to have the stomach for the massive counterattack that would be coming. The whole of civilised China would be wiped out in a matter of minutes after such a Chinese launch. China does not even possess a BMD.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

China can destroy targets does not translate to China will be able to destroy targets in USA. The US has BMD cover and unless the Chinese have invented something like the Bulava or Topol-M, they are in for a big disappointment.
Furthermore as @sayareakd pointed out, one has to have the stomach for the massive counterattack that would be coming. The whole of civilised China would be wiped out in a matter of minutes after such a Chinese launch. China does not even possess a BMD.

ICBM's/Nuclear weapons are last line weapons any country bragging about their capability
to use them is being immature and irresponsible(like Chinese ally our neighbor) and inviting their own destruction.

 

[sam919]

ICBM's/Nuclear weapons are last line weapons any country bragging about their capability
to use them is being immature and irresponsible(like Chinese ally our neighbor) and inviting their own destruction.

ICBM's with nuclear warhead is the last resort for the countries with extensive global interest, such US and India. We not only have to develop A5 which is capable of reaching any cities in China but also need to obtain the capability to reach any major cities worldwide by continuingly develop A6. Pak with nuclear power will eventually use this weapon for self-destruction.

 

[sam919]

China can destroy targets does not translate to China will be able to destroy targets in USA. The US has BMD cover and unless the Chinese have invented something like the Bulava or Topol-M, they are in for a big disappointment.
Furthermore as @sayareakd pointed out, one has to have the stomach for the massive counterattack that would be coming. The whole of civilised China would be wiped out in a matter of minutes after such a Chinese launch. China does not even possess a BMD.

As of today, the US poccess about 30 GMD missles, and let's say all 30GMD missles can successfully intercept Chinese ICBMs which is highly unlikely. The remaining approximately 45 Chinese ICBMs can still bring a severe damage to the US which could end its global dominance.
Instead of discussing the possible war between China and US, it's more important for us to think about India 's nuclear 's doctrine after poccessing the asset like A5. How we could establish a effective and economy -balanced nuclear power with max deterrence is extremely important for India 's national security next few decades.
We can learn the things happened between soviet union and US and the story that is still going on between China and US.We think as a global player and act as global player since we will replace China sooner or later,.

 

[Impluseblade]

To be honest, I also wish India can replace China and become the #2 soon. It is a hot seat especially if you don't agree with the globe police all the time.

As of today, the US poccess about 30 GMD missles, and let's say all 30GMD missles can successfully intercept Chinese ICBMs which is highly unlikely. The remaining approximately 45 Chinese ICBMs can still bring a severe damage to the US which could end its global dominance.
Instead of discussing the possible war between China and US, it's more important for us to think about India 's nuclear 's doctrine after poccessing the asset like A5. How we could establish a effective and economy -balanced nuclear power with max deterrence is extremely important for India 's national security next few decades.
We can learn the things happened between soviet union and US and the story that is still going on between China and US.We think as a global player and act as global player since we will replace China sooner or later,.

 

[Broccoli]

China can destroy targets does not translate to China will be able to destroy targets in USA. The US has BMD cover and unless the Chinese have invented something like the Bulava or Topol-M, they are in for a big disappointment.
Furthermore as @sayareakd pointed out, one has to have the stomach for the massive counterattack that would be coming. The whole of civilised China would be wiped out in a matter of minutes after such a Chinese launch. China does not even possess a BMD.

US does not currently have BMD system what is capable to intercept missiles what use "advanced penaids" like the DF-31 series. It's only good against Iranian MRBM's.

 

[Broccoli]

Here is small snippet from the 1996 NAIC report.

Summary
(U) China has designed an upper rocket stage called the ''Smart Dispenser" (SD) for a new space launch vehicle, derived from the CZ-2C, for the purpose of accurate and simultaneous deployment in orbit of two US-made Iridium mobile-telecommunications satellites. China currently has contracts for six such launches plus options for five more. A demonstration launch is currently planned.
(U) The technology built into the SD stage has many potential uses beyond the Iridium mission. The SD stage will contain its own solid- and liquid-propulsion systems, avionics (including a guidance system), and telemetry systems which will provide the Chinese with new on-orbit maneuvering capabilities not previously available with past Chinese space launch vehicles.
(S) An initial NAIC study determined that a minimally-modified SD stage could be used on a ballistic missile as a multiple-reentry vehicle post-boost vehicle (PBV) but it would have poor capability in terms of its crossrange and downrange footprint. However, the stage could be developed into a credible PBV with a few relatively minor changes. Thus, the SD stage can be considered a "technology bridge" to a viable PBV. The same could be said for an orbital rendezvous platform for future manned missions or a co-orbital anti-satellite payload.
© The new space launch vehicle that will use the SD stage for launching Iridium satellites is currently called the CZ-2C/SD. Although all current Chinese launch vehicles use related technologies and sub-systems, the Iridium CZ-2C/SD launch vehicle is effectively a new launch vehicle, significantly modified from the original CZ-2C. Major differences include upgraded first and second-stage engines, a stretched second stage, an additional third stage (the SD stage), modified equipment bay, and a new fairing. The same designator was possibly kept in order for China to claim the reliability statistics of the CZ-2C.
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(S) An assessment was done on the SD stage to determine its viability for use as low performance post-boost vehicle (PBV) on the Mod CSS-4 ICBM. This effort was to assess the PBV performance of the SD stage with a minimum number of modifications. There is no data, whatsoever, that the Chinese have embarked on the development of a PBV based on the SD stage. This is simply an initial determination of feasibility. To date, the Chinese have expressed an interest in developing a multiple reentry vehicle capability that a PBV would provide, however, no known testing of such a system has occurred .
(S) The overall conclusion of this initial feasibility study shows that a minimally modified SD stage could be used to deploy multiple reentry vehicles (RVs). However, when compared to U.S. or Russian PBVs, it would be one of the least capable in terms of its crossrange and downrange footprint. However, with a few relatively minor changes beyond the ones mentioned below, the SD could easily become a credible PBV. Thus, it is concluded that the SD stage can be considered a "technology bridge" to a viable PRV.
(S) The following assumptions were made to constrain the SD-stage modifications. First, only the minimum number of changes would be allowed to the stage to get the job done. The system would not be needed for range extension since the missiles which would most likely use this system, the Mod CSS-4 and the DF-41, would have sufficient range already. The system would deploy three 470-kg Dong Feng 31 (DF-31) RVs. The system would not contain penetration aids (penaids).

 

[Broccoli]

Those wiki figures are not in anyway realistic for a missile what is claimed to have 12,000km+ range and up to 10 MIRV's. If DF-41 is real then it will be a heavy missile like the Peacekeeper was.

Red is my estimation and probably closer to the truth.

Weight ~30,000 kilograms (66,000 lb) 80,300kg
Length ~15 metres (49 ft) 22 metres
Diameter 2.0 m (6 ft 7 in) 2,5 m

DF-41 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The Messiah]

We must have the same capability also. No place on this earth should be out of reach from us.

Chinese are doing what is in there national interest. Let the west dismantle its icbm's first before lecturing others.

Last i heard usa conducted a nuclear test after preaching for nuclear disarmament recently.

 

[Broccoli]

We must have the same capability also. No place on this earth should be out of reach from us.

Chinese are doing what is in there national interest. Let the west dismantle its icbm's first before lecturing others.

Last i heard usa conducted a nuclear test after preaching for nuclear disarmament recently.

Subcritical tests are not banned by any treaty.
LANL: National Security: Nuclear: Subcritical Testing

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I wonder what USA will do after this hostility by China?? After all it is 7,000 US nukes
against 30 Chinese nukes, what a dilemma.

 

[s002wjh]

I wonder what USA will do after this hostility by China?? After all it is 7,000 US nukes
against 30 Chinese nukes, what a dilemma.

remember it only take 1 bullet to kill a person. at certain point the #of nukes is just overkill. china maintain a min deterant policy, ill bet they done t studys on how many nuke needed to destroy a nation.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

So minimum deterrence will not be enough to destroy USA but USA sure can destroy China.

 

[Broccoli]

So minimum deterrence will not be enough to destroy USA but USA sure can destroy China.

FAS estimated that Chinese nuclear strike against US could kill up to 70 million people and destroy all the largest cities. You think that's not good enough deterrence?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

@Broccoli

Link please?

 

[Broccoli]

@Broccoli

Link please?

the nuclear information project: Chinese Nuclear Forces and U.S. Nuclear War Planning

 

[Broccoli]

Here is DF-31 (CSS-10 Mod 1). You can actually see the RV (white cone) in this missile.

DF-31A has a payload shroud (like in Minuteman III, etc) covering the RV.

I'm not expert in eyeballing, but to me it's impossible to fit that DF-31 RV inside the payload shroud seen in DF-31A. I'd assume that the DF-31 and it's 500-700kt warhead (NAIC reported that the RV weight is 470kg) is used to target Russia and India. DF-31A with it's smaller 300kt warhead (RV weight ???kg) is against US targets.

Overall, the yields since 1990 have suggested that two warheads have been in development: one in the 100-300 kt range, and one in the 600-700 kt range.

China's Nuclear Weapons

 

[average american]

Another problem of a premptive strike is that if the USA becamee aware of it the USA would launch its own premptive strike.

 

[Broccoli]

Another problem of a premptive strike is that if the USA becamee aware of it the USA would launch its own premptive strike.

There is no evidence that Chinese would be planning any sort of premtive strikes against anyone.