China blocked UN sanctions on 3 Pak-based terrorists: WikiLeaks

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    The traditional backstabber China blocked UN sanctions on 3 Pak-based terrorists: WikiLeaks

    Press Trust of India, Updated: December 05, 2010 22:34 IST

    Washington: China, at the apparent request of Pakistan, put a "technical hold" on an Indian request to the UN Security Council to slap sanctions on three terrorists, says a secret State Department cable of December 2009 signed off by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    China in its capacity as the Permanent Member of the UN Security Council has the veto power and nothing can be approved by this 15-member high-powered body of the United Nations without the consent of Beijing.

    "On the international stage, Pakistan has sought to block the UNSCR 1267 listings of Pakistan-based or affiliated terrorists by requesting that China place holds on the nominations. China recently placed a technical hold on the designation of three Pakistan-based or affiliated terrorists nominated by India, although China did not prevent the most recent Pakistan-related US designation nomination in June," says the secret State Department cable, which primarily deals with the issue of terrorist financing.

    The United States, which has charged the Wikileaks of indulging in a criminal act by stealing and releasing these cables, has neither confirmed nor denied the authenticity of these documents.

    According to US officials, every cable coming out of the Foggy Bottom headquarters of the State Department is signed off by the Secretary of State as a matter of routine, and this should not interpreted as a personal statement of Clinton; but as an official direction from the State Department to its posts overseas.

    However, this is for the first time it has come in the public domain courtesy WikiLeaks that China has been blocking Indian efforts to designate certain Pakistan-based terrorist outfits at the United Nations.

    Officials say that both India and the US have been regularly raising this issue with Chinese officials, and have been successful some of the times, but not always, officials point out.

    This particular cable further confirms ISI's continued links with terrorists outfits.

    "Pakistan's intermittent support to terrorist groups and militant organizations threatens to undermine regional security and endanger US national security objectives in Afghanistan and Pakistan," the cable says.

    "Although Pakistani senior officials have publicly disavowed support for these groups, some officials from the Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate continue to maintain ties with a wide array of extremist organizations, in particular Taliban, LeT and other extremist organizations," it says.

    "These extremist organizations continue to find refuge in Pakistan and exploit Pakistan's extensive network of charities, NGOs and madrassas. This network of social service institutions readily provides extremist organizations with recruits, funding and infrastructure for planning new attacks," says the US cables.

    In the talking points for meetings with Pakistani leadership, the State Department asked its officials to take up with the Pakistani counterparts about their failure to implement the UNSC resolutions against terrorists outfits, in particular those against India and those involved in the Mumbai terrorist attacks.

    "We stress your government's obligation, under UNSCR 1267, and successor resolutions to strictly enforce existing sanctions against the 142 Taliban, LeT leader Hafiz Saeed, LeT/JUD, al Rashid Trust, al Akhtar Trust and other individuals and entities on the UN 1267 Consolidated List," the cable says.

    "We urge your government to support the international community's efforts to combat terrorist financing. Your overnment's views of UNSCR 1267 listing requests for LeT and other Pakistan-based terrorist groups should be made on the merits of the requests and not linked to politics, including what country made the nomination or which countries are referenced in the public statements of the cases," it said.

    "We urge your government to comply with UN and domestic legal obligations to enforce sanctions on the
    Pakistan-based, UN-proscribed NGOs al Rashid Trust and al Akhtar Trust, and all successor organizations that continue to funnel money and provide other forms of support to the Taliban and LeT," it said.

    "We emphasize that social services provided by NGO extremist organizations, such as Jamaat-ud Dawa challenge the legitimacy of your government to provide for its people. This includes relief efforts in the Internally Displaced Person camps of the Northwest Frontier Provinces by the new LeT/JUD charity Falah-e Insaniyat Foundation," it said.

    "We urge your Government in the strongest possible terms to take action against the Haqqani network, which is funneling weapons and fighters across the border to fight US and Coalition Forces in Afghanistan. This network, led by Sirajuddin Haqqani who was listed by the UN under UNSCR 1267,
    funds its activities through illicit activities, including kidnapping, extortion, bank robbery, narcotics, smuggling, and fraud," the cable said.

    "We urge your Government to replace the anti-money laundering decree recently promulgated by your Executive Branch with legislation fully consistent with the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) Recommendations and to ensure that the current decree can stand in court. The FATF Forty Plus Nine Recommendations are international standards, which Pakistan, by virtue of its membership in the Asia-Pacific Group, committed to," the cable said.

    "Emphasize that Pakistan's support for disrupting financing to the Taliban and LeT obligatory pursuant to their obligations under UNSCR 1267 and successor resolutions, and is critical to achieving stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan," it said.
     
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  3. Ray

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    China has no option but to play ball with Pakistan.

    It requires to fight India to the last Pakistani and then since Pakistan is the womb of fundamentalist terrorism and there are enough of Uighur anti Chinese revolutionaries/ terrorists in Pakistan, China requires to keep Pakistan in good humour lest Pakistan releases these chaps on the Hans in East Turmenistan aka Xinjiang!
     
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    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    The problem here is what we can do about it?
    India has now adopted such a mentality that even after attacks like 26/11 we are happy to do cowardly diplomacy with a view that we be able to gain moral high grounds. But the reality is that to whom so ever we are trying to demonstrate over morality (USA) is sleeping naked with Pakistan and China. Indians are easy to deceive.

    May we are preparing to give fitting answer to these anti India regimes those who are openly endorsing terrorism against us. But till today all seems more and more complex, distant and hopeless to me.
    There will never be a right opportunity if we kept behaving like that. At least we should draw some firm line to use them as leverage to make some deals. Who says only cunning friendship can act as leverage not the animosity in open air.
     
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    Outrageous.

    Kick the chinks where it hurts. Start supporting uighurs and let them too have the taste of terrorism. Then they wud know what india goes through.
     
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    The only thing that India can do is tighten it's belts, monitor the borders closely, beef up intelligence and internal security. Along with this we need to encircle China like it is doing to us. All it's neighbors are wary of it's expansionist designs, we have to get together and show a firm face. China recognises strength of the stick and not of the words.
     
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    The govt is doing a lot of positive things in countering China on the political/diplomatic side, as the Chinese threat becomes more visible to the west all these efforts done by govt will start bearing fruit. China has choose to make enemies with us we did not start this they started it with Tibet and 1962 and stealing the waters of the Brahmaputra today,.this is just a continuation, but relying on Pakistan to be a lapdog is a failing policy, we already have many military exercises and pacts where China is the focus many things are being done but we are not taking the cheap pussyfoot route like China.
     
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    Nothing would make me happier than if what you said really happened. Thus, I agree with you on principle.

    The only concern is that we should not end up creating a Frankenstein. We have seen many such examples, such as, but not limited to, LTTE, Taliban, Bhindranwale etc.
     
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    China is following the same short sighted policy that the US followed in the eighties for short term gains. China is doing this so that it pins India down. But like what the US is facing with its former proteges, China too will face the music in the future. As it is China is worried about AQ making Xinjinag the next "Jihad" venue and is making sure Pak keeps such people on its side of the border. But once these terrorists have no "work" in the future, they will turn their attention towards their "brothers" in Xinjiang. That is when these short sighted policies of China will backfire. One super power is already facing the music, the rising super power too will in the future.
     
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    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    Yusuf i like your optimism, you always come with positive words and hope. But the question is not what someone else will do in future but the question is what we are doing right now.

    After 1984 (from the times of Rajiv Ghandi) this nation has done some very deleterious damage to itself. The kind of politics we have mastered since then has created a divide in the very fabric of our integrity in many short intervals. Also this has forced us to inculcate back burner/prolonging insurgencies syndrome. I wonder if any of the politicians we elect understand the core value of this nation's constitution or they have made such manual they will refer to; above their selfish agenda when the nation is/will be in danger.

    You will say that i am talking about the internal security and hopeless decision making! You know what; it reflects outside.
    The losers are now more united against us in open. That was the same Pakistan who begged a compromise in 1971 now bluffing us about MND and testing our water with dedicated terrorist groups without a fear of backlash. What the fucjk they do not even scare of us now? The bunch of 3rd grade pyjama brand Pakistanis are more vocal than ever before. What an irony we cannot tell them they are going to lose Baluchistan because we have made a goody-goody picture with permanent markers we cannot erase. Same is to do with China who was running back with tails in legs, when we mounted a second wave of attack in 1962.

    We have no cards to play but the same boring goody-goody picture (we are contesting to preserve with Pakistani and Chinese together) the world will not care to see in near future when the enemy will be able to mask itself during the bargain of their own with them.

    I am sorry to say that the think tanks like you and many more are thinking in a vacuum of their own have nothing to offer as an encouraging but realistic insight. The same is to do with the gestures of policies and policy makers; not helping an ordinary Indian to believe in them.

    We have boasted enough about our capabilities (just lost an Ayni air base) or under estimated enough our brute force we still have to punish them. Our internal politics and foreign policy is synonymous, still the same; carrying the theatrical idiocy of Rajiv Gandhi. I would rather die to see issued resolved once for all to what we have been groomed to expect and accept, than living in rich but numb nation who can wait for its enemies to increase the nuisance manifolds.

    It’s all about and will be about what we are going to do irrespective of what world is going to say. You do have to do what you have to do without the consent of another nation and trust the people, your own people to be the part of your suffering or victories. We have elected them to make difficult decisions not to rule us by the term, without incidents.

    The enemy wants us to listen and see what they are doing against us, but are happy to see we are doing nothing for the same.

    Are we a functionally blind and deaf as a nation or we are so engaged for selfish strives within that the ants have now developed their wings?
    Or
    We are not ready yet because we the people do not trust our forces or political institutes or vice a verse or we have conveniently learnt to blame each other?
     
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    HR, no i am not just an optimist but a realist and also a reader of geo politics. China is going for short term gains which will surely hound it in the future. And no i have not even made any comment about what our reply should be on this. Though in other threads i have said that the only way to put China into a corner is going overtly supportive of the Tibetan cause. Recognize them as a nation and give all Tibetans in India a Tibet visa.

    But yes the politicians are more self serving than bothered about the nation and its future and security. The babus who handle all policy matters are also nothing but leaches. Its more about apathy towards any problem that is the problem. I guess they need to be woken from their slumber. I wish the Chinese attack India in the near future which will one, wake up the polity and two will also let the chinese know that this is not 62 as i am more than sure that our forces with all their shortcomings will more than be able to match the chinese.

    But the chinese too seem to know about this and not directly attacking India but using its proxy and for that we need to give a direct answer to Pak. Call their nuke bluff and take them to the cleaners.
     

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