China authorities 'got $5 trillion' by selling peasant's land

[huaxia rox]

Every one knows this is robbery in plain day light and people will go to court and get justice if the authrities divert the acquired land to a profit oriented venture instead of the stated reason of public good in case of Expressway.

Bhatta parsual won't be a closed case with no-justice board.It is being hotly contested. And the courts have the power to award a higher compensation . What about China? Recently a public referendum was taken and bowing to the majority vote of affected people , the Ambani led Reliance's SEZ project nin maharstra was cancelled .

The whole SEZ gravy train has been stopped mid way after rightly seeing through the intention of decelopers is not to industrialize but to loot the land from the farmers.Recently a high coutr verdict in Tamil Nadu stayed the further acquistion by state govt till it finshes devloping all the land it has already taken forcibily from the peasants. And guide line values were increased ten fold so as to compensate the farmer according to market rates.

Where are those checks and balances in a nation afarid of Face book and Google?

since you have reedited your post i am comentting again here......

your poor villiages died because your cops want them to ---- off from their lands....whats the compansation for life???

'"In many cases, the deals displace local farmers who already occupy and farm the land, but who frequently lack formal land rights or access to legal institutions to defend these rights, http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-06-27/india/32440105_1_land-deals-land-grabbers-agricultural-land" '

what rights are you talking about?? your govt has made coruption illegal.....caste system abondaned.....muslims have normal life.....but whats going on??? to send your Ranvir Sena guys to slaughter all the Dalits???in the name of wiping out Naxalites??? you do know many poor guys going maoist just because their lands were grabbed and their families were killed and goi just cant provide them with things that can make them survive like a mankind???

but i clearly know you wont understand that...so long as you can afford the internet you have real little chance coming from lower caste......

 

[huaxia rox]

In China, if you lose land, you just lose land.

No appeals.

In India, if you lose land, you appeal and even organise a 'dharna' nd get your way even against powerful people!

Singur!

1 no appeals??according to what law???

2 if india is so great why this happens???China's progress provokes border envy in India - FT.com


...impoverished local people in India's northeast were asking themselves: "What is the mistake we have made by being Indians [rather than Chinese]?" He also warned of the consequences of families divided by the colonial era border "beginning to hear stories about the kind of progress happening on the other [Chinese] side"...

 

[ice berg]

Ask any economist about the massive scope for corruption in these hush-hush deals, in the absence of free market forces. The house buyers are bill checkers alright , but the CCP officials are the ones who make the real money.

But in india it can not happen, because free market forces are operating and stamp duty is collected in a fair and transparent manner as per the guide line value and latest sale value in the area.Under reportage of the sale proceeds are rampant, but th money goes directly to land owner not some CCP officials. The peasant gets his fair share. No CCP official type robbers are there in this process.

urbanization is happening across the country in all the top 80 cities in a gradual manner with land owners getting the money and house buyers paying the money with no intermediate brokers like the CCP official walking away with the moolah.

I think the word you looking for is not free market force, but rule of law.

And more importantly the difference between written law and enforcement. There is no doubt that those peasents are entitled to compensations according to the law. But the question is how strictly is the law enforced?

 

[Ray]

1 no appeals??according to what law???

2 if india is so great why this happens???China's progress provokes border envy in India - FT.com


...impoverished local people in India's northeast were asking themselves: "What is the mistake we have made by being Indians [rather than Chinese]?" He also warned of the consequences of families divided by the colonial era border "beginning to hear stories about the kind of progress happening on the other [Chinese] side"...

I can the same of the Chinese rule in in Tibet where the Tibetans are being Hanified and rebelling!

Can you deny it?

Any rebellion in Arunachal?

No rebellion in Tibet?

Americans are good at serving their national interest.

Eat more McDonalds and wear western clothes!

And become their running dogs!

 

[huaxia rox]

I can the same of the Chinese rule in in Tibet where the Tibetans are being Hanified and rebelling!

Can you deny it?

Any rebellion in Arunachal?

No rebellion in Tibet?

Americans are good at serving their national interest.

Eat more McDonalds and wear western clothes!

And become their running dogs!

New insurgent outfit in Arunachal Pradesh

your lack of knowledge cant entertain us any more.....we are long enough to be here mr ray......

by the way some tibetans wanting to go independent is not due to economical reasons......they just want to join hh.....even in india they dont consider themselves indians or hindus.....and they quite look down the locals..........as an indian you should have known that better than me shouldnt you??

 

[Virendra]

even in india they dont consider themselves indians or hindus.....and they quite look down the locals..........as an indian you should have known that better than me shouldnt you??

Can you stop prophesizing and prove your assertion here?
If not proven, I will ensure to see that the consequence of spreading lies is more than just deleting that fraudulent post.

 

[huaxia rox]

Can you stop prophesizing and prove your assertion here?
If not proven, I will ensure to see that the consequence of spreading lies is more than just deleting that fraudulent post.

...but Anil's implication is plain, that the Tibetans see themselves as separate and better...
Unease in Dharamsala | Business Standard


really your call to delete the post or admit the truth.......

 

[tramp]

it is because CCP manage those land well that the land sold is worth 5 trillion USD...


if those land were managed by Indian government or Africa countries, those land may be worth only 500 billion USD or 50 billion USD

Beside, the buyer of those land may pay 5 trillion USD to CCP, but those land may bring them 50 trillion USD in the future...so,the buyer and CCP are both winners....

only those governments who can not manage land are losers,such as the governments in Africa and India

So is CCP a land shark grabbing poor peasants' land and making a neat profit without passing it on to the farmers?

 

[huaxia rox]

Americans are good at serving their national interest.

Eat more McDonalds and wear western clothes!

And become their running dogs!

running dogs of what?do you see the us form some stupid american commonwealth and got all the slave dogs countries around??? or do you see chinese adopt american language as offical language to lick their boots???

 

[Daredevil]

An example of how the peasants are compensated and how they are powerless both legally and physically to stop the land grabbing

Guan and other villagers near Baigou are angry at the meager compensation for the loss of their land, mostly small plots of maize and wheat of less than an acre per household. The government offers $990 per 0.16 acres, yet the same land is then sold and resold for more than 100 times that amount, he alleges. "Our village can only be harmonious if the land issue is resolved," says Guan, who participates in nightly patrols to watch for strangers entering Xuchang.

Ex-PM of China Wen agrees

Wen publicly acknowledged the "resentment among the masses" over the land seizures in a speech March 5 and promised to punish "corrupt officials" who are taking bribes from developers for the sale of land-use rights.

"As long as there is no ultimate legal protection for citizens, there's no way to constrain the government from grabbing the land. The consequences will grow worse and worse as the stakes become higher and higher," he warns.

Chinese peasants feel bullied over land grabs - USATODAY.com

 

[Virendra]

...but Anil's implication is plain, that the Tibetans see themselves as separate and better...
Unease in Dharamsala | Business Standard
really your call to delete the post or admit the truth.......

You want to extrapolate a drunk Tibetan's rant as a community's approach? No one is so foolish here.
That too isn't said, but is interpreted from a statement.
We've accepted sustantial number of refugees to live side by side with locals and so sparks would fly sometimes.
People fight, as neighbors as colonies all the time.
Thankfully, we don't commit genocidal atrocities on our own people and beat them away to seek refuge out of the country at others.
Thankfully, we don't suppress the news of wrong doing taking place anywhere. It shows and that is why it gets controlled and resolved as well.
It doesn't balloon into a Tianenmen Square.
Pointing a finger at someone leads to four pointing back at you.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[badguy2000]

Every one knows this is robbery in plain day light and people will go to court and get justice if the authrities divert the acquired land to a profit oriented venture instead of the stated reason of public good in case of Expressway.

Bhatta parsual won't be a closed case with no-justice board.It is being hotly contested. And the courts have the power to award a higher compensation . What about China? Recently a public referendum was taken and bowing to the majority vote of affected people , the Ambani led Reliance's SEZ project nin maharstra was cancelled .

The whole SEZ gravy train has been stopped mid way after rightly seeing through the intention of decelopers is not to industrialize but to loot the land from the farmers.Recently a high coutr verdict in Tamil Nadu stayed the further acquistion by state govt till it finshes devloping all the land it has already taken forcibily from the peasants. And guide line values were increased ten fold so as to compensate the farmer according to market rates.

Where are those checks and balances in a nation afarid of Face book and Google?

guy, forget it! we all know how "effective " and "fair india's The judicial system is ,when the murder of bombay 11.26 and rapiest enjoy their cozy life in india...


CHinese officials may accept bribery,but they will make the job well done after their pocket is filled with buckes.


however, indian officials will leave nothing done,even if their pocket is filled with bucks.

 

[drkrn]

BEIJING: Chinese authorities have earned almost $5 trillion in profit by selling land obtained from farmers to developers over the years, a top economist said according to state media.

As the country undergoes a huge urbanisation process rural land confiscations have led to numerous protests, worrying the ruling Communist Party, which sees corruption and social unrest as threats to its power.

By law, officials may provide compensation worth up to 30 times the value of the land's output, but in practice they have skimped on payments or foregone them altogether -- then sold the land to developers at much higher rates.

Wu Jinglian, an economist at the Development Research Centre of the State Council, China's cabinet, said: "Some (government) agencies have earned around 30 trillion yuan, by conservative estimates, from land price spreads in the urbanisation campaign over the past decades."

The 30 trillion yuan figure equates to $4.8 trillion at current exchange rates.

Wu, a former adviser to Zhu Rongji, premier in 1998-2003, made the remarks at an economic forum at the weekend, the official Xinhua news agency said.

China authorities 'got $5 trillion' from land: Economist - The Economic Times

in china no one owns nothing,everything is of the government,for the government,by the government

well can some one please clarify whether ccp officials made 5trillion or govt made 5trillion

 

[huaxia rox]

You want to extrapolate a drunk Tibetan's rant as a community's approach? No one is so foolish here.
That too isn't said, but is interpreted from a statement.
We've accepted sustantial number of refugees to live side by side with locals and so sparks would fly sometimes.
People fight, as neighbors as colonies all the time.
Thankfully, we don't commit genocidal atrocities on our own people and beat them away to seek refuge out of the country at others.
Thankfully, we don't suppress the news of wrong doing taking place anywhere. It shows and that is why it gets controlled and resolved as well.
It doesn't balloon into a Tianenmen Square.
Pointing a finger at someone leads to four pointing back at you.

Regards,
Virendra

1 have you read it thorougly? ...They think they own the place...They don't mix with us Unease in Dharamsala | Business Standard

if these tibetans really like your hindus why they behavior that way??? ...but Anil's implication is plain, that the Tibetans see themselves as separate and better..........a sober man felt challenged by some tibetan separists and you think its ok..........how kind......if that tibetan separist is not drunken the indian most likely got ass kicked..........

2 and how you treat tibetans??like god???http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/hate-campaign-shatters-calm-of-dalai-lama-1435112.html

3 talking about religion......well at least we didnt destory the potala palace like golden temple.....and prc never allows too many refugees..........why should they be allowed??? the money should be taken to feed chinese 1st......we are not rich country so cant help too much.........otherwise only the god knows how many poor people fightting goi in your north east would come to prc........and those envying our developments China's progress provokes border envy in India - FT.com

 

[ice berg]

You want to extrapolate a drunk Tibetan's rant as a community's approach? No one is so foolish here.
That too isn't said, but is interpreted from a statement.
We've accepted sustantial number of refugees to live side by side with locals and so sparks would fly sometimes.
People fight, as neighbors as colonies all the time.
Thankfully, we don't commit genocidal atrocities on our own people and beat them away to seek refuge out of the country at others.
Thankfully, we don't suppress the news of wrong doing taking place anywhere. It shows and that is why it gets controlled and resolved as well.
It doesn't balloon into a Tianenmen Square.
Pointing a finger at someone leads to four pointing back at you.

Regards,
Virendra

Now that is a cheap shot. A genocide atrocities? That is an oxymoron. Consider Chinas 1,3 billion population.
And no indians take refuges because of ethnic clashes?
Thousands flee violence-hit Indian cities - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
Fearing a backlash over violence against Muslims in Assam state and neighbouring Myanmar, Indians flee southern cities.

What about this:
The mass graves of Kashmir | World news | The Guardian
The mass graves of KashmirFor 22 years this contested region has endured a regime of torture and disappeared civilians. Now a local laywer is discovering their unmarked graves and challenging India's abuses

And indian censorship? dont get me started:

Criticism mounts over India censorship - FT.com

India's government is facing fierce criticism from privacy groups, political opponents and irate internet users accusing it of an excessive and poorly targeted censorship drive as it seeks to contain social alarm triggered by communal unrest.

The religious clashes in India has left far more dead people than Tiananmeng.

Pointing a finger at someone leads to four pointing back at you.
Indeed, maybe you should heed your own advice.

 

[Virendra]

1 have you read it thorougly? ...They think they own the place...They don't mix with us Unease in Dharamsala | Business Standard

if these tibetans really like your hindus why they behavior that way??? ...but Anil's implication is plain, that the Tibetans see themselves as separate and better..........a sober man felt challenged by some tibetan separists and you think its ok..........how kind......if that tibetan separist is not drunken the indian most likely got ass kicked..........

2 and how you treat tibetans??like god???Hate campaign shatters calm of Dalai Lama - World - News - The Independent

3 talking about religion......well at least we didnt destory the potala palace like golden temple.....and prc never allows too many refugees..........why should they be allowed??? the money should be taken to feed chinese 1st......we are not rich country so cant help too much.........otherwise only the god knows how many poor people fightting goi in your north east would come to prc........and those envying our developments China's progress provokes border envy in India - FT.com

I've read it quite thoroughly and read your twist as well. I don't deny some cultural friction if refugees from other areas settle at a new place.
It doesn't mean one community hates the other or vice versa.
One cannot form community level perspectives from a drunkard's blurt and a reporter's interpretation of someone's statement.
Like I said before it is wrong generalization.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[mikhail]

1 have you read it thorougly? ...They think they own the place...They don't mix with us Unease in Dharamsala | Business Standard

if these tibetans really like your hindus why they behavior that way??? ...but Anil's implication is plain, that the Tibetans see themselves as separate and better..........a sober man felt challenged by some tibetan separists and you think its ok..........how kind......if that tibetan separist is not drunken the indian most likely got ass kicked..........

2 and how you treat tibetans??like god???Hate campaign shatters calm of Dalai Lama - World - News - The Independent

3 talking about religion......well at least we didnt destory the potala palace like golden temple.....and prc never allows too many refugees..........why should they be allowed??? the money should be taken to feed chinese 1st......we are not rich country so cant help too much.........otherwise only the god knows how many poor people fightting goi in your north east would come to prc........and those envying our developments China's progress provokes border envy in India - FT.com

your CCP is already helping scores of our separatist organizations in the NE India!and nobody in India is jealous of china because we know that our India is marching on the right path!have you ever heard of that hare and tortoise story from the Aesop fable,the hare having outran the tortoise thought that it had won the race and became casual,but on the other hand the tortoise continued its slow but steady steps towards the finishing line and ultimately won the race!the same analogy applies to the current economic condition of china and India!you may have outran us in the shorter run but its India which is going to win the race at the end of the day.Period:cool2:!

 

[mikhail]

Now that is a cheap shot. A genocide atrocities? That is an oxymoron. Consider Chinas 1,3 billion population.
And no indians take refuges because of ethnic clashes?
Thousands flee violence-hit Indian cities - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
Fearing a backlash over violence against Muslims in Assam state and neighbouring Myanmar, Indians flee southern cities.

What about this:
The mass graves of Kashmir | World news | The Guardian
The mass graves of KashmirFor 22 years this contested region has endured a regime of torture and disappeared civilians. Now a local laywer is discovering their unmarked graves and challenging India's abuses

And indian censorship? dont get me started:

Criticism mounts over India censorship - FT.com

India's government is facing fierce criticism from privacy groups, political opponents and irate internet users accusing it of an excessive and poorly targeted censorship drive as it seeks to contain social alarm triggered by communal unrest.

The religious clashes in India has left far more dead people than Tiananmeng.

Pointing a finger at someone leads to four pointing back at you.
Indeed, maybe you should heed your own advice.

do i need to remind you about the Tianmein Square massacre by the PLA in front of the entire world in '89 or the tibetian ethnic cleansing in the '50s!heck your own govt. duped its farmers and acquired their land and sold those lands to real estate companies and in the process earned $ billions!

 

[badguy2000]

do i need to remind you about the Tianmein Square massacre by the PLA in front of the entire world in '89 or the tibetian ethnic cleansing in the '50s!heck your own govt. duped its farmers and acquired their land and sold those lands to real estate companies and in the process earned $ billions!

well, CHinese farmers can get compensation more than you can imagine ,usually.

they live a much better life than you think....


so, pls save you cheap pathic and show them to your poor felllow indians in slum.....
those your fellow indians are the one reallly in need.....

 

[mikhail]

well, CHinese farmers can get compensation more than you can imagine ,usually.

they live a much better life than you think....


so, pls save you cheap pathic and show them to your poor felllow indians in slum.....
those your fellow indians are the one reallly in need.....

most of the chini farmers are dirt poor and illiterate in general and your CCP has systematically exploited them for its own vested interest.the farmers of India might be poor but at least they are not being exploited by our Govt. as ours is a democracy and the Govt. is liable to the common people for literally everything.on the other hand i feel pity for all those poor chini farmers who were/are being robbed of their land by the CCP goons!